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Post by princetoncrusader on Mar 23, 2023 20:58:51 GMT -5
Have to believe the bequest from Ms. Williams and the enhanced financial aid packages is also a factor. Good discussion overall.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 23, 2023 22:34:48 GMT -5
Saw HC sent out press that applications were up 23% and portion of admitted students to applicants down 15% from 2022. The "Flutie Effect" is real. More like the COVID effect of pushing down applications in the last few years?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 23, 2023 22:39:07 GMT -5
Saw HC sent out press that applications were up 23% and portion of admitted students to applicants down 15% from 2022. The "Flutie Effect" is real. More like the COVID effect of pushing down applications in the last few years? What was unh’s acceptance rate?
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 23, 2023 22:42:35 GMT -5
More like the COVID effect of pushing down applications in the last few years? What was unh’s acceptance rate? I don't care as that isn't the topic of the thread. Stop changing the subject.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 24, 2023 4:58:14 GMT -5
In my view the "Flutie effect" was time limited. Flutie brought enormous good attention to BC, and as a result high school kids around the country wanted to go there. As the applicant pool got larger BC became more selective and admitted better students. The academic improvement had its own momentum which no longer depended on Flutie or football. BC became prestigious academically and good students wanted to go there and still do. The endowment goes up, you hire better professors, you build new buildings. When my uncle (a quadruple eagle) went to BC anyone could get in, and when I applied it was my safe (very safe) school, but when my niece (a straight A student) applied it was very hard to get into (which she did). I imagine the new folks in HC's admissions office have brought its efforts into the 21st century, plus the success of the football team, plus the PPAC and the Luth and a beautiful campus all have something to do with it. More, please. Let's double the endowment and double the applications. I'll volunteer to help read applications. I agree. No doubt BC saw a jump in apps in the mid—80’s and sports (Flutie football and Big East basketball) played a part. BC had seen a similar jump in the late 70’s unrelated to sports. And BC saw later jumps after the 80’s unrelated to football/basketball exposure. Similar application increases occurred at Northeastern and BU shortly after the 80’s when neither had much football/basketball exposure or success at all. Reputations changed for the better for all three Boston-area schools over the last 35 years for a variety of reasons. Your point is well taken that our recent application jumps (last cycle and this current cycle) are the result of efforts in many directions.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 24, 2023 6:37:46 GMT -5
What was unh’s acceptance rate? I don't care as that isn't the topic of the thread. Stop changing the subject. Sorry I struck a nerve.
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Post by alum on Mar 24, 2023 8:26:33 GMT -5
Saw HC sent out press that applications were up 23% and portion of admitted students to applicants down 15% from 2022. The "Flutie Effect" is real. More like the COVID effect of pushing down applications in the last few years? Except see PP's post that shows schools, including BC, with small declines in applications.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 24, 2023 8:28:03 GMT -5
About ten years ago, the re-accreditation committee for HC, which, IIRC, was headed by the President of Bates, explicitly cautioned the College that it needed to broaden the applicant pool. HC was overly dependent on a demographic pool in the Northeast that was in decline. And the College responded, 'Yea, verily.' and began to take steps to broaden the outreach. But I have a sense that the world beyond the Northeast was terra incognita for the head of admissions. And with the onset of COVID, there was a retreat to familiar waters.
For the class of 2024, which entered remotely in the fall of 2020, 56 percent were residents of Massachusetts. This was the class that had 80+ students defer their enrollment for a year. However, those who did enroll, committed by May, prior to the decision on having a fall semester with remote classes.
For the class of 2025, eight percent of the enrolling class had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below. I daresay that was unprecedented. I still have no explanation for how this happened.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 25, 2023 0:02:52 GMT -5
I don't care as that isn't the topic of the thread. Stop changing the subject. Sorry I struck a nerve. I could care less what UNH does or not...you CHANGED the subject.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 25, 2023 6:27:06 GMT -5
I could care less what UNH does or not...you CHANGED the subject. I think you mean “could not.”
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 25, 2023 8:06:26 GMT -5
I could care less what UNH does or not...you CHANGED the subject. Your new practice of incorporating ALL CAPS in a couple of recent posts has made you even more annoying. I did not think that was possible.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 25, 2023 9:18:23 GMT -5
For the class of 2025, eight percent of the enrolling class had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below. I daresay that was unprecedented. I still have no explanation for how this happened. Students generally and wisely don’t report lowish SAT scores to HC. Why would they given ‘test score optional’ realities? But it is interesting 8% of the enrolling students did. (Of course, many more could have similar but unreported scores.) I believe the 2025 group had a very high selection rate (43%)
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 25, 2023 13:04:59 GMT -5
For the class of 2025, eight percent of the enrolling class had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below. I daresay that was unprecedented. I still have no explanation for how this happened. Students generally and wisely don’t report lowish SAT scores to HC. Why would they given ‘test score optional’ realities? But it is interesting 8% of the enrolling students did. (Of course, many more could have similar but unreported scores.) I believe the 2025 group had a very high selection rate (43%) Class of 2025 acceptance rate was 42.8 percent. 0.9 percent had a composite SAT score between 400-599. 4.9 percent had a score between 600-799 2.2 percent had a score between 800-999 HC would get SAT scores for recruited athletes, because of the clearinghouse. IIRC, the Common App has a section for self-reporting SAT scores. I assume an applicant to HC can opt out with respect to HC considering the scores reported in the Common App. Foreign applicants for whom English is not their native language take the TOEFL test. It is impossible to have a composite SAT score under 600 and also have an AI score of 168 or higher, 168 being the AI floor for the PL. An unweighted GPA of 4.0 and a SAT composite of 600 = an AI score of 137. A 4.0 GPA and a SAT composite score of 950 = an AI of 172. I suppose there is a possibility that in constructing the school-wide AI score, HC included the standardized test scores of all enrolled students (as it is supposed to do) and erroneously included these low scores in the CDS, even though they were not considered by HC during the admissions process. No admitted applicant in either the class of 2024 or 2026 had a composite SAT score of less than 1,000. --------------------- Five applicants were admitted off the waiting list for the class of 2025,
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Post by crusader1970 on Mar 25, 2023 14:14:12 GMT -5
About ten years ago, the re-accreditation committee for HC, which, IIRC, was headed by the President of Bates, explicitly cautioned the College that it needed to broaden the applicant pool. HC was overly dependent on a demographic pool in the Northeast that was in decline. And the College responded, 'Yea, verily.' and began to take steps to broaden the outreach. But I have a sense that the world beyond the Northeast was terra incognita for the head of admissions. And with the onset of COVID, there was a retreat to familiar waters. For the class of 2024, which entered remotely in the fall of 2020, 56 percent were residents of Massachusetts. This was the class that had 80+ students defer their enrollment for a year. However, those who did enroll, committed by May, prior to the decision on having a fall semester with remote classes. For the class of 2025, eight percent of the enrolling class had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below. I daresay that was unprecedented. I still have no explanation for how this happened.Here's an educated guess on how that might have happened.
Since HC is SAT optional, these students were accepted to the college based on their HS academic record. However, the NCAA has historically required that incoming students who will be participating in Div I and Div II sports must submit their scores to the NCAA to verify that they have met the minimum standards, Perhaps most of this 8% group was comprised of these recruited athletes.
From the article below, the NCAA seems to have recently eliminated this requirement.
I am clearly not an expert in this requirement but am merely suggesting that this may have had something to do with these lower SAT scores.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 25, 2023 15:00:53 GMT -5
/\ /\ Another explanation is that they were regularly accepted students with high GPA and ‘interest’ in a year we accepted 43%.
Or they were ED (with high GPA and ‘interest’) in a year we had very few ED applicants and nevertheless accepted 80% of our ED applicants.
Or they were wait list kids (with high GPA and ‘interest’) in a year we accepted 43% of applicants.
Or they were recruited athletes obligated to submit test scores.
Or a mixture of the above.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 25, 2023 16:16:23 GMT -5
ED numbers for the class of 2025 were 362 applied, 296 accepted. (82 percent)
The NCAA had waived the submission of standardized tests scores for student-athletes who would be applying for the class of 2025, entering in the fall of 2021. Reference is made to this continuing a policy first established in the spring/summer of 2020. ---------------------
Other possible explanations. > These were legacy admits. > These were need-based admits from Greater Worcester > Erroneous calculations resulting from a hybrid workplace, and little/no edit checks > Malevolence
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 11, 2023 16:42:22 GMT -5
So, IMHO, when we see the admissions improvements, it is analogous to what they say about airplane crashes, "it is almost never a result of one factor but a combination of factors."
A change in the Admissions Office leadership; bounce back from Covid; football success; improved and amazing facilities with more planned in the short-term future (PPAC, The Jo, Townhouse dorms, Luth, etc.); and, yes, a lay president for those who think we had a seminary because a Jesuit priest was running the place. Please, not political, but even all the Anthony Fauci press MIGHT have some part in this. Undoubtedly, one or more of these factors influenced potential applicants.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 11, 2023 18:00:46 GMT -5
A Fairfield Jesuit once said that he loved teaching college. He said that "the students never got older and the moms got younger looking every year"
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 11, 2023 19:32:51 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2023 23:58:30 GMT -5
Just heard from Bo today...great to find a message on my answering machine. I am all smiles literally! The 1990's faxed. They want the answering machine back.🤣 But I know what you mean. I was actually in when Jalen Coker called. It's a good initiative.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 12, 2023 6:27:07 GMT -5
Don't you still have your answering machine? We had a rotary phone into the 1980s.
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Post by JRGNYR on Apr 12, 2023 7:40:59 GMT -5
What will be wildly interesting to watch is how applications and enrollments start responding in about 3-4 years. That's when kids born in 2008 will reach college age. The birth rate in the country still hasn't quite recovered from the decline precipitated by the onset of the 2007-08 financial crisis. I haven't read up on it too much lately, but that's been quietly tracked by colleges and universities. There will be presumably a correlating decrease in applications, so institutions looking to maintain their selectivity will have to accept fewer students and enrollments will go down and all the associated fallout that comes with that - lower incoming dollars, fewer heads in beds, the necessity to cut expenses, etc.
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Post by mm67 on Apr 12, 2023 7:48:57 GMT -5
History 101: Causation is multiple. But, one always tries to identify a primary cause, the most important cause thus providing a focus for further action.Change in the admissions office; Covid bounce back; improved facilities; new lay president; the Fauci Effect... I'll add improved outreach to clarify admissions... All of these certainly factored into a larger applicant pool. But, I think it is necessary to identify the most important factor(s) to help decide more efficient allocation of resources and get more bang for the buck. Not to be political I expect the Fauci effect will be short lived unless the school finds a way to build on it with some sort of special health science initiative to attract top quality students. However, this initiative might have more to do with improving the already high academic profile of the applicant pool. Athletics certainly helps. But TBT at our level FCS, Mid-Major the impact is limited. Admissions outreach & President VR's dynamic forward thinking leadership have been quite important. Maybe, Coach Ches said it best in the simplest most straightforward way. With some additions, market the school as: HC is a school where a student can have it all: Great academics in a caring supportive community on a beautiful campus in beautiful & accessible New England with a wide variety of successful activities & athletic teams. (In our case size does matter. Small is better than large.)
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