cross99
Climbing Mt. St. James
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Post by cross99 on Nov 22, 2022 10:44:58 GMT -5
The past 4 years have been quite the fun ride, playing past Thanksgiving (minus COVID Spring), national rankings, a bye in the playoffs, a playoff win, players getting national attention, the community re-engaging in our football team, overall excitement (I can go on and on). However, I am smart enough to know that HC can only hang onto Chesney for (maybe) another year or so. Question 1: how much longer can HC really hang onto Chesney? Question 2: When the Chesney era ends, do we hire internally, or do we go for a splashy hire?
Please don't view this post as a gloom and doom post or an attempt to not enjoy the moment. The team has a week "off" and Im just looking for some opinions/insight.
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Post by mm67 on Nov 22, 2022 11:05:54 GMT -5
It is another golden era. Live in the moment. Past performance is no guarantee of future success to the same degree. Enjoy the ride.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 22, 2022 11:08:25 GMT -5
Long distance worrying. This is certainly not the time.
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 22, 2022 11:08:28 GMT -5
I'll throw my .02¢ in. Love everything Ches has done at HC. His energy, culture, recruiting, and in-game coaching, especially the last two seasons have been phenomenal. I had this queasy feeling in my gut during the timeout in OT vs. Fordham that we were going to go for 2. As a worrier and a more conservative coach (even in hockey, we were given the option of a PP or a penalty shot in OT and I really wanted to go with the 2 minute PP but my other coach convinced me to go penalty shot and the kid buried it). I think Chesney is here for another year, especially with a number of 5th years and returning players. I think we have a real shot at another run next year, especially if we can patch some defensive holes and protect Matt. I'll let the scenarios play out, but I think I want someone who lives and breathes the culture that Chesney has established, has HC connections, and has a good rapport with the existing team. Now, of course, I want to sign Bob to a 750k+ contract and make him one of or the highest paid coaches in FCS. But, should he depart for an FBS job (which I hope would be a P5 job to leave our beloved school) I vote for coach...headband! Chris Smith.
Now let's worry about Fordham and UNH!!!
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 22, 2022 11:18:52 GMT -5
Agree Chris Smith would be the heir apparent but he is young enough to hang in until BC does eventually move in. I also agree that BC is not leaving either after this season and after the end of next season at the earliest.
If the Crusaders actually achieve their unspoken goal of national champs this season, all bets are off.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 22, 2022 11:19:26 GMT -5
It is another golden era. Live in the moment. Past performance is no guarantee of future success to the same degree. Enjoy the ride. If there was a new head coach in football in the next couple years; he wouldn't be operating under the same constraints that Peter Vaas operated under. So, I'm optimistic about the future. But, yes, enjoy what's happening now as it may not continue.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Nov 22, 2022 11:32:29 GMT -5
The past 4 years have been quite the fun ride, playing past Thanksgiving (minus COVID Spring), national rankings, a bye in the playoffs, a playoff win, players getting national attention, the community re-engaging in our football team, overall excitement (I can go on and on). However, I am smart enough to know that HC can only hang onto Chesney for (maybe) another year or so. Question 1: how much longer can HC really hang onto Chesney? Question 2: When the Chesney era ends, do we hire internally, or do we go for a splashy hire? Please don't view this post as a gloom and doom post or an attempt to not enjoy the moment. The team has a week "off" and Im just looking for some opinions/insight. When it comes to HC football I'm channelling my inner Buddhist and living in the present. Zero interest in speculating about the future when so much is unknown.
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Post by gks on Nov 22, 2022 14:35:47 GMT -5
The past 4 years have been quite the fun ride, playing past Thanksgiving (minus COVID Spring), national rankings, a bye in the playoffs, a playoff win, players getting national attention, the community re-engaging in our football team, overall excitement (I can go on and on). However, I am smart enough to know that HC can only hang onto Chesney for (maybe) another year or so. Question 1: how much longer can HC really hang onto Chesney? Question 2: When the Chesney era ends, do we hire internally, or do we go for a splashy hire? Please don't view this post as a gloom and doom post or an attempt to not enjoy the moment. The team has a week "off" and Im just looking for some opinions/insight. Always fun to talk about the future...have to plan as best you can for it.
1. At this point I think HC is year to year with Chesney.
2. As far as a successor, would love to keep it on the certain staff. However, if Chesney were to leave he might want to take as many staff with him as possible and FBS assistant pay can be quite generous.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 22, 2022 16:08:15 GMT -5
The past 4 years have been quite the fun ride, playing past Thanksgiving (minus COVID Spring), national rankings, a bye in the playoffs, a playoff win, players getting national attention, the community re-engaging in our football team, overall excitement (I can go on and on). However, I am smart enough to know that HC can only hang onto Chesney for (maybe) another year or so. Question 1: how much longer can HC really hang onto Chesney? Question 2: When the Chesney era ends, do we hire internally, or do we go for a splashy hire? Please don't view this post as a gloom and doom post or an attempt to not enjoy the moment. The team has a week "off" and Im just looking for some opinions/insight. Always fun to talk about the future...have to plan as best you can for it.
1. At this point I think HC is year to year with Chesney.
2. As far as a successor, would love to keep it on the certain staff. However, if Chesney were to leave he might want to take as many staff with him as possible and FBS assistant pay can be quite generous. At this point we MAY have two more years of Sluka (his class is the last one with a Covid year) and I’m guessing up to two more years with Bob Chesney.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 22, 2022 16:24:46 GMT -5
I'll throw my .02¢ in. Love everything Ches has done at HC. His energy, culture, recruiting, and in-game coaching, especially the last two seasons have been phenomenal. I had this queasy feeling in my gut during the timeout in OT vs. Fordham that we were going to go for 2. As a worrier and a more conservative coach (even in hockey, we were given the option of a PP or a penalty shot in OT and I really wanted to go with the 2 minute PP but my other coach convinced me to go penalty shot and the kid buried it). I think Chesney is here for another year, especially with a number of 5th years and returning players. I think we have a real shot at another run next year, especially if we can patch some defensive holes and protect Matt. I'll let the scenarios play out, but I think I want someone who lives and breathes the culture that Chesney has established, has HC connections, and has a good rapport with the existing team. Now, of course, I want to sign Bob to a 750k+ contract and make him one of or the highest paid coaches in FCS. But, should he depart for an FBS job (which I hope would be a P5 job to leave our beloved school) I vote for coach...headband! Chris Smith. Now let's worry about Fordham and UNH!!! Buffalo pays head coach Mo Linguist $675,000. $475K base plus $200K additional comp. If that is the level of competition for Coach Chesney, HC could at least compete, I hope.
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Post by Chu Chu on Nov 22, 2022 16:28:55 GMT -5
The future of the coach is important, and we also have to consider that we have been very fortunate to not lose any players to the portal. With 9 players on the Patriot League First Team, that is another scenario that has crossed my mind. Might some of them want to sew their oats on a bigger stage?
My own take on this is that if Chesney sticks around, the players will also, but if he should leave, things could be different.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 22, 2022 18:12:17 GMT -5
We are fortunate that Kalif stops by whenever he can even though Chesney never coached him. The more recent Crusader NFL-ers are also a reminder to the roster that HC FB isn't chopped liver.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 22, 2022 18:27:46 GMT -5
Always fun to talk about the future...have to plan as best you can for it.
1. At this point I think HC is year to year with Chesney.
2. As far as a successor, would love to keep it on the certain staff. However, if Chesney were to leave he might want to take as many staff with him as possible and FBS assistant pay can be quite generous. At this point we MAY have two more years of Sluka (his class is the last one with a Covid year) and I’m guessing up to two more years with Bob Chesney. Say we get three plus Still very young with many years ahead of him, but I think we will need to double his current salary and add incentives for him and the football coaches and staff
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 22, 2022 18:37:39 GMT -5
At this point we MAY have two more years of Sluka (his class is the last one with a Covid year) and I’m guessing up to two more years with Bob Chesney. Say we get three plus Still very young with many years ahead of him, but I think we will need to double his current salary and add incentives for him and the football coaches and staff You raise a good point about incentives. If he has incentives in his current contract he has probably been ringing the bell the last few games. I can't imagine any regular season incentives he would not have reached. And if he has regular season incentives he probably has post season ones, too. He's earned every penny of any possible incentives.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 22, 2022 18:58:22 GMT -5
Does HC or other schools at our level typically have incentive clauses for their coaches?
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Post by matunuck on Nov 22, 2022 19:25:08 GMT -5
In addition to the Chesney hire, what’s been important to me at least is the structure we’ve built around the program. The first-rate facilities, the focus on growing the football endowment and 90-Wide, the apparent strong support of our current president etc are all critical in maintaining a sustained and successful program (defined as many more up seasons with few down ones) in a post-Chesney era. Still more work to do but we are in a far better position now than we were a decade ago when some wanted to ditch the program all together or drop to D-3.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 22, 2022 19:36:53 GMT -5
Does HC or other schools at our level typically have incentive clauses for their coaches? I would think so but check with some of the contracts on file
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Post by efg72 on Nov 22, 2022 19:50:51 GMT -5
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 22, 2022 20:36:31 GMT -5
Mike London was the head coach at UVA when I was a season ticket holder from 2013-2015. Some lean years for the Hoos. I believe they hired him from Richmond. Maybe the incentives were to lure him back to an FCS job? They seem like small incentives. 5k for a playoff win?
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Post by efg72 on Nov 22, 2022 20:50:32 GMT -5
He recruited my son when he was at BC
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 23, 2022 8:17:39 GMT -5
Agree Chris Smith would be the heir apparent but he is young enough to hang in until BC does eventually move in. I also agree that BC is not leaving either after this season and after the end of next season at the earliest. If the Crusaders actually achieve their unspoken goal of national champs this season, all bets are off. Agree. Very unlikely there will be a national championship this year. And next season, very likely with two FBS opponents, HC, even with winning a fifth straight PL championship, may be thankful for the automatic qualifier. Next year's team has the offensive horses, but I think the defense will be porous, particularly if there is no return of Dobbs and Doran. And this year's team was certainly blessed by the one-time return of the fifth-year seniors. What would Fordham's and HC's record have been this year without so many fifth years on the rosters? I also think Chesney is in no rush to ascend to FBS/BCS, until the NIL, transfer-rules, and conference re-alignments settle out. A $1 million salary is not $2 million worth of headaches.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 23, 2022 8:24:32 GMT -5
Agree Chris Smith would be the heir apparent but he is young enough to hang in until BC does eventually move in. I also agree that BC is not leaving either after this season and after the end of next season at the earliest. If the Crusaders actually achieve their unspoken goal of national champs this season, all bets are off. Agree. Very unlikely there will be a national championship this year. And next season, very likely with two FBS opponents, HC, even with winning a fifth straight PL championship, may be thankful for the automatic qualifier. Next year's team has the offensive horses, but I think the defense will be porous, particularly if there is no return of Dobbs and Doran. And this year's team was certainly blessed by the one-time return of the fifth-year seniors. What would Fordham's and HC's record have been this year without so many fifth years on the rosters?I also think Chesney is in no rush to ascend to FBS/BCS, until the NIL, transfer-rules, and conference re-alignments settle out. A $1 million salary is not $2 million worth of headaches. No doubt the respective PL coaches, ADs, admins, and presidents are well aware of this. Agree on all points.
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Post by crusader12 on Nov 23, 2022 13:07:27 GMT -5
Make a deep run this year and beat Boston College next year. We can then all die and go to heaven and Chesney can go coach at a power 5 school. Chesney rides off into the sunset as King of the Crusaders.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 23, 2022 13:40:36 GMT -5
Agree Chris Smith would be the heir apparent but he is young enough to hang in until BC does eventually move in. I also agree that BC is not leaving either after this season and after the end of next season at the earliest. If the Crusaders actually achieve their unspoken goal of national champs this season, all bets are off. Agree. Very unlikely there will be a national championship this year. And next season, very likely with two FBS opponents, HC, even with winning a fifth straight PL championship, may be thankful for the automatic qualifier. Next year's team has the offensive horses, but I think the defense will be porous, particularly if there is no return of Dobbs and Doran. And this year's team was certainly blessed by the one-time return of the fifth-year seniors. What would Fordham's and HC's record have been this year without so many fifth years on the rosters? I also think Chesney is in no rush to ascend to FBS/BCS, until the NIL, transfer-rules, and conference re-alignments settle out. A $1 million salary is not $2 million worth of headaches. What is the logic for fewer fifth year seniors in one of the four covid extra year of eligibility years than another?
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Nov 23, 2022 13:42:39 GMT -5
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Post by hcgrad94 on Nov 23, 2022 13:42:39 GMT -5
Agree. Very unlikely there will be a national championship this year. And next season, very likely with two FBS opponents, HC, even with winning a fifth straight PL championship, may be thankful for the automatic qualifier. Next year's team has the offensive horses, but I think the defense will be porous, particularly if there is no return of Dobbs and Doran. And this year's team was certainly blessed by the one-time return of the fifth-year seniors. What would Fordham's and HC's record have been this year without so many fifth years on the rosters? I also think Chesney is in no rush to ascend to FBS/BCS, until the NIL, transfer-rules, and conference re-alignments settle out. A $1 million salary is not $2 million worth of headaches. What is the logic for less fifth year seniors in one of the four covid extra year of eligibility years than another? Absolutely no reason - we can/should hop/expect similar 5th year numbers for next few years. And no reason kids at places like Colgate and Lafayette could do the same thing, but based on Twitter they are mostly taking their respective degrees and looking elsewhere to complete their eligibility.
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