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Post by longsuffering on Nov 23, 2022 13:44:50 GMT -5
Make a deep run this year and beat Boston College next year. We can then all die and go to heaven and Chesney can go coach at a power 5 school. Chesney rides off into the sunset as King of the Crusaders. Winning Holy Cross' third NCAA National championship in a third sport would have to trump beating BC one more time, but it wouldn't trump much else. Would you trade one round of advancement in a year HC is not fated to win the FCS national championship for one football victory over BC?
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Post by crusader12 on Nov 23, 2022 14:19:42 GMT -5
Make a deep run this year and beat Boston College next year. We can then all die and go to heaven and Chesney can go coach at a power 5 school. Chesney rides off into the sunset as King of the Crusaders. Winning Holy Cross' third NCAA National championship in a third sport would have to trump beating BC one more time, but it wouldn't trump much else. Would you trade one round of advancement in a year HC is not fated to win the FCS national championship for one football victory over BC? Head tells me National Championship. Heart tells me BC.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 23, 2022 14:50:11 GMT -5
Agree. Very unlikely there will be a national championship this year. And next season, very likely with two FBS opponents, HC, even with winning a fifth straight PL championship, may be thankful for the automatic qualifier. Next year's team has the offensive horses, but I think the defense will be porous, particularly if there is no return of Dobbs and Doran. And this year's team was certainly blessed by the one-time return of the fifth-year seniors. What would Fordham's and HC's record have been this year without so many fifth years on the rosters? I also think Chesney is in no rush to ascend to FBS/BCS, until the NIL, transfer-rules, and conference re-alignments settle out. A $1 million salary is not $2 million worth of headaches. What is the logic for fewer fifth year seniors in one of the four covid extra year of eligibility years than another? Scholarship limits. No more than 85 players may be receiving financial aid in any year if the institution awards merit scollies. Even if as I have previously hypothesized, a fifth year senior who is matriculating for the fall semester only and counts as a half scollie (rather than a full scollie) he counts against the 85. And as been noted numerous times before, schools such as GU and the Ivy schools, which only award need-base aid, are not bound by the 85 receiving fin aid cap. I very much doubt that any fifth year senior is paying full freight simply for the opportunity to play another year with his teammates. A player in any Div I sport received an extra year of eligibility if he/she was on the 2019-20 spring roster, the 2020-21 fall roster, or the 2020-21 winter roster. So a school, and the football coach, need to balance the value of experience and skill offered by fifth year seniors with the need to develop mewer players. If you roster 10 fifth year seniors, that's ten fewer rostered players in the freshmen-senior classes receiving fin aid. Someone who has the time can map the participation report for the upcoming second round game against the class year, and see who is getting the playing time. The last of the Covid fifth years will be the 2024-25 roster.
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 23, 2022 15:25:19 GMT -5
That’s not 100% true. Not every one of the 5th year seniors are getting money. No reason to get into who, but not all 13 - or whatever the number is got money to come back. I guess what I’m saying is that it’s not a foregone conclusion they get aid.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 23, 2022 18:12:52 GMT -5
That’s not 100% true. Not every one of the 5th year seniors are getting money. No reason to get into who, but not all 13 - or whatever the number is got money to come back. I guess what I’m saying is that it’s not a foregone conclusion they get aid. I should not have been so conclusive. Now that you mention it, I can think of one possible.. And if a player had never received aid from HC, or very little, then the financial burden of a final semester's cost of attendance is low. There are two players on the roster who are the sons of HC employees, and as such they fall in a gray area as to whether they are counters. Children of HC employees can matriculate at little / no cost, regardless of whether they play a sport. This is a matter of school policy, applied uniformly. IIRC, the conversation back then was specific to Bucknell. myweb.bucknell.edu/administrative-areas/human-resources/benefits-wellness/tuition-programs When the subject of who was a counter against the 85 was discussed at length on the old board, there was a belief, IIRC, that those who received fin aid from an outside source, e.g., the Federal government for ROTC and no direct aid from the school, they were not counters. Also IIRC, a football player who was receiving scollie aid for another sport was a counter for football. Tangential tale. There was a player for Harvard, I think it was football, who received no need-based aid as his family was wealthy. He married in his junior year, and had no income. He matriculated his senior year at Harvard for free.
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Nov 23, 2022 18:18:15 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 23, 2022 18:18:15 GMT -5
That’s not 100% true. Not every one of the 5th year seniors are getting money. No reason to get into who, but not all 13 - or whatever the number is got money to come back. I guess what I’m saying is that it’s not a foregone conclusion they get aid. I should not have been so conclusive. Now that you mention it, I can think of one possible.. And if a player had never received aid from HC, or very little, then the financial burden of a final semester's cost of attendance is low. There are two players on the roster who are the sons of HC employees, and as such they fall in a gray area as to whether they are counters. Children of HC employees can matriculate at little / no cost, regardless of whether they play a sport. This is a matter of school policy, applied uniformly. IIRC, the conversation back then was specific to Bucknell. myweb.bucknell.edu/administrative-areas/human-resources/benefits-wellness/tuition-programs When the subject of who was a counter against the 85 was discussed at length on the old board, there was a belief, IIRC, that those who received fin aid from an outside source, e.g., the Federal government for ROTC and no direct aid from the school, they were not counters. Also IIRC, a football player who was receiving scollie aid for another sport was a counter for football. Tangential tale. There was a player for Harvard, I think it was football, who received no need-based aid as his family was wealthy. He married in his junior year, and had no income. He matriculated his senior year at Harvard for free. That's not how it worked for Ryan O'Neal's character in "Love Story" but that was Harvard Law School, not undergraduate.
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Nov 23, 2022 18:36:11 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Nov 23, 2022 18:36:11 GMT -5
Agree. Very unlikely there will be a national championship this year. And next season, very likely with two FBS opponents, HC, even with winning a fifth straight PL championship, may be thankful for the automatic qualifier. Next year's team has the offensive horses, but I think the defense will be porous, particularly if there is no return of Dobbs and Doran. And this year's team was certainly blessed by the one-time return of the fifth-year seniors. What would Fordham's and HC's record have been this year without so many fifth years on the rosters? I also think Chesney is in no rush to ascend to FBS/BCS, until the NIL, transfer-rules, and conference re-alignments settle out. A $1 million salary is not $2 million worth of headaches. What is the logic for fewer fifth year seniors in one of the four covid extra year of eligibility years than another? I’d assume for the next two years we’ll see a good number of Covid 5th-year kids staying - thus ensuring we’ll be at the top of the PL and also in the national polls. Some years we’ll have more than others. This may have been a larger group (lots of seniors last year). Of course, decisions on returning are a two-way street.
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Nov 23, 2022 18:38:40 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Nov 23, 2022 18:38:40 GMT -5
We have 16 5th year seniors this year. Of the 22 current 4th year seniors, posters in the know have speculated that 8-11 might return as fifth years next season.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Nov 23, 2022 19:25:26 GMT -5
That’s not 100% true. Not every one of the 5th year seniors are getting money. No reason to get into who, but not all 13 - or whatever the number is got money to come back. I guess what I’m saying is that it’s not a foregone conclusion they get aid. I should not have been so conclusive. Now that you mention it, I can think of one possible.. And if a player had never received aid from HC, or very little, then the financial burden of a final semester's cost of attendance is low. There are two players on the roster who are the sons of HC employees, and as such they fall in a gray area as to whether they are counters. Children of HC employees can matriculate at little / no cost, regardless of whether they play a sport. This is a matter of school policy, applied uniformly. IIRC, the conversation back then was specific to Bucknell. myweb.bucknell.edu/administrative-areas/human-resources/benefits-wellness/tuition-programs When the subject of who was a counter against the 85 was discussed at length on the old board, there was a belief, IIRC, that those who received fin aid from an outside source, e.g., the Federal government for ROTC and no direct aid from the school, they were not counters. Also IIRC, a football player who was receiving scollie aid for another sport was a counter for football. Tangential tale. There was a player for Harvard, I think it was football, who received no need-based aid as his family was wealthy. He married in his junior year, and had no income. He matriculated his senior year at Harvard for free. You conclusive and authoritative?
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