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Post by sader1970 on Feb 9, 2022 11:35:31 GMT -5
Thanks, Midwest! I asked my doctor what she thinks about Prevagen and she assured me it’s quackery but it distresses me that my past sharp memory is not even close to what it was.
I’m told my memory is just normal deterioratation with age but I’m not old!! Or maybe I am and just forgot!🤪
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Post by mm67 on Feb 9, 2022 11:40:33 GMT -5
It's interesting to read the soothsayers make definitive statements about what is in Coach Chesney's mind. We only know what the coach has stated and nothing more. As was commented by JFK'67, Coach Chesney had previously established the predicate four years ago by pointing to the importance of Worcester to his family in taking the HC job. The coach stated Worcester has become home for his family. Why not take the coach at his word? Another Notre Dame example: Brian Kelly left for LSU a couple weeks later. Again, nothing against Chesney, but he’s trying to sell the program and himself with all of these comments. That’s his job. What is he supposed to say? “I hate Worcester and would rather be back home in Pennsylvania, but Assumption and Holy Cross wanted me as their football coach, so I guess I’ll stay here for a little while longer.” He has backed his words up in that he does care about Worcester, but the idea that he’s some type of martyr who will halt his career trajectory to remain in Worcester is a pure purple kool-air take. PVR, ADKH, Holy Cross, and Worcester should be enough to keep him from going to a Maine or UMASS dumpster fire for his next job, but as a hypothetical, do you think he would turn down the Villanova job to stay in Worcester? I say no way, Jose (and he shouldn’t, given the handcuffs the pL puts on its programs). Sir, No disrespect to you, my brother HC alum. But, there are a lot of assumptions you have made about Coach Chesney and your fellow alums.For instance, no-one has typecast Coach Chesney as a martyr. The Villanova job is pure conjecture on your part. FWIW, IMO, the CAA including our Catholic brethren Villanova is an anonymous conference in the anonymous FCS. It has almost no national footprint.. I hope we can agree to disagree and still maintain respectful, cordial ties. GoCrossGo
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Post by joe on Feb 9, 2022 11:50:12 GMT -5
This is the best possible situation imaginable for HC football. Yes, nothing in life is guaranteed but there is absolutely nothing about this news, the comments, or the reporting of both that can be construed in any way, shape or form, as anything less than 100% perfection. Optics, message, and execution all spot on.
I agree with poster above - the goal is a national championship for Holy Cross, which does not run through the Ivy League, and a move to the CAA or some horsecrap FBS school would simply be way too lateral. Chesney clearly has what he wants and needs at HC and we should for once be grateful to the school and the new leadership for not screwing this one up.
Next step is to get some lipstick for Fitton Field so we’re ready to host the run up games to FCS championship. Gotta keep the grass green in the cold.
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 9, 2022 11:56:54 GMT -5
I find this comical.
People on this board were complaining about an extension and more pay for Chesney and his coaches.
We get the news yesterday and now we are going to create scenarios where he leaves. Come on. Give it a rest.
Enjoy it. Look forward to the next number of years. And let’s go find information about the recruits Della Jacono is talking about.
It’s exhausting.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 9, 2022 12:03:39 GMT -5
Paid a lot more and more job security. Also, you might not realize it but Harvard is considered to be a better school than Holy Cross. "Prestige" associated with Harvard. Feel free to disagree with any or all of the above statement. I appreciate the sarcasm. Yes, I know that Harvard has more prestige. That alone doesn't make coaching it's football team a better job, although it's obviously a recruiting advantage. I have no idea how much Tim Murphy makes. Is it that much more than Chesney?
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 9, 2022 12:13:48 GMT -5
It's interesting to read the soothsayers make definitive statements about what is in Coach Chesney's mind. We only know what the coach has stated and nothing more. As was commented by JFK'67, Coach Chesney had previously established the predicate four years ago by pointing to the importance of Worcester to his family in taking the HC job. The coach stated Worcester has become home for his family. Why not take the coach at his word? Because we are familiar with Worcester?🤣😂😋. Only kidding. I believe the coach and think he is great for Holy Cross and town/gown relations which is fantastic for both town and gown.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 9, 2022 12:22:27 GMT -5
1. Sorry for what you understandably saw as sarcasm. It was meant to be facetious but there's a fine line there sometimes. 2. You asked a serious question and my answer may have come across as flippant but my points were accurate as to why the Harvard job would be construed by some (many?) as a "better" job. 3. Midwest seems to have understood my points. 4. Harvard is considered almost unanimously by "experts" to be, if not the "best" school, within the top 3-5 not just in the country but in the world and that reputation and prestige rubs off on anything that touches Harvard. A lot of people would want to be part of that. Holy Cross has become pretty close to invisible around the country. No more 1942 national headlines beating BC. Years ago I posted how I was at West Point for a football game and a WP fan saw my purple attire as I was going into the stadium and said "Holy Cross is a great school. It's in the Ivy League, right? But where is it? Is it in Boston?" At least he heard of us. In Ohio when I was living there, some thought we were in the IL because they'd see the football scores on TV playing Harvard, Dartmouth, Yale. If we didn't play them, they'd never hear of us. Out west, no clue where or what Holy Cross is. Harvard? Known every place in the world. [Sorry for the over explanation, but I really feel some people would do almost anything to be associated with that]. 5. As to salary, because the football coach's salary is endowed, while I can't see the Harvard coach's salary on any 990 because he is likely NOT a top-paid employee, I'd be willing to bet the house he makes considerably more than Chesney does even with his presumed bump in salary.
None of this means Chesney would go there if offered. However, it is a plausible scenario, especially as I posted, if he could keep his family in Worcester as uprooting a young family is always at least a little traumatic - sometimes a lot more. I don't claim to know Coach Chesney well but have met him 3 times and he came across in our interaction and talk as his family being #1 over everything else (as it should be).
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Post by HC92 on Feb 9, 2022 12:49:37 GMT -5
1. Chesney is an awesome coach and he’s now going to be here longer than he would have been without the extension. 2. We are going to be really good in 2022. 3. I’m not going to worry about the 2023 season or beyond until after my January 2023 trip to Frisco.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 9, 2022 12:51:20 GMT -5
Thanks, Midwest! I asked my doctor what she thinks about Prevagen and she assured me it’s quackery but it distresses me that my past sharp memory is not even close to what it was. I’m told my memory is just normal deterioratation with age but I’m not old!! Or maybe I am and just forgot!🤪 Kind sir you are so correct. Tired of being told that everything is just normal deterioration with age - memory, vision, gut issues (Miralax has become my bosom buddy)aches & pains, sleep and all the rest. But, as my 60 something year old child bride reminds me: You are alive and doing well for your age. Be thankful for God's mercies. Yeah, but it still sucks. PS A number of years ago a Vatican observer in Rome told me: The Pope is never sick until he dies. Lucky guy.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 9, 2022 12:54:49 GMT -5
Another Notre Dame example: Brian Kelly left for LSU a couple weeks later. Again, nothing against Chesney, but he’s trying to sell the program and himself with all of these comments. That’s his job. What is he supposed to say? “I hate Worcester and would rather be back home in Pennsylvania, but Assumption and Holy Cross wanted me as their football coach, so I guess I’ll stay here for a little while longer.” He has backed his words up in that he does care about Worcester, but the idea that he’s some type of martyr who will halt his career trajectory to remain in Worcester is a pure purple kool-air take. PVR, ADKH, Holy Cross, and Worcester should be enough to keep him from going to a Maine or UMASS dumpster fire for his next job, but as a hypothetical, do you think he would turn down the Villanova job to stay in Worcester? I say no way, Jose (and he shouldn’t, given the handcuffs the pL puts on its programs). Sir, No disrespect to you, my brother HC alum. But, there are a lot of assumptions you have made about Coach Chesney and your fellow alums.For instance, no-one has typecast Coach Chesney as a martyr. The Villanova job is pure conjecture on your part. FWIW, IMO, the CAA including our Catholic brethren Villanova is an anonymous conference in the anonymous FCS. It has almost no national footprint.. I hope we can agree to disagree and still maintain respectful, cordial ties. GoCrossGo -Better brand, name recognition with recruits (driven by Basketball, but still applies) -Relaxed academic requirements -Full load of scholarships -Redshirting -Better conference If the CAA is anonymous, what is the pL? Completely Invisible? There are very few paths for Chesney to go from HC to a 1-A Head Coaching job -- winning an FCS championship (or coming close) is one of those paths. Villanova has proven that they can get there, and Holy Cross is miles away. Again, nothing against HC, Chesney, etc. but that's just where we are today. Go Cross Go!!
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 9, 2022 13:00:15 GMT -5
HC is miles away and Nova in the same statement? HC just lost by 5 with the ball and 2 mins left.
I’m not saying FB is knocking down the door but the knocking is getting louder.
God knows a lot better than the dumpster fire hoop program with a horrendous coach. Here’s hoping Nelson lands on his feet with his family when the season ends.
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Post by trimster on Feb 9, 2022 13:06:58 GMT -5
1. Sorry for what you understandably saw as sarcasm. It was meant to be facetious but there's a fine line there sometimes. 2. You asked a serious question and my answer may have come across as flippant but my points were accurate as to why the Harvard job would be construed by some (many?) as a "better" job. 3. Midwest seems to have understood my points. 4. Harvard is considered almost unanimously by "experts" to be, if not the "best" school, within the top 3-5 not just in the country but in the world and that reputation and prestige rubs off on anything that touches Harvard. A lot of people would want to be part of that. Holy Cross has become pretty close to invisible around the country. No more 1942 national headlines beating BC. Years ago I posted how I was at West Point for a football game and a WP fan saw my purple attire as I was going into the stadium and said "Holy Cross is a great school. It's in the Ivy League, right? But where is it? Is it in Boston?" At least he heard of us. In Ohio when I was living there, some thought we were in the IL because they'd see the football scores on TV playing Harvard, Dartmouth, Yale. If we didn't play them, they'd never hear of us. Out west, no clue where or what Holy Cross is. Harvard? Known every place in the world. [Sorry for the over explanation, but I really feel some people would do almost anything to be associated with that]. 5. As to salary, because the football coach's salary is endowed, while I can't see the Harvard coach's salary on any 990 because he is likely NOT a top-paid employee, I'd be willing to bet the house he makes considerably more than Chesney does even with his presumed bump in salary. None of this means Chesney would go there if offered. However, it is a plausible scenario, especially as I posted, if he could keep his family in Worcester as uprooting a young family is always at least a little traumatic - sometimes a lot more. I don't claim to know Coach Chesney well but have met him 3 times and he came across in our interaction and talk as his family being #1 over everything else (as it should be). Very good points. Obviously great news on Chesney's extension. Leave the guesswork on his next stop for another day or year. As the guy says in the Progressive commercial as the group heads into the stadium, let's not talk about leaving, (early), before we have even gone into the game.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 9, 2022 13:10:31 GMT -5
Tough to say HC is miles away from somewhere Villanova already is when we came very close to beating them on the road a couple of months ago without our best player for a big chunk of the game. Is HC in the same tier as teams like Sam Houston and North Dakota State? No. Are they in the next group of teams that round out the top 15? Maybe. It’ll be close in 2022. Not miles. Meanwhile, back in basketball, we’re trying to work our way out of the bottom 15 teams in the country.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 9, 2022 13:31:12 GMT -5
Sir, No disrespect to you, my brother HC alum. But, there are a lot of assumptions you have made about Coach Chesney and your fellow alums.For instance, no-one has typecast Coach Chesney as a martyr. The Villanova job is pure conjecture on your part. FWIW, IMO, the CAA including our Catholic brethren Villanova is an anonymous conference in the anonymous FCS. It has almost no national footprint.. I hope we can agree to disagree and still maintain respectful, cordial ties. GoCrossGo -Better brand, name recognition with recruits (driven by Basketball, but still applies) -Relaxed academic requirements -Full load of scholarships -Redshirting -Better conference If the CAA is anonymous, what is the pL? Completely Invisible? There are very few paths for Chesney to go from HC to a 1-A Head Coaching job -- winning an FCS championship (or coming close) is one of those paths. Villanova has proven that they can get there, and Holy Cross is miles away. Again, nothing against HC, Chesney, etc. but that's just where we are today. Go Cross Go!! Then the athletic directors in 1-A schools are clueless if they cannot see what Bob Chesney has accomplished at everyplace where he has coached
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 9, 2022 13:31:14 GMT -5
Incredibly amusing how enthused Caro is about the "direction" of MBB under Nelson and how critical he is of just about every button Chesney pushes.
Did Chesney hurt you, Caro?
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Post by hc87 on Feb 9, 2022 13:37:27 GMT -5
Purple Ray-Bans on here but I really can't see HCBC leaving HC for another FCS school. Save for some of the restrictions the PL imposes, which he has seemed to be able thrive within them, there really isn't a bettah FCS job in the country. Facilities, the kids he gets to coach, quality of life etc etc etc...there may be comprable FCS programs out there (Ivies, Nova, Richmond, W&M etc) but none an appreciable "step-up."
He'll more than likely leave at some point, hopefully later rather than sooner, but it will be at the FBS-level in some capacity.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 9, 2022 13:39:42 GMT -5
His recent comments suggest he feels much more support for the program from Rougeau and Hughes than he did from their predecessors. That change should also decrease the likelihood he’d leave for something close to lateral.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 9, 2022 15:32:12 GMT -5
Purple Ray-Bans on here but I really can't see HCBC leaving HC for another FCS school. Save for some of the restrictions the PL imposes, which he has seemed to be able thrive within them, there really isn't a bettah FCS job in the country. Facilities, the kids he gets to coach, quality of life etc etc etc...there may be comprable FCS programs out there (Ivies, Nova, Richmond, W&M etc) but none an appreciable "step-up." He'll more than likely leave at some point, hopefully later rather than sooner, but it will be at the FBS-level in some capacity. Another unspoken advantage of the HC job over the Villanova job is the Holy Cross extended community supports football and basketball with equal enthusiasm. I sense FB can be viewed as less significant at VU than basketball by some parts of their community. Holy Cross didn't take a hiatus from football for decades like Nova and then tip toe back. We have no confusion about football at Holy Cross. We're bursting with pride for our championship football team and century plus of uninterrupted tradition.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 9, 2022 15:41:03 GMT -5
That said, how did we lose momentum when Villanova could eliminate/club football; come back; and win a national championship?
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 9, 2022 15:44:43 GMT -5
Serious question: why is coaching Harvard's football team a better job than coaching HC's football team? He left Cincinnati to go to Harvard....even though Cincy was one of the worst teams in the nation when he took the job and then he took them to having their best season up to that time in their history. He still decided to leave and take that job. Harvard is a far superior job and you aren't going to get fired unless you REALLY screw up.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 9, 2022 15:46:42 GMT -5
His recent comments suggest he feels much more support for the program from Rougeau and Hughes than he did from their predecessors. That change should also decrease the likelihood he’d leave for something close to lateral. Is going to Boston College as the OC or DC a Lateral job? That is what the Eastern Washington coach did going to Cal and now back at Cal Poly.
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Post by alum on Feb 9, 2022 15:51:37 GMT -5
His recent comments suggest he feels much more support for the program from Rougeau and Hughes than he did from their predecessors. That change should also decrease the likelihood he’d leave for something close to lateral. Is going to Boston College as the OC or DC a Lateral job? That is what the Eastern Washington coach did going to Cal and now back at Cal Poly. Some people want to be head coaches. I get the feeling that BC wants to be the guy, not the guy the guy relies on. (I think I heard that on the television show, West Wing.)
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 9, 2022 15:55:18 GMT -5
That said, how did we lose momentum when Villanova could eliminate/club football; come back; and win a national championship? I remembered Howie Long played at Nova and checked the length of the hiatus. It wasn't decades, they dropped FB in 1981 after only selling 750 season tickets for 1980 while providing 95 full scholarships. After voiceforous alumni complaints, they tip toed back with an undefeated five game D-3 schedule in 1985 and joined the Yankee Conference (now CAA) in 1987 and won the national championship in 2009. Between 1894-1981 Villanova went to several bowl games and were 6-5 in 1980 the last season before dropping FB for financial reasons. So they also have a good football heritage, but one that probably can't stand up to the Big East and the National Championship in BB for some of their fans.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 9, 2022 15:55:29 GMT -5
Can't we get along and enjoy the moment?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 9, 2022 16:18:31 GMT -5
Colgate lost in the national championship game in 2003, and reached the quarters in 2015 and 2018, so going deep into the playoffs is not a mountain too high for a PL team.
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