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Post by Crosser on May 23, 2022 21:28:04 GMT -5
Fixing this sentence for you: Neither guy promoted interest from other schools on their personal twitter accounts, or used media members to promote interest. (Tse's tweets a protected/private)The idea that Holy Cross was the only school interested in both of these guys is laughable, even for the staunchest haters. Perhaps these gentlemen are more humble than others. That being said, there's no sugar coating the fact that we were one of the last dogs at the bowl this recruiting season. Definitely tough given the recent revolving door and Nelson's contract situation. I project that our 3 transfers roughly wind up being Dee Goens 2.0, Greg McCarthy 2.0 and hopefully Rob Champion 2.0. And hoping that they stay thru graduation and are part of the greatest turnaround in program history. Just curious, what is presently the greatest turnaround in program history?
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 23, 2022 21:53:43 GMT -5
Fixing this sentence for you: Neither guy promoted interest from other schools on their personal twitter accounts, or used media members to promote interest. (Tse's tweets a protected/private)The idea that Holy Cross was the only school interested in both of these guys is laughable, even for the staunchest haters. Perhaps these gentlemen are more humble than others. That being said, there's no sugar coating the fact that we were one of the last dogs at the bowl this recruiting season. They were? Can we get an updated tally on the number of players still in the portal? Per Crossports Senior Recruiting Insider football44, we chose Wilbar over Iona transfer Trey James.
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Post by longsuffering on May 23, 2022 22:09:05 GMT -5
Perhaps these gentlemen are more humble than others. That being said, there's no sugar coating the fact that we were one of the last dogs at the bowl this recruiting season. Definitely tough given the recent revolving door and Nelson's contract situation. I project that our 3 transfers roughly wind up being Dee Goens 2.0, Greg McCarthy 2.0 and hopefully Rob Champion 2.0. And hoping that they stay thru graduation and are part of the greatest turnaround in program history. Just curious, what is presently the greatest turnaround in program history? Sean Kearney replacing Ralph Willard was a complete turnaround.
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Post by Crosser on May 23, 2022 23:40:36 GMT -5
I always think of a turnaround as heading in a good direction.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 24, 2022 6:03:08 GMT -5
Wilbar's history intrigues me; there are many contradictions.
You look at his ISU stats, and well, they aren't pretty. Yet, you watch that highlights video, and you see a kid with a decent looking shot behind the arc, pretty good mobility, an ability to finish around the basket with either hand, and able to make a few stops at the rim.
Then there's his juco history. He sits out year 1. You would think that would help with a transition into playing. But his year 2 numbers are poor. Was he hurt, or sick? Seems so strange. And yet - his coach thought enough of him to bring him along to D-1 (and a pretty good level of D-1, league wise).
My HOPE is the MVC was just a bit too high level for him, and he spent a lot of time playing "rushed". Maybe the PL will be just what the doctor ordered. CBN's coaching life at HC may depend on it.
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Post by trimster on May 24, 2022 6:35:48 GMT -5
Perhaps these gentlemen are more humble than others. That being said, there's no sugar coating the fact that we were one of the last dogs at the bowl this recruiting season. They were? Can we get an updated tally on the number of players still in the portal? Per Crossports Senior Recruiting Insider football44, we chose Wilbar over Iona transfer Trey James. Looks like someone on the Fairfield board did a count last night and came up with 868. Sounds right based on the fact one had to scroll halfway down the transfer list two days ago on Verbal Commits before the portion of kids with destinations began.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 24, 2022 6:37:45 GMT -5
Perhaps these gentlemen are more humble than others. That being said, there's no sugar coating the fact that we were one of the last dogs at the bowl this recruiting season. Definitely tough given the recent revolving door and Nelson's contract situation. I project that our 3 transfers roughly wind up being Dee Goens 2.0, Greg McCarthy 2.0 and hopefully Rob Champion 2.0. And hoping that they stay thru graduation and are part of the greatest turnaround in program history. Just curious, what is presently the greatest turnaround in program history? One to consider is 73-74 to 74-75 with Potter and Vicens joining the team in Geo Blaney’s third season as head coach
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Post by Xmassader on May 24, 2022 6:46:55 GMT -5
Perhaps these gentlemen are more humble than others. That being said, there's no sugar coating the fact that we were one of the last dogs at the bowl this recruiting season. Definitely tough given the recent revolving door and Nelson's contract situation. I project that our 3 transfers roughly wind up being Dee Goens 2.0, Greg McCarthy 2.0 and hopefully Rob Champion 2.0. And hoping that they stay thru graduation and are part of the greatest turnaround in program history. Just curious, what is presently the greatest turnaround in program history? Greatest turnaround: ‘73-‘74 8-18 ‘74-‘75 20-8 ? or ‘88-‘89 13-15 ‘89-‘90 24-6 ? or ‘99-‘00 10-18 ‘00-‘01 22-8? Good points to be made for each of them. Let’s hope we have to toss ‘22-‘23 into the discussion.
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Post by dharry13 on May 24, 2022 8:14:48 GMT -5
Time will tell on both kids BBC. Both come from conferences better than PL and the PG had legit minutes. Indiana State is a decent conference for the big man. They don’t make me hugely excited but they covered two big positions of need. Let’s see what they got. Octave interests me more but they covered some bases with all three signings.
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Post by trimster on May 24, 2022 9:35:39 GMT -5
I couldn’t agree more. Let’s wait until Christmas until we begin to offer opinions on the impact the transfers will have on the program.
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Post by hchoops on May 24, 2022 9:39:48 GMT -5
That is 7 months from now What are we going to argue about until then ?
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Post by Ray on May 24, 2022 9:41:49 GMT -5
That is 7 months from now What are we going to argue about until then ? Obviously, we're going to argue about why HC didn't genuflect to Archbishop Molloy in this release.
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Post by trimster on May 24, 2022 9:57:42 GMT -5
I can think of one topic that comes to mind. The initials are BE. That ought to be good for a few pages. Maybe we could start planning a 50 year anniversary party.
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Post by longsuffering on May 24, 2022 10:01:46 GMT -5
Wilbar's history intrigues me; there are many contradictions. You look at his ISU stats, and well, they aren't pretty. Yet, you watch that highlights video, and you see a kid with a decent looking shot behind the arc, pretty good mobility, an ability to finish around the basket with either hand, and able to make a few stops at the rim. Then there's his juco history. He sits out year 1. You would think that would help with a transition into playing. But his year 2 numbers are poor. Was he hurt, or sick? Seems so strange. And yet - his coach thought enough of him to bring him along to D-1 (and a pretty good level of D-1, league wise). My HOPE is the MVC was just a bit too high level for him, and he spent a lot of time playing "rushed". Maybe the PL will be just what the doctor ordered. CBN's coaching life at HC may depend on it. Maybe his coach played head games with him. What kind of coach disses a kid by saying he couldn't get the system after three years playing in it when the coach recruited him to a new school in a new division after the kid had played two years in the system already? People are ready to jump off the Tobin Bridge over BN but at least he doesn't act that way. Roger Clemens after the Red Sox 2003 playoff loss to the Yankees: "There'll be a backup on the Tobin Bridge tonight"
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Post by crosspride on May 25, 2022 8:32:49 GMT -5
Fixing this sentence for you: Neither guy promoted interest from other schools on their personal twitter accounts, or used media members to promote interest. (Tse's tweets a protected/private)The idea that Holy Cross was the only school interested in both of these guys is laughable, even for the staunchest haters. Perhaps these gentlemen are more humble than others. That being said, there's no sugar coating the fact that we were one of the last dogs at the bowl this recruiting season. Definitely tough given the recent revolving door and Nelson's contract situation. I project that our 3 transfers roughly wind up being Dee Goens 2.0, Greg McCarthy 2.0 and hopefully Rob Champion 2.0. And hoping that they stay thru graduation and are part of the greatest turnaround in program history. Haven’t seen a ton of tape on Tse but Wilbar’s game looks nothing like Greg McCarthy’s. Any reason you drew this comparison?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 25, 2022 8:57:12 GMT -5
Perhaps these gentlemen are more humble than others. That being said, there's no sugar coating the fact that we were one of the last dogs at the bowl this recruiting season. Definitely tough given the recent revolving door and Nelson's contract situation. I project that our 3 transfers roughly wind up being Dee Goens 2.0, Greg McCarthy 2.0 and hopefully Rob Champion 2.0. And hoping that they stay thru graduation and are part of the greatest turnaround in program history. Haven’t seen a ton of tape on Tse but Wilbar’s game looks nothing like Greg McCarthy’s. Any reason you drew this comparison? Both tall lanky 6'10+ with soft shooting touch? I haven't watched much tape so very well might not be the best comparison
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Post by hchoops on May 25, 2022 9:04:24 GMT -5
Dee Goens averaged 12 mpg, 1.3 assists and 2.6 ppg off the bench. As Tse currently is the only pg on the roster, we need much, much more than that from him.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 25, 2022 9:46:14 GMT -5
Dee Goens averaged 12 mpg, 1.3 assists and 2.6 ppg off the bench. As Tse currently is the only pg on the roster, we need much, much more than that from him. Imagine Dee Goens but he plays 30mpg instead of 12. I'd take that from Jade.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 25, 2022 9:54:35 GMT -5
I offered the Dee Goens comparison based on productivity, I.e. shooting percentages, assists to turnovers, etc. Extrapolate Dee’s numbers above to the 30 minutes per game that Tse might play and I think we’ll still agree that we will need more…,
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Post by longsuffering on May 25, 2022 10:03:18 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to Louth's continued development. He is one player who improved under our staff. Let's see where he's at during his second full season.
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Post by trimster on May 25, 2022 10:35:21 GMT -5
I know I have been guilty of doing it myself but I think we should stop comparing recruits to former players especially young men who have yet to play a minute of basketball at HC. It really isn’t fair to them and to a lesser extent to the former players especially when the implication is player x didn’t contribute a whole lot statistically to the program.
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Post by longsuffering on May 25, 2022 11:13:05 GMT -5
I know I have been guilty of doing it myself but I think we should stop comparing recruits to former players especially young men who have yet to play a minute of basketball at HC. It really isn’t fair to them and to a lesser extent to the former players especially when the implication is player x didn’t contribute a whole lot statistically to the program. Good point. Even if Tse, for example, has the exact same talent as a previous Crusader who entered HC at 18, we will be getting Jade's years five and six post Bishop Molloy. Wilbar's first season at HC will be his fourth in college basketball. HC BB hasn't had this much maturity since players came back from the War and played on the 1946-47 team. Hope I'm remembering correctly that the '46-47 team had some war veterans on it.
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Post by trimster on May 25, 2022 11:53:47 GMT -5
I know I have been guilty of doing it myself but I think we should stop comparing recruits to former players especially young men who have yet to play a minute of basketball at HC. It really isn’t fair to them and to a lesser extent to the former players especially when the implication is player x didn’t contribute a whole lot statistically to the program. Good point. Even if Tse, for example, has the exact same talent as a previous Crusader who entered HC at 18, we will be getting Jade's years five and six post Bishop Molloy. Wilbar's first season at HC will be his fourth in college basketball. HC BB hasn't had this much maturity since players came back from the War and played on the 1946-47 team. Hope I'm remembering correctly that the '46-47 team had some war veterans on it. I believe you are correct.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 25, 2022 13:57:44 GMT -5
I think a 21 or 22YO is less likely to improve than an 18 or 19YO. My guess is that Caleb Kenney may have a nice upside as a sophomore based on added experience and increased physical maturity. At the other end of the spectrum, Gerrale Gates is our best player but I don’t expect him to be more productive than he was last season. I hope Jade Tse plays extremely well but I don’t see him having a lot of upside due to his age and experience.
One other factor that could come into play for any player , in my opinion as an admitted non-expert, is coaching and change in playing style. Didn’t Ralph talk about AK34 learning “to play within himself” as a sophomore, thus becoming a much better player?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 5, 2022 12:15:44 GMT -5
Wilbar highlights:
Nice explosion to the basket and shooting stroke in the layup lines.
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