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Post by hc2489 on Dec 8, 2016 18:56:56 GMT -5
Recommendation for HC basketball scheduler: Never schedule a 2-1 against a high mid-major, like UMass or URI, especially when the one MUST be at the DCU. Never schedule a $$$ game against a top-20 team, like Syracuse. Do schedule a $$$ game against a UMass or URI-type team at their place on a one game basis. HC COULD someday rise up and beat a UMass/URI/UCF/BC opponent. Contact the Jesuit basketball promotion people to try to get a Xmas tournament going in NYC around Xmas beginning with 4 teams like @fordham, Holy Cross, Loyola Chicago and Fairfield. I think the consensus is that players like the opportunity to play against big time programs regardless of the outcome. Do schools like Umass and URI even pay us to come play them?
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Post by somedaycamesuddenly on Dec 8, 2016 19:21:44 GMT -5
Perhaps, Bison. But the PL remains a D-I conference and plays in the same post-season tournaments but the D-II and D-III teams do not. PL teams in terms of expenditures on basketball are closer to many D2's than to the Kentucky's of the world. Also of course, over 90% of the "student"-athletes at most power conference schools couldn't even be considered for admission at a PL school. So it's really apples-to-oranges. Not sure what the purpose is of comparing the PL to the ACC or SEC. I think you would find conference's like the MAAC with APR's that are lower than some power conference's. It's possible to be good at basketball and school, we should aspire for that.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 8, 2016 22:03:54 GMT -5
Recommendation for HC basketball scheduler: Never schedule a 2-1 against a high mid-major, like UMass or URI, especially when the one MUST be at the DCU. Never schedule a $$$ game against a top-20 team, like Syracuse. Do schedule a $$$ game against a UMass or URI-type team at their place on a one game basis. HC COULD someday rise up and beat a UMass/URI/UCF/BC opponent. Contact the Jesuit basketball promotion people to try to get a Xmas tournament going in NYC around Xmas beginning with 4 teams like @fordham, Holy Cross, Loyola Chicago and Fairfield. And we might as well throw in a regular season game against Assumption and a couplet against Furman and Wofford while we're at it. Right, 70?
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Post by hc87 on Dec 8, 2016 22:08:22 GMT -5
Seriously, how do we not play PC and BC in hoop every year? If we were truly serious about hoop, we would.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 8, 2016 22:17:29 GMT -5
Seriously, how do we not play PC and BC in hoop every year? If we were truly serious about hoop, we would. It takes 2 to tango 87. Have you posted this question on the Prov & BC boards? It's as much on them as its on HC.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 8, 2016 22:34:13 GMT -5
Recommendation for HC basketball scheduler: Never schedule a 2-1 against a high mid-major, like UMass or URI, especially when the one MUST be at the DCU. Never schedule a $$$ game against a top-20 team, like Syracuse. Do schedule a $$$ game against a UMass or URI-type team at their place on a one game basis. HC COULD someday rise up and beat a UMass/URI/UCF/BC opponent. Contact the Jesuit basketball promotion people to try to get a Xmas tournament going in NYC around Xmas beginning with 4 teams like @fordham, Holy Cross, Loyola Chicago and Fairfield. I think the consensus is that players like the opportunity to play against big time programs regardless of the outcome. Do schools like Umass and URI even pay us to come play them? I thought we were supposed to play only Canisius and Furman nom league.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 8, 2016 22:37:07 GMT -5
Seriously, how do we not play PC and BC in hoop every year? If we were truly serious about hoop, we would. Because BC won't play us at all and PC will only play us once in awhile and only at PC.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 8, 2016 23:30:32 GMT -5
If we really cared....they'd play us...it's not rocket science
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 8, 2016 23:49:05 GMT -5
If we really cared....they'd play us...it's not rocket science Don't think that's how it works. But I do wish we would play them both every year, even if on the road.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 8, 2016 23:52:09 GMT -5
It could work if we really cared...we don't. Play them on the road....
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 8, 2016 23:58:00 GMT -5
It could work if we really cared...we don't. Play them on the road.... 87- please tell us how if HC "cared about hoops" it would guarantee games vs Prov & BC every year, because I've gotta hear this...
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Post by hc87 on Dec 9, 2016 0:06:54 GMT -5
Because it's a traditional/regional/institutional rival....Holy Cross should play Boston College and Providence College in basketball....can we forsake Maine, Quinnipiac etc to do so? Jesus Christ, the Stockholm Syndrome here on why we can't do this escapes me.....I am so so sick of "why we can't do things athletically at Holy Cross"
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 9, 2016 0:20:49 GMT -5
It could work if we really cared...we don't. Play them on the road.... We couldn't play almost any big/good school in New England when Willard was coach.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 9, 2016 0:26:18 GMT -5
We could play anyone we wanted to....the school lacks the will to be an athletic school now imo.....it's sad and Nate Pine wants to be an AD to make noise??? Joke
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 9, 2016 0:34:25 GMT -5
We could play anyone we wanted to....the school lacks the will to be an athletic school now imo.....it's sad and Nate Pine wants to be an AD to make noise??? Joke Not ten years ago. Let's see what future schedules look like with Carm as coach and Milan's series ending.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 9, 2016 0:39:18 GMT -5
Basketball scheduling isn't brain surgery...if we truly cared about basketball, we would play BC and PC every year....they would play us...ummm, isn't this why Nate Pine was hired?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 9, 2016 6:41:26 GMT -5
Let's see if I have this right. It's all in the art of the deal. Sort of like Mexico will pay for a yuge wall. You simply leverage your power position which for us is "we used to play you guys every year 40 years ago and we are both Catholic institutions and we are pretty close by." That will certainly overcome their weak position of "we will lose revenue by playing an away game when we could have another home game for our fans and we will be playing a lower ranked opponent and we might lose which would damage our RPI and possible post-season playoff chances." Got it.
42 years of negotiating but I can see that I need to brush up on those skills.
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Post by Tom on Dec 9, 2016 9:22:38 GMT -5
If we really cared....they'd play us...it's not rocket science This is not necessarily true. Back in 2006, HC lost a good game to BC at the Centrum. (darnn Keith Simmon's cramping issue) the year after losing in overtime in Chestnut Hill. After the game the BC coach said he would not play Holy Cross again here, there, or anywhere - saying that HC was too physical and basically dirty Not BC or PC, but I also recall a couple of years later, Calhoun from UConn, who had said he would never play HC, had HC's schedule changed so that there was no chance UConn could meet HC in the second round of a early season tournament. As ACTP says it takes two to tango - even if one really, really cares
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 9, 2016 9:29:32 GMT -5
Perhaps with losses to Maine, New Hampshire, U. Mass, and an upcoming game with URI, there will be less reluctance on the part of New England teams to schedule HC.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 9, 2016 9:36:54 GMT -5
Remember Calhoun's refusal to play HC in the preseason NIT, ihoop? Selective memory?
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 9, 2016 9:47:38 GMT -5
Remember Calhoun's refusal to play HC in the preseason NIT, ihoop? Selective memory? I can't speak for hoop, but I remember it very well. IMO Calhoun was, quite simply, worried about a loss to HC and took the low road to avoid the possibility. If HC loses to every other state college team in New England, expect UConn to jump on the bandwagon...or at least to be less reluctant.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 9, 2016 9:50:03 GMT -5
Remember Calhoun's refusal to play HC in the preseason NIT, ihoop? Selective memory? I can't speak for hoop, but I remember it very well. IMO Calhoun was, quite simply, worried about a loss to HC and took the low road to avoid the possibility. If HC loses to every other state college team in New England, expect UConn to jump on the bandwagon...or at least to be less reluctant. There's a reason BC, PC, UConn and others got back on the schedule during the Milan Brown era.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 9, 2016 9:58:15 GMT -5
Remember Calhoun's refusal to play HC in the preseason NIT, ihoop? Selective memory? . If HC loses to every other state college team in New England, expect UConn to jump on the bandwagon...or at least to be less reluctant. calhoun would still not play kevin Ollie may
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 9, 2016 9:59:29 GMT -5
. If HC loses to every other state college team in New England, expect UConn to jump on the bandwagon...or at least to be less reluctant. calhoun would still not play kevin Ollie may Fair enough! I need to be more clear with posts.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 10, 2016 10:35:43 GMT -5
The PL is currently 37-55 against non-conference opponents.
American (1-7): L Maryland, L Texas A&M, L Akron, L Wagner, L St. Francis PA, W Western Illinois, L Howard, L New Hampshire
Army (5-4): L Oregon, W Mount Saint Mary (NY), L Arkansas State, L Central Arkansas, W Columbia, L Fairfield, W Fairleigh Dickinson, W St. Francis NY, W Air Force
Boston U (4-5): L Northeastern, W Northeastern, W Maine, W LIU Brooklyn, W WNEC, L St. Peter's, L Connecticut, L NC State, L Canisius
Bucknell (7-3): W Manhattan, L Wake Forest, W Robert Morris, L Butler, W Vanderbilt, W Norfolk State, W Northern Colorado, W Richmond, L La Salle, W Fairfield
Colgate (2-8): L Syracuse, W Cornell, L NJIT, L Penn State, L Columbia, W Union, L The Citadel, L Campbell, L South Carolina Upstate, L Binghamton
Holy Cross (3-6): L South Carolina, L Syracuse, L UMass, W Harvard, W South Carolina State, L Monmouth, W Albany, L New Hampshire, L Maine
Lafayette (3-5): L Villanova, W St. Peter's, W NJIT, L Cornell, L Princeton, L Drexel, W St. Francis NY, L Penn
Lehigh (3-5): L Xavier, L Yale, W Princeton, W Mississippi State, L Arkansas State, L La Salle, W Robert Morris, L Stony Brook
Loyola (4-5): L Duquesne, W Millersville, L LIU Brooklyn, L Notre Dame, W Fairfield, L Creighton, W Stony Brook, W THE MOUNT, L Towson
Navy (5-6): L Ohio State, W Washington MD, L North Dakota State, L High Point, L NC Greensboro, W UMBC, W Penn, L College of Charleston, L Furman, W Bryant, W Columbia
Mountain West: 1-0 Big Sky: 1-0 Non-D1: 5-0 MEAC: 2-1 NEC: 8-3 Ivy League: 6-5 MAAC: 4-4 SEC: 2-2 Summit: 1-1 America East: 4-6 Atlantic Sun: 1-2 A10: 1-4 CAA: 1-4 ACC: 0-5 Big East: 0-4 Big Ten: 0-3 Big South: 0-3 Southern: 0-2 Southland: 0-2 American: 0-1 MAC: 0-1 Pac-12: 0-1 Sun Belt: 0-1
Saturday's games:
Lehigh at THE MOUNT BU at Syracuse Army at Monmouth Loyola at Binghamton Colgate vs. Albany American vs. Youngstown State
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