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Post by bfoley82 on May 3, 2022 19:54:53 GMT -5
I agree minor sports could be a sticky wicket but minor sports aren't exactly flourishing in the PL and HC probably wouldn't be competing in minor sports across the board because most mid-major conferences as well as the high majors, don't have programs in the number of sports the Pat and Ivy does. Many of our minor sports would probably have to cobble together a schedule with D1 schools in the Northeast and some of the higher profile league schools but the likelihood of this coming to pass is negative 100 on the Integer Scale. The A-10 sponsors every sport that the PL does except for -- Football, Men's Lacrosse, Women's Golf If Holy Cross were actually a mutual interest candidate to join the A-10 right now, in today's real-world landscape, the logistics wouldn't be that difficult. This is likely where we'd land, conservatively assuming that the PL would cut us off from remaining as an affiliate in any sport (which they might not): Football - NEC => honestly I think the PL would let us stay ala Fordham in 1995 but would need to add another all-sports member w/ football per league bylaws in order to keep sponsoring the sport; or change the bylaws. Men's Lacrosse - MAAC Women's Golf - Big South (we were in this league until about 10 years ago when PL started sponsoring) Golf would be the easiest...they could be in basically any conference as Hartford is in the Big Sky in Men's Golf. It is only a conference tourney that they would need to see conference opponents. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 3, 2022 20:06:55 GMT -5
The A-10 sponsors every sport that the PL does except for -- Football, Men's Lacrosse, Women's Golf If Holy Cross were actually a mutual interest candidate to join the A-10 right now, in today's real-world landscape, the logistics wouldn't be that difficult. This is likely where we'd land, conservatively assuming that the PL would cut us off from remaining as an affiliate in any sport (which they might not): Football - NEC => honestly I think the PL would let us stay ala Fordham in 1995 but would need to add another all-sports member w/ football per league bylaws in order to keep sponsoring the sport; or change the bylaws. Men's Lacrosse - MAAC Women's Golf - Big South (we were in this league until about 10 years ago when PL started sponsoring) Golf would be the easiest...they could be in basically any conference as Hartford is in the Big Sky in Men's Golf. It is only a conference tourney that they would need to see conference opponents. Exactly. I think one of the strangest single-sport affiliate scenarios is where Stanford, Cal and UC-Davis play in the America East for Field Hockey. Of course, they have to travel for regular season games in addition to the conference tournament site, which could end up on either coast depending on who hosts. |
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Post by bfoley82 on May 3, 2022 22:42:25 GMT -5
Golf would be the easiest...they could be in basically any conference as Hartford is in the Big Sky in Men's Golf. It is only a conference tourney that they would need to see conference opponents. Exactly. I think one of the strangest single-sport affiliate scenarios is where Stanford, Cal and UC-Davis play in the America East for Field Hockey. Of course, they have to travel for regular season games in addition to the conference tournament site, which could end up on either coast depending on who hosts. UNH for one hasn't played a regular season game in California since 2013. They played the conference tourney out there a couple of times since then though. The reason for those three schools to be in the conference is for the auto bid in Field Hockey. |
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Post by longsuffering on May 4, 2022 1:25:48 GMT -5
You mean the league needs the west coast schools to have enough field hockey teams to qualify for an auto bid, or the three west coast teams need a league with an auto bid to increase their chances of going to the NCAA tournament?
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Post by res on May 4, 2022 7:18:41 GMT -5
A story circulating in the lacrosse press is that the A10 is instituting a mens' league, possibly beginning next season. It would consist of the four current members with mens' lacrosse; Richmond, St. Joe's, UMass and Bona; with (rumored) associate members Hobart, High Point and Fairfield.
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Post by Tom on May 4, 2022 8:24:14 GMT -5
Any discussion of present day HC MBB leaving the atrocious pL for any other D1 conference is a complete waste of time. If that were true, that would mean in its entire history this board has never gone more than 3 months without completely wasting time |
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Post by rgs318 on May 4, 2022 8:26:34 GMT -5
That long?  |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 4, 2022 9:47:20 GMT -5
A story circulating in the lacrosse press is that the A10 is instituting a mens' league, possibly beginning next season. It would consist of the four current members with mens' lacrosse; Richmond, St. Joe's, UMass and Bona; with (rumored) associate members Hobart, High Point and Fairfield. Makes sense. I forgot St. Bona had Men's Lacrosse. I guess the CAA doesn't need affiliates UMASS and Fairfield, both of whom are typically strong programs, anymore now that they have Stony Brook and Monmouth coming in. Hampton also has lacrosse and is joining the CAA but I think they're still transitioning to playing a full DI schedule and may be a year or two away from playing a full league slate. |
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Post by bfoley82 on May 4, 2022 10:23:26 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on May 4, 2022 10:25:08 GMT -5
A story circulating in the lacrosse press is that the A10 is instituting a mens' league, possibly beginning next season. It would consist of the four current members with mens' lacrosse; Richmond, St. Joe's, UMass and Bona; with (rumored) associate members Hobart, High Point and Fairfield. That would just hand UMass the conference every year....Losing Hobart would be a big loss for the NEC. |
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Post by res on May 4, 2022 10:42:00 GMT -5
A story circulating in the lacrosse press is that the A10 is instituting a mens' league, possibly beginning next season. It would consist of the four current members with mens' lacrosse; Richmond, St. Joe's, UMass and Bona; with (rumored) associate members Hobart, High Point and Fairfield. That would just hand UMass the conference every year....Losing Hobart would be a big loss for the NEC. At the moment, Richmond and St. Joseph's are ranked, 17th and 19th, respectively. UMass is not. Current RPI 16 Richmond 19 St. Joseph's 25 UMass 32 High Point 41 St. Bonaventure 44 Hobart 50 Fairfield |
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Post by bfoley82 on May 4, 2022 11:21:10 GMT -5
That would just hand UMass the conference every year....Losing Hobart would be a big loss for the NEC. At the moment, Richmond and St. Joseph's are ranked, 17th and 19th, respectively. UMass is not. Current RPI 16 Richmond 19 St. Joseph's 25 UMass 32 High Point 41 St. Bonaventure 44 Hobart 50 Fairfield My point stands...St. Joe's went 11-32 in the CAA during their three seasons (2011-2013) in the conference. Once they left after a seventh place CAA finish with a 5-11 record and 1-5, they went 11-4 and 6-0 in the NEC. |
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Post by res on May 4, 2022 11:35:35 GMT -5
OK, I guess I have to yield to your decade-old data.
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Post by longsuffering on May 4, 2022 11:57:21 GMT -5
OK, I guess I have to yield to your decade-old data. ⚠️🙂 |
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Post by bfoley82 on May 4, 2022 12:03:02 GMT -5
OK, I guess I have to yield to your decade-old data. Or comparing NEC conference teams to the CAA is a big difference. St. Joe's has zero wins over ranked squads this year and went 1-2 against the CAA during their 12-3 season. The other loss for St. Joe's was against sixth place Penn from the Ivy League. |
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Post by bison137 on May 4, 2022 13:56:52 GMT -5
At the moment, Richmond and St. Joseph's are ranked, 17th and 19th, respectively. UMass is not. Current RPI 16 Richmond 19 St. Joseph's 25 UMass 32 High Point 41 St. Bonaventure 44 Hobart 50 Fairfield My point stands...St. Joe's went 11-32 in the CAA during their three seasons (2011-2013) in the conference. Once they left after a seventh place CAA finish with a 5-11 record and 1-5, they went 11-4 and 6-0 in the NEC. Your point, i.e. that it would hand UMass the title every year, clearly makes no sense. For one, Richmond has been better than them the last couple of years. |
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Post by bfoley82 on May 4, 2022 13:59:08 GMT -5
My point stands...St. Joe's went 11-32 in the CAA during their three seasons (2011-2013) in the conference. Once they left after a seventh place CAA finish with a 5-11 record and 1-5, they went 11-4 and 6-0 in the NEC. Your point, i.e. that it would hand UMass the title every year, clearly makes no sense. For one, Richmond has been better than them the last couple of years. Yea, Richmond has stepped up their game since I got out of the day to day coverage of Lacrosse. |
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Post by gerry on May 4, 2022 18:50:09 GMT -5
A-10 is perfectly setup for a three division setup with the current 15 teams which would allow home and home matchups with your division and single matchups against the other divisions. Northeast Division: UMass, URI, Fordham, LaSalle, St Joseph's. Mid-Atlantic Division: Davidson, George Mason, George Washington, Richmond, VCU. Midwest Division: Duquesne, St Bona, Dayton, Loyola, St Louis. Unfortunately all of the good teams are confined to only two of the divisions which would be an issue
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 4, 2022 19:01:29 GMT -5
A-10 is perfectly setup for a three division setup with the current 15 teams which would allow home and home matchups with your division and single matchups against the other divisions. Northeast Division: UMass, URI, Fordham, LaSalle, St Joseph's. Mid-Atlantic Division: Davidson, George Mason, George Washington, Richmond, VCU. Midwest Division: Duquesne, St Bona, Dayton, Loyola, St Louis. Unfortunately all of the good teams are confined to only two of the divisions which would be an issueAt this date in time, yes. But historically URI, UMASS and St. Joe's have absolutely been + teams in the Atlantic 10 Conference. |
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