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Post by jaredcurry on Mar 20, 2023 16:01:40 GMT -5
Kit is hosting a webinar this Thursday for just hoop Alumni, which I think is great. The meeting will provide an update about the program, and he also provided a link for us to forward questions beforehand. If you would like me to ask certain questions let me know, for I believe some of you deserve insight as much as anyone else.
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Post by saderfan2020 on Mar 20, 2023 16:14:29 GMT -5
absolutely amazing move by Kit imo.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 20, 2023 16:18:51 GMT -5
It sounds like KH values the opinions of basketball alums, and all alums, which is great. He's doing a good job in my view. Hopefully he hits a home run with the hoop hire (sorry for the mixed metaphor).
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Post by hchoops on Mar 20, 2023 16:34:52 GMT -5
Jared,
Someone will most likely ask this, but if not
Ask if he would prioritize the qualities he is looking for in this hire for a new coach ?
Thank you.
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Post by trimster on Mar 21, 2023 4:34:12 GMT -5
Thanks for doing this JC. Please ask him if he has a vision for HC basketball. Thanks again.
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Post by matunuck on Mar 21, 2023 7:37:38 GMT -5
My two cents:
"Is there recognition among the school's leadership that a successful basketball program, along with other things, can enhance the school's national branding? Greater national awareness is noted in the strategic plan HC just released."
Thank you.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2023 8:21:56 GMT -5
I suspect KH will raise the subject of having a 90-wide program for men's hoops, and ask the hoops alums for help in bringing that about.
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Post by Ray on Mar 21, 2023 8:32:53 GMT -5
I suspect KH will raise the subject of having a 90-wide program for men's hoops, and ask the hoops alums for help in bringing that about. Sure, that's likely the eventual ask from KH here. But he may also be realizing that there is more basic blocking and tackling (wrong sport, I know) to do in terms of re-engaging with this population and making them feel like a valued part of the program, in order to make the hoops equivalent of 90-wide successful.
For instance, at Winter Homecoming when the anniversaries of prior championship teams were honored, the lack of representation from many of the anniversary teams was striking. Other than Ron Perry Sr and Father Markey, IIRC the only hoop alum who participated was Kevin Hamilton. There was more than a little speculation in the bleachers that day that the hoop alums were voicing their dissatisfaction with the state of the program via their absence.
So, Kit may have some fence-mending to do. This sounds like a good first step. And obviously the new coach will need to be involved in steps 2, 3, 4....
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2023 8:51:43 GMT -5
I suspect KH will raise the subject of having a 90-wide program for men's hoops, and ask the hoops alums for help in bringing that about. Sure, that's likely the eventual ask from KH here. But he may also be realizing that there is more basic blocking and tackling (wrong sport, I know) to do in terms of re-engaging with this population and making them feel like a valued part of the program, in order to make the hoops equivalent of 90-wide successful.
For instance, at Winter Homecoming when the anniversaries of prior championship teams were honored, the lack of representation from many of the anniversary teams was striking. Other than Ron Perry Sr and Father Markey, IIRC the only hoop alum who participated was Kevin Hamilton. There was more than a little speculation in the bleachers that day that the hoop alums were voicing their dissatisfaction with the state of the program via their absence.
So, Kit may have some fence-mending to do. This sounds like a good first step. And obviously the new coach will need to be involved in steps 2, 3, 4....
The distance between the basketball community writ large and HC is not of recent origin. When HC was raising money for Luth by offering naming rights, the football coaches suite was named, the equipment room was named, the 'auditorium' was named, an atrium was named, etc. Blaney Court was named reflecting the generous gift from the class of '61, Blaney's class. To my knowledge, neither the hoop coaches' suites nor the BB team locker rooms are named. |
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Post by nhteamer on Mar 21, 2023 9:03:30 GMT -5
Speaking of 90 wide
LArry Doyle should be int the HC athletic H of F
I am 100% serious
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Post by jaredcurry on Mar 21, 2023 9:13:23 GMT -5
Something everyone needs to understand when it comes to Alumni involvement (specifically ex-players/alumni), is that most want nothing to do with “helping”. That is not Kits fault, or even the school itself. When you are part of a program that has done nothing but lose for 4 years, it is almost impossible to look back at your experience and remember anything positive or joyful. I am not being dramatic when I’d say most guys will look back and consider it a traumatic experience, 4 years of constant stress and humiliation. There are zero lasting relationships, zero lessons learned, and the thought of going back to support and or give money is outrageous. Sadly, the reason alumni support is slim on the hoop side is because most don’t want to re-live those 4 years again. This is why the right coach this time is INCREDIBLY important, it’s not a surprise that the most passionate supporters coming from winning years.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 21, 2023 9:22:34 GMT -5
Sure, that's likely the eventual ask from KH here. But he may also be realizing that there is more basic blocking and tackling (wrong sport, I know) to do in terms of re-engaging with this population and making them feel like a valued part of the program, in order to make the hoops equivalent of 90-wide successful.
For instance, at Winter Homecoming when the anniversaries of prior championship teams were honored, the lack of representation from many of the anniversary teams was striking. Other than Ron Perry Sr and Father Markey, IIRC the only hoop alum who participated was Kevin Hamilton. There was more than a little speculation in the bleachers that day that the hoop alums were voicing their dissatisfaction with the state of the program via their absence.
So, Kit may have some fence-mending to do. This sounds like a good first step. And obviously the new coach will need to be involved in steps 2, 3, 4....
The distance between the basketball community writ large and HC is not of recent origin. When HC was raising money for Luth by offering naming rights, the football coaches suite was named, the equipment room was named, the 'auditorium' was named, an atrium was named, etc. Blaney Court was named reflecting the generous gift from the class of '61, Blaney's class. To my knowledge, neither the hoop coaches' suites nor the BB team locker rooms are named. Some faulty research,PP The Bill Doran team room is a prominent feature at the Luth. |
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Post by football44 on Mar 21, 2023 10:38:56 GMT -5
Something everyone needs to understand when it comes to Alumni involvement (specifically ex-players/alumni), is that most want nothing to do with “helping”. That is not Kits fault, or even the school itself. When you are part of a program that has done nothing but lose for 4 years, it is almost impossible to look back at your experience and remember anything positive or joyful. I am not being dramatic when I’d say most guys will look back and consider it a traumatic experience, 4 years of constant stress and humiliation. There are zero lasting relationships, zero lessons learned, and the thought of going back to support and or give money is outrageous. Sadly, the reason alumni support is slim on the hoop side is because most don’t want to re-live those 4 years again. This is why the right coach this time is INCREDIBLY important, it’s not a surprise that the most passionate supporters coming from winning years. I agree with Jared. It is very hard to extend support both financially and emotionally when your favorite program has been down and out for as long as our basketball program has been. There is no doubt that the excitement and the involvement financially from the football alumni has lots to do with Coach Chesney and the winning program that he and his staff have put together. I agree that KH has a big job ahead of him in picking the next BBall coach. As a football alumnus, I long for a successful basketball program. There is nothing like bringing football recruits into a packed Hart Center during the recruiting weekend to show them the true HC spirit. |
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 21, 2023 10:55:23 GMT -5
The distance between the basketball community writ large and HC is not of recent origin. When HC was raising money for Luth by offering naming rights, the football coaches suite was named, the equipment room was named, the 'auditorium' was named, an atrium was named, etc. Blaney Court was named reflecting the generous gift from the class of '61, Blaney's class. To my knowledge, neither the hoop coaches' suites nor the BB team locker rooms are named. Some faulty research,PP The Bill Doran team room is a prominent feature at the Luth. There were a number of MBB alums who gave substantial money for the Blaney Gym, and don't forget that there's a room with Togo's name on it (again from MBB alums). Slipping my mind right now, but I'm thinking the Togo space might be the MBB film room. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 21, 2023 11:01:54 GMT -5
The Basketball Film Room (HC MBB and HC WBB) is named after Togo. I was in the room when he gave a speech at the dedication in April 2018.
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 21, 2023 11:47:01 GMT -5
The Basketball Film Room (HC MBB and HC WBB) is named after Togo. I was in the room when he gave a speech at the dedication in April 2018. As was I! How did I miss you? |
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Post by Tom on Mar 21, 2023 12:05:25 GMT -5
Does every room need a name attached to it?
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 21, 2023 12:17:45 GMT -5
Ask Kit if he even knows who Andy Sachs is? It would not be polite to ask him if he feels he risks his reputation among D-1 AD's if he hires a Community College Coach. I don't want to put you in that position as it's a loaded question anyway. But it's an interesting concept.
I like Andy for a couple if reasons. 1) he's obviously an excellent coach and 2) HC might get him at a fair but below market salary and use the savings to extend Coach Riga before he becomes too expensive or we lose him.
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Post by saderfan2020 on Mar 21, 2023 12:20:58 GMT -5
Does every room need a name attached to it? for funding purposes, essentially yea. Most schools do this. |
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Post by sader81 on Mar 21, 2023 12:21:22 GMT -5
Something everyone needs to understand when it comes to Alumni involvement (specifically ex-players/alumni), is that most want nothing to do with “helping”. That is not Kits fault, or even the school itself. When you are part of a program that has done nothing but lose for 4 years, it is almost impossible to look back at your experience and remember anything positive or joyful. I am not being dramatic when I’d say most guys will look back and consider it a traumatic experience, 4 years of constant stress and humiliation. There are zero lasting relationships, zero lessons learned, and the thought of going back to support and or give money is outrageous. Sadly, the reason alumni support is slim on the hoop side is because most don’t want to re-live those 4 years again. This is why the right coach this time is INCREDIBLY important, it’s not a surprise that the most passionate supporters coming from winning years. One of the only positive things that can happen when you lose is how close you can get to your teammates. It gets lonely when you are losing, and your teammates often are the only ones there to pick you up. You learn a lot about people, a lot about relationships, and you find out who your friends are. Still, I’d much rather win! |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 21, 2023 12:27:04 GMT -5
Jared- I’d love to know the AD’s thoughts on whether the success that our football program is enjoying encourages him to look at highly successful D2 and D3 head coaches as potential candidates for the MBB head coach job.
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Post by Tom on Mar 21, 2023 13:41:41 GMT -5
Does every room need a name attached to it? for funding purposes, essentially yea. Most schools do this. Last I looked, the upstairs bathroom did not have any name attached. I bet I could get that one for short money. (I did not play basketball at HC) |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2023 14:25:15 GMT -5
Does every room need a name attached to it? Re: the team meeting room, the one with 100+ seats, is called the Bill Doran Auditorium. I was unaware the basketball 'film' room, which seats about 20, being named for Palazzi. The list of named 'rooms' can be found here: goholycross.com/news/2020/5/12/athletics-hart-center-at-the-luth-athletic-complex.aspxThe list is incomplete, as there is no mention of the Palazzi room. From a T&G article that was reprinted in Athletic Business: As Luth was being built, the Office of Advancement had a list of rooms available for naming, and a suggested gift amount for the naming rights. To my knowledge, only the classes of '61 and '62 made 'naming' gifts. The Class of '62 named a conference room, the largest conference room in Luth and which overlooks the Hart Court, after the Class. The room is located in the Athletic Director's suite of offices. I don't know whether St. Ignatius of Loyola field at Luth is a placeholder. As the saying goes, 'money' talks', and for the right gift, it is not as if they'd need to de-consecrate the field to rename it |
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Post by football44 on Mar 21, 2023 14:46:27 GMT -5
My two cents: "Is there recognition among the school's leadership that a successful basketball program, along with other things, can enhance the school's national branding? Greater national awareness is noted in the strategic plan HC just released." Thank you. See Holy Cross Football for the answer to your question about national awareness. You can believe that VR is supportive of the national branding of Men's Basketball. I've never seen a college president cut down the net at a basketball game like he did when the women beat BU. |
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Post by alum on Mar 21, 2023 14:54:28 GMT -5
My two cents: "Is there recognition among the school's leadership that a successful basketball program, along with other things, can enhance the school's national branding? Greater national awareness is noted in the strategic plan HC just released." Thank you. See Holy Cross Football for the answer to your question about national awareness. You can believe that VR is supportive of the national branding of Men's Basketball. I've never seen a college president cut down the net at a basketball game like he did when the women beat BU. That was great. I remember when we had some concerns about him when he indicated, shortly after being hired, that he was more of a hiking than team sports kind of guy. VR is all in. |
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