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Post by crusader99 on Apr 24, 2022 15:37:19 GMT -5
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Post by crusader99 on Apr 24, 2022 15:50:57 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on Apr 24, 2022 16:03:29 GMT -5
What would happen if the CAF for each sport was used for NIL purposes and the school fully funded all of the athletic programs?
This is a question, not a recommendation, or me taking a position
But if the world has moved do we?
would leaders in business communities, alums and Worcester community participate?
what position would the coaching staff take?
if we found ourselves in that position would contributions increase or decrease?
should we tax the scholarship and NIL dollars?
does anybody care?
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Post by Tom on Apr 24, 2022 17:15:04 GMT -5
What would happen if the CAF for each sport was used for NIL purposes and the school fully funded all of the athletic programs? This is a question, not a recommendation, or me taking a position But if the world has moved do we? would leaders in business communities, alums and Worcester community participate? what position would the coaching staff take? if we found ourselves in that position would contributions increase or decrease? should we tax the scholarship and NIL dollars? does anybody care? I assume that the athlete has to pay a tax on any NIL I will also assume that if I took advantage of some allowable way to give a kid NIL money, that said gift would not be tax deductible the same way a donation to the CAF would be. For this reason among others, I would assume that in your hypothetical scenario, replacing the CAF with NIL stuff, contributions would go down at a place like HC
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Post by efg72 on Apr 24, 2022 17:25:38 GMT -5
We discuss this in broad strokes Object to the uncomfortable pieces yet put off the reality of the world
What do we avoid in principle, and what, if anything, do we find as an acceptable path forward forHoly Cross athletics?
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Post by crusader99 on Apr 24, 2022 17:27:40 GMT -5
For the student athletes, they would clearly receive taxable income… I have no info on impact of financial aid.. looks like charities are set up to attract contributors…. the schools are/can not be involved, but clearly the CAF would want those $s… it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Can the Ivy/PL schools would stay their paths? they may not have a choice … blavity.com/adidas-announces-nil-network-deal-hbcus
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 24, 2022 17:38:18 GMT -5
I think just about every school will find it hard to compete with the University of Texas whose fanatical and Uber wealthy boosters will cough up tens of millions annually to buy the most promising players.
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Post by crusader99 on Apr 24, 2022 17:43:13 GMT -5
If you see the list, NIL Collectives will be universal across most of the D1 schools… it’s starting with the Power 5. Gonzaga has just established a Collective and I assume most others in that conference will follow… GTown, PC, Nova and the other Big East schools are as well…. Whether this trickles down to the PL will be a question.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 24, 2022 17:50:44 GMT -5
I believe that this NIL will be predominantly a power conference deal. Those schools have the big money backers. Now a school such as Harvard also has very big money for sports (and everything else), but would it try to compete is this murky area ?
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Post by efg72 on Apr 24, 2022 18:08:07 GMT -5
I believe that this NIL will be predominantly a power conference deal. Those schools have the big money backers. Now a school such as Harvard also has very big money for sports (and everything else), but would it try to compete is this murky area ? Agree however if the NCAA continues down this path do we use CAF funds to give top hoop and football players 50-75k in addition to scholarships?
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 24, 2022 18:12:55 GMT -5
For once HC might have a small sliver of advantage. HC sports are seen by more eyeballs via coverage by the T&G and the Spectrum nightly newscast in a way other low D-1 teams aren't. Some are in less populated areas and others are in large metro areas where coverage is crowded out by big league teams or bigger schools.
So all we need is performance that catches the public's imagination. But the NIL will never be without it's disadvantages.
Say a car dealer or a restaurant wants to host the HC QB and star receiver at a Sunday afternoon reception to discuss the game and sign autographs as a way of getting people in the door. That's precious time in the week for studying.
Judging by the absence of any large donations allowing HC to move on from a coach, NIL dollars would more likely come from business, not boosters, so expect them to be modest and players to earn them.
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Post by notjuanjones on Apr 24, 2022 19:22:27 GMT -5
My concern with the collectives is not that PL schools will lose all their recruiting battles with schools that have bigger NIL apparatus in place. There are still some student-athletes who are more interested in a quality education, and know they aren't going to play in the NBA. BUT, I'm very worried about the recruiting that will go on, day after day, game after game, every minute a kid is playing at a PL school. Say AU plays a guarantee game at George Mason or George Washington, and one of our players has a good game. Can you imagine the arm-pulling that would go on during the game, or afterward? Or, when a kid goes back home after the season. You better hope they don't go to any AAU events. Etc.
It's going to be a year-to-year re-recruiting of every good player you have on your team. And there's no way any PL school, with or without the league-wide deal with INFLCR, will be able to consistently hold other schools off.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 24, 2022 20:01:25 GMT -5
How many PL ROY's will finish their college careers at the same school where they started?
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 24, 2022 20:46:53 GMT -5
How many PL ROY's will finish their college careers at the same school where they started? The smaht ones.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 25, 2022 11:43:15 GMT -5
A high school junior making big bucks, yet still an amateur with college eligibility. The cesspool deepens.
Top 2024 recruit Naasir Cunningham signs with Overtime Elite, plans to maintain college eligibility. Cunningham will forgo his salary as a "scholarship" athlete in the league with an eye toward maintaining his college eligibility after completing high school. Naasir Cunningham, the top-ranked basketball player in the high school class of 2024, is signing with Overtime Elite, the league announced Monday. Cunningham, a New Jersey native, will forgo his salary as a "scholarship" athlete in the league in order to maintain his college eligibility after completing high school.
The 6-foot-7, 180-pound forward is the highest-ranked player to ever sign with the fledgling league and the first to forgo his pay. Cunningham can sign name, image and likeness deals, however.
Cunningham averaged 13.8 points, 6.8 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.1 steals, and 1 block per game as a sophomore at Gill St. Bernards.
Overtime Elite, which started up in September 2021, says it pays each athlete a minimum of $100,000 per year as well as provides them with health insurance. According to the league’s website, players also receive up to $100,000 toward college tuition if they decided not to turn professional.
Jalen Lewis, the No. 2 recruit in the class of 2023, was previously the highest-ranked player to join the league. His multi-year deal is worth more than $1 million.
Cunningham is the eighth five-star recruit to join OTE, according to the league.
(Photo: John Jones / Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)
Why join OTE if he still wants to go to college? Kyle Tucker, college basketball writer: Because now he can complete his high school degree while training in a pro environment, playing with and against other high-end talent and be coached by guys like Kevin Ollie — who led Connecticut to a national title — and Dave Leitao, former ACC Coach of the Year at Virginia.
Cunningham is the first OTE player to not take a salary but he can still earn a healthy income while in high school — while remaining eligible for college — thanks to name, image and likeness deals. When I spent a few days at OTE for a story last summer, that was a big part of the conversation: Was there a way they could attract some top high school talent who still wanted to at least keep open the option of college? Looks like they’ve found the answer. With a former NCAA compliance official now advising them, OTE is offering a “scholarship” option for exactly that type of prospect.
How could this new option impact college recruiting? Tucker: That remains to be seen, but it could make things trickier with some of the top prospects. Assuming the NCAA accepts this path as a viable way to maintain eligibility, there will surely be some other elite players who jump to OTE early in their high school careers to capitalize on that NIL earning potential.
Some of the top players have massive social media followings by the time they’re 16 years old, which gives them huge NIL value, and the parent company, Overtime, is a juggernaut in that online branding space.
Then the question becomes: Once OTE has these guys for a year or two of high school, and then can offer six-figure (and maybe seven-figure) salaries for their gap year between high school graduation and NBA draft eligibility, will it be hard for a college to actually pry them away?
Scouting report on Cunningham Tucker: He’s ranked the No. 1 player in the high school class of 2024, already has an offer from Duke and just about every major college program had coaches watching him last weekend at a Nike EYBL grassroots stop in Indianapolis. But he might be a tad overhyped.
He’s a slender 6-foot-7 wing with long arms, good athleticism, solid handles and a definite smoothness to his game. Still, in eight games playing up on the 17U Nike circuit so far this spring, Cunningham has averaged just 11.2 points on 37.6 percent shooting. He’s only 12-of-44 (27.3 percent) from 3. He’s averaging 4.1 rebounds and has a total of six assists (compared to 16 turnovers).
The cautionary tale of Emoni Bates, who was identified way too early as the top recruit in his class, comes to mind. Cunningham still has plenty of time to live up to the hype, and training at OTE could help provide him with the added strength and refinement he needs.
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Post by hc87 on Apr 25, 2022 11:54:17 GMT -5
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Post by Chu Chu on Apr 25, 2022 13:38:03 GMT -5
What does NIL stand for?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 25, 2022 13:43:04 GMT -5
Name. image, and likeness
Players are now able to benefit financially from the use of their names,, images, and likenesses
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Post by mm67 on Apr 25, 2022 15:34:03 GMT -5
No doubt NIL will result in UC(Unintended Consequences) I think.
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