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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 10, 2022 16:12:28 GMT -5
Prior to the selection show I, perhaps unrealistically, thought we should be seeded #5. After watching these quarters I have to say we are the 5th best team in the country. Not sure about Sac State, but I think we could beat them so... My power rankings Elite teams 1. SDSU 2. Montana State 3. NDSU Great teams 4. UIW 5. HC 6. Sac State 7. Samford 8. W&M 9. Weber St. 10. Richmond 11. Furman 12. Southeast LA. Good teams 13. Montana 14. UNH 15. Delaware 16. Fordham
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 11, 2022 2:49:07 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Dec 11, 2022 10:16:52 GMT -5
What exactly do these 10 schools get out of being FBS?
When the playoff goes to 12 teams the (now dozens of) leftover bowls are going to mean even less than they do now.
Maybe one or two do very well, drop (or are given) a ton of cash into building big-time facilities, and break away to a better league; that would seem to be the best case scenario.
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 12, 2022 17:02:40 GMT -5
I think it's interesting that, to my recollection, only one (Eastern Kentucky) of the ten teams discussed was in the mix in FCS this year - or at least at the end of the season. To borrow from (and loosely paraphrase) Frank Sinatra, "If you can't make it here, what makes you think you can make it anywhere?"
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Post by efg72 on Dec 12, 2022 17:06:11 GMT -5
Not sure all 10 teams make the move
The next three years will be a crap shoot for conferences
Our destiny must be ours to control!!
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 12, 2022 17:53:36 GMT -5
I think it's interesting that, to my recollection, only one (Eastern Kentucky) of the ten teams discussed was in the mix in FCS this year - or at least at the end of the season. To borrow from (and loosely paraphrase) Frank Sinatra, "If you can't make it here, what makes you think you can make it anywhere?" They probably figure that using the same facilities they'll tap into bigger pay games, sponsorships and TV money.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 13, 2022 13:20:42 GMT -5
Not sure all 10 teams make the move The next three years will be a crap shoot for conferences Our destiny must be ours to control!! If this ferkakta conference is allowed to just simply "declare itself an FBS conference", that sets a wild precedent. In the wake of that, I'd expect the SWAC to immediately do the same thing (at least they technically meet attendance requirements that have never really been enforced). And what's to stop the Missouri Valley Football Conference from just doing the same? They at least prove they belong in FBS as far as on field play and the major teams in that league also draw crowds that would be to G5 standard. Would also create precedent for the creation of an eastern seaboard league with the likes of UCONN, UMASS and Temple in it. Kind of almost sounds like we might as well just go back to "Division I Football" with no subdivisions.
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 13, 2022 22:02:36 GMT -5
Not sure all 10 teams make the move The next three years will be a crap shoot for conferences Our destiny must be ours to control!! If this ferkakta conference is allowed to just simply "declare itself an FBS conference", that sets a wild precedent. In the wake of that, I'd expect the SWAC to immediately do the same thing (at least they technically meet attendance requirements that have never really been enforced). And what's to stop the Missouri Valley Football Conference from just doing the same? They at least prove they belong in FBS as far as on field play and the major teams in that league also draw crowds that would be to G5 standard. Would also create precedent for the creation of an eastern seaboard league with the likes of UCONN, UMASS and Temple in it. Kind of almost sounds like we might as well just go back to "Division I Football" with no subdivisions. You meant to say UCONN, UMess, Holy Cross, Villanova, and Fordham, right?
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 13, 2022 22:12:16 GMT -5
Not sure all 10 teams make the move The next three years will be a crap shoot for conferences Our destiny must be ours to control!! If this ferkakta conference is allowed to just simply "declare itself an FBS conference", that sets a wild precedent. In the wake of that, I'd expect the SWAC to immediately do the same thing (at least they technically meet attendance requirements that have never really been enforced). And what's to stop the Missouri Valley Football Conference from just doing the same? They at least prove they belong in FBS as far as on field play and the major teams in that league also draw crowds that would be to G5 standard. Would also create precedent for the creation of an eastern seaboard league with the likes of UCONN, UMASS and Temple in it. Kind of almost sounds like we might as well just go back to "Division I Football" with no subdivisions. You have to have to bring up the scholarship numbers to 85 at these schools to be FBS.
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Post by hc2020 on Mar 16, 2023 18:12:21 GMT -5
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Post by football44 on Mar 17, 2023 4:54:28 GMT -5
Not sure all 10 teams make the move The next three years will be a crap shoot for conferences Our destiny must be ours to control! The Patriot League will in my opinion fail to survive within the next 5 years. Holy Cross and Fordham need to knock on the CAA’s door soon. They would welcome both with open arms. Please no lowering of academics with this potential move. See Villanova, Richmond, William and Mary.
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Post by trimster on Mar 17, 2023 5:46:44 GMT -5
Curious why you think the PL will not be around in 5 years.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 17, 2023 8:48:20 GMT -5
Lots of words here but I'm not really sure it says much.
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Post by gks on Mar 17, 2023 10:28:20 GMT -5
Not sure all 10 teams make the move The next three years will be a crap shoot for conferences Our destiny must be ours to control! The Patriot League will in my opinion fail to survive within the next 5 years. Holy Cross and Fordham need to knock on the CAA’s door soon. They would welcome both with open arms. Please no lowering of academics with this potential move. See Villanova, Richmond, William and Mary. We can only hope.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 17, 2023 10:36:09 GMT -5
CAA is a non-starter, IMO. Have you seen the size of that league and the geography of it?
Better chance of trying to persuade CAA schools like Maine, UNH, URI, Albany, and Stony Brook (maybe) to leave that conference and link up to create a new league. While we're at it, pull Bryant out of the Big South.
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Post by gks on Mar 17, 2023 11:29:43 GMT -5
CAA is a non-starter, IMO. Have you seen the size of that league and the geography of it? Better chance of trying to persuade CAA schools like Maine, UNH, URI, Albany, and Stony Brook (maybe) to leave that conference and link up to create a new league. While we're at it, pull Bryant out of the Big South. For the forum.... There are plenty of schools across the country very similar to HC in size, etc. Why can they travel all over for athletics but HC can't? Thinking Richmond, Davidson and others.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 17, 2023 11:54:58 GMT -5
CAA is a non-starter, IMO. Have you seen the size of that league and the geography of it? Better chance of trying to persuade CAA schools like Maine, UNH, URI, Albany, and Stony Brook (maybe) to leave that conference and link up to create a new league. While we're at it, pull Bryant out of the Big South. For the forum.... There are plenty of schools across the country very similar to HC in size, etc. Why can they travel all over for athletics but HC can't? Thinking Richmond, Davidson and others. There are some differences in the number of teams and therefore the number of athletes and coaches that need to travel HC has: 12 men's and 13 women's teams Davidson gas: 10 men's and 9 women's teams Richmond has: 7 men's and 9 women's teams Hard to believe that Richmond sponsors so few varsity sports Richmond does not have men's Track & Field, Hockey, Rowing, Swimming & Diving, and is one of the very rare schools without a men's soccer team.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 17, 2023 12:47:04 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 17, 2023 13:08:40 GMT -5
Not sure all 10 teams make the move The next three years will be a crap shoot for conferences Our destiny must be ours to control! The Patriot League will in my opinion fail to survive within the next 5 years. Holy Cross and Fordham need to knock on the CAA’s door soon. They would welcome both with open arms. Please no lowering of academics with this potential move. See Villanova, Richmond, William and Mary. Fordham is not leaving the A-10 anytime soon after they've got a taste of competitive basketball and have Urgo as head coach. And they won't be joining the CAA as a football affiliate because football affiliates are the last thing that conference needs -- there are currently FIFTEEN football schools in the CAA. The CAA just recently went though an aggressive round of expansion bringing in Monmouth, Hampton, North Carolina A&T and Campbell as all-sports members. Fairfield was rumored to have been a schools with mutual interest as a far as CAA membership, but that didn't happen ultimately for whatever reason. Holy Cross could've expressed interest in CAA membership in 2021 when all this was going taking place. We didn't. The show goes on.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 17, 2023 13:11:39 GMT -5
CAA is a non-starter, IMO. Have you seen the size of that league and the geography of it? Better chance of trying to persuade CAA schools like Maine, UNH, URI, Albany, and Stony Brook (maybe) to leave that conference and link up to create a new league. While we're at it, pull Bryant out of the Big South. Bryant is an all-sports member of America East (Big South football). I've mentioned it a couple times but the idea of America East football isn't so far fetched anymore. You already have UNH, Maine, Albany and Bryant as current A-East members sponsoring football. If HC and Merrimack joined then you'd have six all-sports members with football and you bring on Fordham, Stony Brook and URI as football affiliates. And maybe try to convince Fairfield to join the league in all sports. That would be a nice conference IMO. And twist the arms we need to twist to get into Hockey East.
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Post by football44 on Mar 17, 2023 13:14:48 GMT -5
Curious why you think the PL will not be around in 5 years. If you notice that more and more schools are banding together because of the pressures of FBS and Power 5 football. HC has been holding up the torch for the Patriot League for 4 years now. I don't see the likes of Bucknell, Georgetown even Colgate continuing to spend money on football with all of the future changes coming. With our success and that of Fordham, we need to join a solid football League like the CAA to continue selling our football program. Again just my opinion.
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Post by football44 on Mar 17, 2023 13:24:07 GMT -5
The Patriot League will in my opinion fail to survive within the next 5 years. Holy Cross and Fordham need to knock on the CAA’s door soon. They would welcome both with open arms. Please no lowering of academics with this potential move. See Villanova, Richmond, William and Mary. Fordham is not leaving the A-10 anytime soon after they've got a taste of competitive basketball and have Urgo as head coach. And they won't be joining the CAA as a football affiliate because football affiliates are the last thing that conference needs -- there are currently FIFTEEN football schools in the CAA. The CAA just recently went though an aggressive round of expansion bringing in Monmouth, Hampton, North Carolina A&T and Campbell as all-sports members. Fairfield was rumored to have been a schools with mutual interest as a far as CAA membership, but that didn't happen ultimately for whatever reason. Holy Cross could've expressed interest in CAA membership in 2021 when all this was going taking place. We didn't. The show goes on. The show could add two more very successful football programs. No one is talking about basketball. This would be a football only move. Look around the Patriot League and see how many schools are in the league for football but in another league for other sports. (Fordham Basketball, Army/Navy Football, Georgetown Basketball). I personally would love to see this, HC Football (CAA), HC Basketball (A-10 or Big East), Hockey (Hockey East).
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Post by football44 on Mar 17, 2023 13:30:12 GMT -5
For the forum.... There are plenty of schools across the country very similar to HC in size, etc. Why can they travel all over for athletics but HC can't? Thinking Richmond, Davidson and others. There are some differences in the number of teams and therefore the number of athletes and coaches that need to travel HC has: 12 men's and 13 women's teams Davidson gas: 10 men's and 9 women's teams Richmond has: 7 men's and 9 women's teams Hard to believe that Richmond sponsors so few varsity sports Richmond does not have men's Track & Field, Hockey, Rowing, Swimming & Diving, and is one of the very rare schools without a men's soccer team. Maybe it's time for HC to drop some sports.
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 17, 2023 14:21:11 GMT -5
Fordham is not leaving the A-10 anytime soon after they've got a taste of competitive basketball and have Urgo as head coach. And they won't be joining the CAA as a football affiliate because football affiliates are the last thing that conference needs -- there are currently FIFTEEN football schools in the CAA. The CAA just recently went though an aggressive round of expansion bringing in Monmouth, Hampton, North Carolina A&T and Campbell as all-sports members. Fairfield was rumored to have been a schools with mutual interest as a far as CAA membership, but that didn't happen ultimately for whatever reason. Holy Cross could've expressed interest in CAA membership in 2021 when all this was going taking place. We didn't. The show goes on. The show could add two more very successful football programs. No one is talking about basketball. This would be a football only move. Look around the Patriot League and see how many schools are in the league for football but in another league for other sports. (Fordham Basketball, Army/Navy Football, Georgetown Basketball). I personally would love to see this, HC Football (CAA), HC Basketball (A-10 or Big East), Hockey (Hockey East). Think back to the late-70s, when Football regularly played UMass, BC, an Ivy or two, Army, 'Nova, Colgate, BU, Air Force, UConn. At the same time, Basketball was regularly playing BC, Fordham, St. John's, Providence, Seton Hall, Iona, ND, Fairfield, Georgetown. On the one hand, I don't mind the Patriot League, but after 25+ years, have we really developed any true league rivalries? We may have one in one sport, and not in another, but how much different is that from the 70s, when we had real Basketball rivalries that meant nothing in Football, and vice versa? We were essentially an Independent back then. Isn't being a member of different (and appropriate) leagues for different sports pretty much the same? I'd sign us up as described by football44 tomorrow.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 17, 2023 17:05:04 GMT -5
Fordham is not leaving the A-10 anytime soon after they've got a taste of competitive basketball and have Urgo as head coach. And they won't be joining the CAA as a football affiliate because football affiliates are the last thing that conference needs -- there are currently FIFTEEN football schools in the CAA. The CAA just recently went though an aggressive round of expansion bringing in Monmouth, Hampton, North Carolina A&T and Campbell as all-sports members. Fairfield was rumored to have been a schools with mutual interest as a far as CAA membership, but that didn't happen ultimately for whatever reason. Holy Cross could've expressed interest in CAA membership in 2021 when all this was going taking place. We didn't. The show goes on. The show could add two more very successful football programs. No one is talking about basketball. This would be a football only move. Look around the Patriot League and see how many schools are in the league for football but in another league for other sports. (Fordham Basketball, Army/Navy Football, Georgetown Basketball). I personally would love to see this, HC Football (CAA), HC Basketball (A-10 or Big East), Hockey (Hockey East). I'd sign up for such an arragement 7 days a week and twice on Sunday for HC. Issue is CAA isn't looking for football-only affiliates. CAA Football is not going to expand to 17 teams. The only football affiliates in the CAA are the schools that have been in the league since the YanCon days.
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