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Post by HC92 on May 26, 2023 16:51:44 GMT -5
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Post by dadominate on May 28, 2023 8:19:44 GMT -5
Take the family out to the ballgame to see Mookie Betts, Clayton Kershaw, Paul Goldschmidt, and the sisters of perpetual indulgence. Fun for the whole family. I don't know if you have kids, but if you do, you will find that when you take them to a game, one watches every pitch, one asks when it will be time to go home, one asks for food all day, one has to go to the bathroom and one talks to the people around you. When kids ask about someone who does not dress or act like some to whom they are accustomed, you explain it to them and they move on. Hatred and bigotry is a learned taste.exposing children to overtly sexual material is also a learned taste. fortunately for my family and me, it's not one that we've learned. nor is openly disparaging the catholic church or any other religion. if you and your family are cool with it, go right ahead and have your kids and grandkids sign up for a drag queen lapdance and mock nuns and others who have dedicated their lives to Jesus. that's your right. just don't expect everyone else to be okay with this type of thing and labeling those who disagree as "hatred and bigotry" is the epitome of intolerance. personally, i'm glad an organization has finally stood up against the anti-catholic bias that is so pervasive today.
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Post by mm67 on May 28, 2023 8:43:16 GMT -5
Honestly, I do not understand what mocking nuns has to do with trans people celebrating their lives or protesting discrimination. Why mock nuns? Parade, smile dance, whatever but why parody & subject others to ridicule? If you want to criticize nuns, demonstrate, picket in front of a convent. Of course the thought of picketing a convent is ridiculous, so is an offensive & hurtful parody. Why try to hurt nuns? Obviously, free country & all that but I don't get it. Just because one has the right does mean not one has to do it! As for me, I merely want to go to a ballgame & enjoy w/ family & friends.
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Post by alum on May 30, 2023 7:30:34 GMT -5
I don't know if you have kids, but if you do, you will find that when you take them to a game, one watches every pitch, one asks when it will be time to go home, one asks for food all day, one has to go to the bathroom and one talks to the people around you. When kids ask about someone who does not dress or act like some to whom they are accustomed, you explain it to them and they move on. Hatred and bigotry is a learned taste.exposing children to overtly sexual material is also a learned taste. fortunately for my family and me, it's not one that we've learned. nor is openly disparaging the catholic church or any other religion. if you and your family are cool with it, go right ahead and have your kids and grandkids sign up for a drag queen lapdance and mock nuns and others who have dedicated their lives to Jesus. that's your right. just don't expect everyone else to be okay with this type of thing and labeling those who disagree as "hatred and bigotry" is the epitome of intolerance. personally, i'm glad an organization has finally stood up against the anti-catholic bias that is so pervasive today. Nobody is making anyone bring children to a drag show. This group wasn't going to perform a drag show at Dodgers Stadium. They were going to go out on a field and get an award. Perhaps they were going to go out on the field wearing clothes that are not consistent with what people would expect, but that has nothing to do with sex (using it as a verb here, like intercourse or oral sex or anal sex.) Don't you think that a nonbinary person should get to see people who look like him/her/they get awards, too? As to the mocking of the Catholic Church, I think that the organization which 20% of Americans call home can handle a little mocking. And, as I posted before, if it stopped promoting bigotry, it would find that people didn't criticize it as much. Since you apparently believe that relgions should call the shots as to what can be said and done and when this can happen, I guess you agreed that the Muslim students should have been allowed to get the professor fired at Hamline. www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/art-professor-sues-firing-showing-prophet-muhammad-images-rcna66250 I thought that was idiotic because the professor warned she was going to show a picture of Muhammed.
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Post by Tom on May 30, 2023 9:48:06 GMT -5
. And, as I posted before, if it stopped promoting bigotry, it would find that people didn't criticize it as much. One might argue there is a difference between saying a certain activity is wrong and promoting bigotry
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Post by alum on May 30, 2023 11:25:29 GMT -5
There are plenty of sins. Why do they spend so much time on ones having to do with how people love each other and how they choose to see themselves?
The Church is slow to come around to the rights of the marginalized. See the behavior of Pius XI and XII as to the Jews in Italy. To be fair, Pius XI came around to a degree as he was dying and prepared an enyclical on the topic with the help of an American Jesuit. When he died before he could deliver it, Pius XII buried it. Bits and pieces of it were around for decades and the text was recently released. See David Kertzer's books on these two papacies for a fascinating discussion.
The American Catholic Church was slower than it should have been on race as well. There were segregated Catholic schools in Alabama into the early 1960s.
If you want to learn about the Church being actually attacked, join me in reading the recently published, A Fever in the Heartland, by Timothy Egan. It is the story of the Klan in Indiana and elsewhere in the Midwest in the early 1920s and spends a good amount of time on the attacks on the Church. It includes details about the Klan's attempt to seize Notre Dame and the students actions in literally fighting them off.
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Post by Chu Chu on May 30, 2023 11:32:51 GMT -5
There are plenty of sins. Why do they spend so much time on ones having to do with how people love each other and how they choose to see themselves? The Church is slow to come around to the rights of the marginalized. See the behavior of Pius XI and XII as to the Jews in Italy. To be fair, Pius XI came around to a degree as he was dying and prepared an enyclical on the topic with the help of an American Jesuit. When he died before he could deliver it, Pius XII buried it. Bits and pieces of it were around for decades and the text was recently released. See David Kertzer's books on these two papacies for a fascinating discussion. The American Catholic Church was slower than it should have been on race as well. There were segregated Catholic schools in Alabama into the early 1960s. If you want to learn about the Church being actually attacked, join me in reading the recently published, A Fever in the Heartland, by Timothy Egan. It is the story of the Klan in Indiana and elsewhere in the Midwest in the early 1920s and spends a good amount of time on the attacks on the Church. It includes details about the Klan's attempt to seize Notre Dame and the students actions in literally fighting them off. Alum, I just started reading A Fever in the Heartland, by Timothy Egan last week. I thought that I already knew a lot about the Klan, but I was wrong. I agree with your recommendation. It is a well documented, enthralling tale, in the spirit of Egan's previous great works of history, such as The Big Burn, The Worst Hard Times and The Gentle Rain.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 30, 2023 11:48:22 GMT -5
“It includes details about the Klan's attempt to seize Notre Dame and the students actions in literally fighting them off.” Is this the reason for the nickname of the sports teams at Notre Dame? I have been told several times, including trips to the campus, that is so. Also, the Klan attempted to take control of Valparaiso University. blog.history.in.gov/ku-klux-u-how-the-klan-almost-bought-a-university/
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Post by alum on May 30, 2023 12:02:55 GMT -5
“It includes details about the Klan's attempt to seize Notre Dame and the students actions in literally fighting them off.” Is this the reason for the nickname of the sports teams at Notre Dame? I have been told several times, including trips to the campus, that is so. Also, the Klan attempted to take control of Valparaiso University. blog.history.in.gov/ku-klux-u-how-the-klan-almost-bought-a-university/Yes, it appears that was the reason. The Valparaiso attempt is also covered in the book.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 30, 2023 14:09:52 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on May 30, 2023 14:19:49 GMT -5
Not sure he should be talking about anything when he steals other people's work and posts it on his own social media
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Post by bfoley82 on May 30, 2023 14:58:27 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on May 30, 2023 15:08:06 GMT -5
As to Maggie Hendricks' point three...in NJ funds were being raised bu the Church for retired priests and deacons but, initially, not for sisters. The "official line" was it was not needed since the women would be supported by their own individual order. That was a load of crap (as the average age those sisters is quickly rising with few new/younger members)' My wife and a friend (a local sister) started a campaign to include women in that fund. Faced with yet another scandal, reduced contributions, and negative publicity, the Church in NJ now includes sisters in that fund. Change in the Catholic Church may be difficult (and is) BUT it is not impossible.
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Post by hcpride on May 30, 2023 16:23:30 GMT -5
I guess it’s to the LA Dodgers’ credit that they’re not attempting any ridiculous and diversionary defenses to their indefensible decision to honor an anti-Catholic hate group.
In fact, they’re wisely not saying or explaining anything at all. Just quickly greenlighting a night of “Christian Faith and Family” on the heels of their tone deaf (to say the least) embrace of bigotry.
If you listen carefully you can almost hear the frantic Dodger PR firms repeatedly telling their clients to shut the front door. And let Clayton Kershaw say absolutely anything he wants in the hopes of avoiding a Bud Light debacle on steroids. It might work.
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Post by princetoncrusader on May 30, 2023 20:57:33 GMT -5
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 30, 2023 21:42:04 GMT -5
Bigotry in any form, should be revealed and reviled…..
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 31, 2023 7:54:23 GMT -5
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Post by WCHC Sports on May 31, 2023 8:18:56 GMT -5
1) This would NEVER have been approved it was flamboyant men/things/pick-your-pronouns walking around with A) skull caps, fake noses, white scarves, B) sexified hijabs or other headscarves, or C) traditional African tribal garb. There is a false equivalency between bad things the Church has done and them not being able to claim injustice of their own.
2) This is one of the fundamental flaws, and fears of early observers of democracies and their ability to function and succeed: that people wouldn't have a common, shared interest in a productive outcome that benefits many (a baseball game), but instead would just live in their isolated and ignorant hole, hating those who have a voice and have success until THEY become "king for a day." I can understand the sentiment that many in "majority" groups might feel threatened. It's about equality in many instances, but it seems like revenge in many others. Somebody marginalized a gay person or transvestite 50 years ago before I was alive? Great... NOW you're gonna see all forty of the people in the county who feel that way shut down the main roads and parade along. How do you feel about THAT?! Actually, you can't answer, because if you don't agree-- even though you weren't out with pitch forks and torches going on the offensive-- you are a bigot. There is no counter viewpoint acceptable.
The 2% of the weirdos are driving the most powerful organizations, institutions, and businesses in the country. Not dialogue, not votes, not dollars. It's out of control.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 31, 2023 8:59:33 GMT -5
The 2% of the weirdos are driving the most powerful organizations, institutions, and businesses in the country. Not dialogue, not votes, not dollars. It's out of control. HRC, CEI, Larry Fink and George Soros.
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Post by WCHC Sports on May 31, 2023 9:00:28 GMT -5
lol
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Post by alum on May 31, 2023 9:34:22 GMT -5
1) This would NEVER have been approved it was flamboyant men/things/pick-your-pronouns walking around with A) skull caps, fake noses, white scarves, B) sexified hijabs or other headscarves, or C) traditional African tribal garb. There is a false equivalency between bad things the Church has done and them not being able to claim injustice of their own. 2) This is one of the fundamental flaws, and fears of early observers of democracies and their ability to function and succeed: that people wouldn't have a common, shared interest in a productive outcome that benefits many (a baseball game), but instead would just live in their isolated and ignorant hole, hating those who have a voice and have success until THEY become "king for a day." I can understand the sentiment that many in "majority" groups might feel threatened. It's about equality in many instances, but it seems like revenge in many others. Somebody marginalized a gay person or transvestite 50 years ago before I was alive? Great... NOW you're gonna see all forty of the people in the county who feel that way shut down the main roads and parade along. How do you feel about THAT?! Actually, you can't answer, because if you don't agree-- even though you weren't out with pitch forks and torches going on the offensive-- you are a bigot. There is no counter viewpoint acceptable. The 2% of the weirdos are driving the most powerful organizations, institutions, and businesses in the country. Not dialogue, not votes, not dollars. It's out of control. You think that the marginalization of gay and trans Americans only happened fifty years ago, before you were born. Read the #$@&^*!ing newspaper. You think that there are only forty gay or trans people in America? Open your #$@&^*!ing eyes.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 31, 2023 9:50:34 GMT -5
1) This would NEVER have been approved it was flamboyant men/things/pick-your-pronouns walking around with A) skull caps, fake noses, white scarves, B) sexified hijabs or other headscarves, or C) traditional African tribal garb. There is a false equivalency between bad things the Church has done and them not being able to claim injustice of their own. 2) This is one of the fundamental flaws, and fears of early observers of democracies and their ability to function and succeed: that people wouldn't have a common, shared interest in a productive outcome that benefits many (a baseball game), but instead would just live in their isolated and ignorant hole, hating those who have a voice and have success until THEY become "king for a day." I can understand the sentiment that many in "majority" groups might feel threatened. It's about equality in many instances, but it seems like revenge in many others. Somebody marginalized a gay person or transvestite 50 years ago before I was alive? Great... NOW you're gonna see all forty of the people in the county who feel that way shut down the main roads and parade along. How do you feel about THAT?! Actually, you can't answer, because if you don't agree-- even though you weren't out with pitch forks and torches going on the offensive-- you are a bigot. There is no counter viewpoint acceptable. The 2% of the weirdos are driving the most powerful organizations, institutions, and businesses in the country. Not dialogue, not votes, not dollars. It's out of control. Why do you care what other people do with their lives and time? Does it bother you? Make you uncomfortable? Just turn your head and do what you want with your life!
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Post by hcpride on May 31, 2023 9:55:35 GMT -5
1) This would NEVER have been approved it was flamboyant men/things/pick-your-pronouns walking around with A) skull caps, fake noses, white scarves, B) sexified hijabs or other headscarves, or C) traditional African tribal garb. There is a false equivalency between bad things the Church has done and them not being able to claim injustice of their own. I don’t think that those who argue anti- Catholic hate and bigotry (much less honoring purveyors of such) is OK are actually serious. And the Dodgers have wisely avoided any such peculiar argumentation. I’m sure the employee who got them into this indefensible position is now on a remote scouting assignment of the long term variety.
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Post by Tom on May 31, 2023 10:16:39 GMT -5
The 2% . . .are driving the most powerful organizations, institutions, and businesses in the country. Not dialogue, not votes, not dollars. It's out of control. I think businesses should stay above the fray. Even backtracking with Christian Faith Day. It's a lose/lose proposition for the business. I don't think these things are adding much revenue to the Dodgers or other businesses versus too much risk of loss. Maybe stick to things like the 35th anniversary of the World Series team with a better risk/reward ratio
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Post by WCHC Sports on May 31, 2023 10:47:42 GMT -5
1) This would NEVER have been approved it was flamboyant men/things/pick-your-pronouns walking around with A) skull caps, fake noses, white scarves, B) sexified hijabs or other headscarves, or C) traditional African tribal garb. There is a false equivalency between bad things the Church has done and them not being able to claim injustice of their own. 2) This is one of the fundamental flaws, and fears of early observers of democracies and their ability to function and succeed: that people wouldn't have a common, shared interest in a productive outcome that benefits many (a baseball game), but instead would just live in their isolated and ignorant hole, hating those who have a voice and have success until THEY become "king for a day." I can understand the sentiment that many in "majority" groups might feel threatened. It's about equality in many instances, but it seems like revenge in many others. Somebody marginalized a gay person or transvestite 50 years ago before I was alive? Great... NOW you're gonna see all forty of the people in the county who feel that way shut down the main roads and parade along. How do you feel about THAT?! Actually, you can't answer, because if you don't agree-- even though you weren't out with pitch forks and torches going on the offensive-- you are a bigot. There is no counter viewpoint acceptable. The 2% of the weirdos are driving the most powerful organizations, institutions, and businesses in the country. Not dialogue, not votes, not dollars. It's out of control. You think that the marginalization of gay and trans Americans only happened fifty years ago, before you were born. Read the #$@&^*!ing newspaper. You think that there are only forty gay or trans people in America? Open your #$@&^*!ing eyes. I think there are certain elements that are not trying to merely now be a part of culture and society, but would rather inundate and overwhelm it with their viewpoint and traditions due to completely understandable feelings of oppression, marginalization, anger, frustration, hostility, and revenge. There are far more people that think like me that a man wearing a skirt is weird, a woman identifying as a fox (vulpes vulpes) is ridiculous, and are sexually attracted to the opposite gender-- of which there are two. That doesn't make me or people that think like me "right," but it seems like there is a compulsion to identify every varied group and hand it the stage, microphone, or month of the year, and it seems like pandering by corporations to show how wonderful and open minded they are.
To a more extreme end, it seems like the goal is not merely to become a part of the wider social fabric, but the old fabric has to be replaced. It's racist that Ariel-- a cartoon of a fish person-- was white, so we must rush to remake it that they are black. It is not inclusive enough that the Fairy Godmother-- (godmothers are real, but I am rather certain fairies are not)-- was a white old lady, she now must be a black amorphous genderperson. I don't care much about Disney moves-- my kids love them in any era or remake-- but the objective isn't to create narratives and role models and stories that folks from all walks of life can see representation in. The objective has become to displace the traditions and ways of thinking-- both good and bad-- for the sake of a strange few.
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