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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 24, 2022 14:51:33 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2022 15:35:55 GMT -5
Hope Havahd can survive competition vs a league mate with (shudder) scholarships. Come to think about it, Colgate must give hockey scholarships and they still don't do that well in their league.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 24, 2022 16:07:01 GMT -5
Hope Havahd can survive competition vs a league mate with (shudder) scholarships. Come to think about it, Colgate must give hockey scholarships and they still don't do that well in their league. Colgate isn't a D-3 program and last appeared in the NCAA Tournament in 2014. Holy Cross is a D-1 program (last appeared in the NCAA tournament in 2006) that plays in the same league as RIT who last appeared in the NCAA Tournament 2016 with a Frozen Four appearance in 2010. It is going to get much more difficult for HC to compete with the teams in their conference.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 24, 2022 17:20:48 GMT -5
With all the griping regarding facilities, guess HC should build a 4,500 chairback seat facility that can accommodate game day operations for basketball and hockey.
Guess the 300 million upgrade to student housing with a new student village should be put on hold for hockey. 🙄🤣
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2022 18:18:34 GMT -5
Hope Havahd can survive competition vs a league mate with (shudder) scholarships. Come to think about it, Colgate must give hockey scholarships and they still don't do that well in their league. Colgate isn't a D-3 program and last appeared in the NCAA Tournament in 2014. Holy Cross is a D-1 program (last appeared in the NCAA tournament in 2006) that plays in the same league as RIT who last appeared in the NCAA Tournament 2016 with a Frozen Four appearance in 2010. It is going to get much more difficult for HC to compete with the teams in their conference. I was referring to Union who plays in the same league with Colgate and Harvard. They had to compete before this without scholarships and without being Ivy League and Colgate had to compete with scholarships but without being Ivy League. I always thought of Colgate as a strong hockey school but looked at their records and attendance a few years ago and realized they really aren't. Higher level than HC but not grabbing the brass ring. Regarding HC competing, the AHA is a Christmas present for the Crusaders. To turn "New York, New York" around, if you can't make it there you can't make it anywhere. I think a good coach like Riga can win a little more followed by recruit a little better, followed by win a little more followed by recruit a little better and gradually ramp up the program. I don't see an easy fix like jumping to Hockey East, although it would be a tough invite to turn down. There is a certain integrity to playing in a league you fit in competitively that gives a school a chance to hire a little more skillfully, recruit a little smarter, coach a little better, fundraise with a little more school spirit, etc., than the competition and move up the standings that way instead of trying to leapfrog better teams in your league to get into a higher ranked league. It's like the dog chasing the tractor trailer. What's he going to do when he catches it?
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 24, 2022 18:22:11 GMT -5
Colgate isn't a D-3 program and last appeared in the NCAA Tournament in 2014. Holy Cross is a D-1 program (last appeared in the NCAA tournament in 2006) that plays in the same league as RIT who last appeared in the NCAA Tournament 2016 with a Frozen Four appearance in 2010. It is going to get much more difficult for HC to compete with the teams in their conference. I was referring to Union who plays in the same league with Colgate and Harvard. They had to compete before this without scholarships and without being Ivy League and Colgate had to compete with scholarships but without being Ivy League. I always thought of Colgate as a strong hockey school but looked at their records and attendance a few years ago and realized they really aren't. Higher level than HC but not grabbing the brass ring. Union did win a national championship in 2014 without scholarships and last appeared in the NCAA Tourney in 2017. The coach is currently on leave though dailygazette.com/2022/01/20/union-mens-hockey-head-coach-bennett-placed-on-paid-administrative-leave/
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2022 18:33:09 GMT -5
I was referring to Union who plays in the same league with Colgate and Harvard. They had to compete before this without scholarships and without being Ivy League and Colgate had to compete with scholarships but without being Ivy League. I always thought of Colgate as a strong hockey school but looked at their records and attendance a few years ago and realized they really aren't. Higher level than HC but not grabbing the brass ring. Union did win a national championship in 2014 without scholarships and last appeared in the NCAA Tourney in 2017. The coach is currently on leave though dailygazette.com/2022/01/20/union-mens-hockey-head-coach-bennett-placed-on-paid-administrative-leave/I'm guessing Union has very generous need based financial aid like the Ivies.
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Post by aaa8316 on Jan 26, 2022 18:29:01 GMT -5
I'm guessing Union has very generous need based financial aid like the Ivies. As does/did Holy Cross before Men's Hockey was moved to athletic scholarships in the late 2000's. This was also a time that saw two AHA Championships won, and the storied 2006 run in the NCAA's. Men's Hockey is now a full 18 scholarship allotted program. My point: money (scholarships, new facilities, salaries, etc) doesn't automatically solve problems.
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Post by beachbound on Jan 26, 2022 23:14:08 GMT -5
I'm guessing Union has very generous need based financial aid like the Ivies. As does/did Holy Cross before Men's Hockey was moved to athletic scholarships in the late 2000's. This was also a time that saw two AHA Championships won, and the storied 2006 run in the NCAA's. Men's Hockey is now a full 18 scholarship allotted program. My point: money (scholarships, new facilities, salaries, etc) doesn't automatically solve problems. AHA is much different than 2006. A lot of investment in programs since that time plus 3 new teams (not including RMU). But agree, money does not automatically solve problems but it sure does help. I read that the retiring AD at PC, Bob Driscoll, was raising over $7mm in donations a year from alums w/o a football program. Add another to do to Kit’s list . . . dramatically improve athletic fund raising at HC.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 27, 2022 2:00:55 GMT -5
As does/did Holy Cross before Men's Hockey was moved to athletic scholarships in the late 2000's. This was also a time that saw two AHA Championships won, and the storied 2006 run in the NCAA's. Men's Hockey is now a full 18 scholarship allotted program. My point: money (scholarships, new facilities, salaries, etc) doesn't automatically solve problems. AHA is much different than 2006. A lot of investment in programs since that time plus 3 new teams (not including RMU). But agree, money does not automatically solve problems but it sure does help. I read that the retiring AD at PC, Bob Driscoll, was raising over $7mm in donations a year from alums w/o a football program. Add another to do to Kit’s list . . . dramatically improve athletic fund raising at HC. And the new AD at PC was the guy behind that fundraising...
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