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Post by hcpride on May 21, 2023 5:48:32 GMT -5
Some might remember Cam as a good player at Loyola. He had a very good season at Rutgers. Now apparently in the portal. Interesting article on his second portal move:
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 21, 2023 7:16:52 GMT -5
As Tony the Tiger would say, it's GRRREAT!!!
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Post by hchoops on May 21, 2023 7:39:44 GMT -5
As Tony the Tiger would say, it's GRRREAT!!! Not for the Scarlet Knights |
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Post by sader1970 on May 21, 2023 7:49:51 GMT -5
More generally, not great for anyone other than, perhaps, the player. This NIL/transfer portal stuff will ruin college basketball. Makes players "hired guns" and no better than the NBA. Fr. Brooks may have been on one end of the spectrum but this is the other end. Both extremes are wrong. Does anyone care anymore about actually getting an education?
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Post by HC92 on May 21, 2023 8:18:10 GMT -5
More generally, not great for anyone other than, perhaps, the player. This NIL/transfer portal stuff will ruin college basketball. Makes players "hired guns" and no better than the NBA. Fr. Brooks may have been on one end of the spectrum but this is the other end. Both extremes are wrong. Does anyone care anymore about actually getting an education? The whole school/college/education/loyalty thing has been a secondary (if that) consideration for many players for a while. Portal/NIL definitely making it worse. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 21, 2023 8:35:53 GMT -5
Applies to quite a bit in the world we live in, sadly.  |
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Post by mm67 on May 21, 2023 8:39:01 GMT -5
Many administrators & coaches at big time athletic factories never gave a rat's behind about the players getting an education. Student - athlete was a PR marketing term w/o any basis in reality for many big time athletes. Most everybody knew athletes were hired to play ball and hone their skills for pro ball. Now at least players are legally, openly receiving money commensurate with their value to the school. Education? What's that? Indeed many schools are in the entertainment business. Thankfully, HC is not & I hope it stays that way.
Do any ever ask themselves " What the hell does intercollegiate athletics have to do with the academic mission of a college"? For myself as a student it was beautiful Saturday afternoons in the autumn and time in the lunatic asylum known as the Worcester Memorial Auditorium with other half inebriated HC crazies. The thrill of victory, the agony of defeat... It was fun!
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Post by Tom on May 21, 2023 9:22:14 GMT -5
Did he graduate?
As pointed out in other threads, many schools don't let you get a degree if you only attend for one year
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Post by sader81 on May 21, 2023 9:47:31 GMT -5
Many administrators & coaches at big time athletic factories never gave a rat's behind about the players getting an education. Student - athlete was a PR marketing term w/o any basis in reality for many big time athletes. Most everybody knew athletes were hired to play ball and hone their skills for pro ball. Now at least players are legally, openly receiving money commensurate with their value to the school. Education? What's that? Indeed many schools are in the entertainment business. Thankfully, HC is not & I hope it stays that way. Do any ever ask themselves " What the hell does intercollegiate athletics have to do with the academic mission of a college"? For myself as a student it was beautiful Saturday afternoons in the autumn and time in the lunatic asylum known as the Worcester Memorial Auditorium with other half inebriated HC crazies. The thrill of victory, the agony of defeat... It was fun! Unfortunately, I don’t think that can be sustainable. CDP had some very sobering words in his zoom call about the NIL and its effect on even the PL already. I don’t know how this is all going to shake out, but the days of just playing for the alma mater and the love of the game are over. Very few are talking about the enormous endowments some of the universities are sitting on. They couldn’t spend it all if they tried, and i believe that will be part of a solution. But where does that leave schools with sufficient endowments? I tend to think it will take up to a generation to see where this goes, and I won’t be around to see it. |
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Post by hchoops on May 21, 2023 11:03:53 GMT -5
Spencer probably will receive his undergrad degree from Rutgers this month.
He is leaving to pursue a more lucrative NIL which will probably also give him a quality masters degree.
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Post by hcpride on May 21, 2023 11:36:46 GMT -5
Did he graduate? As pointed out in other threads, many schools don't let you get a degree if you only attend for one year “As a grad transfer he can play next season without penalty.” |
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Post by trimster on May 21, 2023 11:38:43 GMT -5
Many administrators & coaches at big time athletic factories never gave a rat's behind about the players getting an education. Student - athlete was a PR marketing term w/o any basis in reality for many big time athletes. Most everybody knew athletes were hired to play ball and hone their skills for pro ball. Now at least players are legally, openly receiving money commensurate with their value to the school. Education? What's that? Indeed many schools are in the entertainment business. Thankfully, HC is not & I hope it stays that way. Do any ever ask themselves " What the hell does intercollegiate athletics have to do with the academic mission of a college"? For myself as a student it was beautiful Saturday afternoons in the autumn and time in the lunatic asylum known as the Worcester Memorial Auditorium with other half inebriated HC crazies. The thrill of victory, the agony of defeat... It was fun! Unfortunately, I don’t think that can be sustainable. CDP had some very sobering words in his zoom call about the NIL and its effect on even the PL already. I don’t know how this is all going to shake out, but the days of just playing for the alma mater and the love of the game are over. Very few are talking about the enormous endowments some of the universities are sitting on. They couldn’t spend it all if they tried, and i believe that will be part of a solution. But where does that leave schools with sufficient endowments? I tend to think it will take up to a generation to see where this goes, and I won’t be around to see it. It's kind of like intercollegiate athletics has spun off its axis and isn't tethered to reality. Kids being paid outrageous amounts of money to play amateur athletics; kids transferring at the drop of a hat and playing for 3-4 schools in 4 years, leagues spread out across many time zones resulting in minor sports athletes traveling 1000+ miles to play a game. It's crazy and who knows what is on the horizon. I can see why some followers are walking away from college athletics. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 21, 2023 11:49:57 GMT -5
^^^ Rutgers supporter who said that Cam received a $250K NIL offer from another school. Interesting thread of lamentations. Baker notes (and which I hadn't thought of) is that boosters forking over $$$$ for a NIL don't get a tax write-off like they would if they gave the $$$$ to the program. |
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Post by mm67 on May 21, 2023 12:21:29 GMT -5
$250, 000? Whoa! I did not realize. Agree that the whole thing is out of kilter but... $250 G's? Where can I sign? Who can blame him? I would take the money & run. Are women ballers getting any real money, too?
How can truly amateur programs with high academic standards like HC, the PL survive? Will they cross the Rubicon to the land of professional sports? As for me. Screw it I would rather HC not compete in Div.I then start setting up outside cash cows for pay to play jocks. Nope!
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Post by Ray on May 21, 2023 13:54:35 GMT -5
I have a really hard time faulting players for taking the kind of money being thrown around here. Especially for guys with marginal-or-worse pro prospects, the big schools haven't given a crap about their "education" for a long time now. I have no issue at all with the players capitalizing on financial opportunities available to them. Clearly the "system" currently in its infancy needs to be better developed, though.
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Post by gks on May 21, 2023 16:13:09 GMT -5
I don't know Cam Spencer at all but if he's a grad transfer looking to make a little coin while getting a masters degree I'd really like to hear how someone has a problem with this.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 21, 2023 17:26:32 GMT -5
He appears to be a very good player, but $250,000 seems a lot to pay for his services. I do understand that worth is determined by what people are willing to pay…,
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 21, 2023 18:27:10 GMT -5
Spencer was an honor roll student at Boys Latin in Baltimore, a highly ranked private school.
Rutgers provides no info on his major, which is why I went looking for his player profile.
As for his older brother Pat, I almost fell off my chair.
I assume Pat played little or no hoops at Loyola.
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Post by longsuffering on May 21, 2023 18:37:45 GMT -5
Cam's brother Pat was a four year Lacrosse player at Loyola of Maryland and then played one year of college basketball at Northwestern. He is now playing in the NBA G League.
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Post by longsuffering on May 21, 2023 18:39:20 GMT -5
Cam's brother Pat was a four year Lacrosse player at Loyola of Maryland and then played one year of college basketball at Northwestern. He is now playing in the NBA G League. I just noticed I got beaten to the punch with this info. I also almost fell off my chair.🤣 |
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 21, 2023 18:48:21 GMT -5
Ma Now at least players are legally, openly receiving money commensurate with their value to the school. Education? What's that? Indeed many schools are in the entertainment business. Thankfully, HC is not & I hope it stays that way. Unfortunately, due to the Alston v NCAA decision, schools like HC cannot forbid its athletes from third party NIL. If some sort of third party collective (call them "Fenwick Partners LLC") wanted to offer $200K to aspiring quarterbacks, the school couldn't do much about it. And before you say, "Oh, but this will never happen at places which takes education as seriously as we do," this item: |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 21, 2023 18:59:07 GMT -5
Gee, Harvard will be in financial trouble if supporters divert their general fund donations to player NIL bribes. This could bring the University down…..
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Post by longsuffering on May 21, 2023 19:36:00 GMT -5
Gee, Harvard will be in financial trouble if supporters divert their general fund donations to player NIL bribes. This could bring the University down….. ...to gazillionaire. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 22, 2023 7:17:30 GMT -5
I have no problem with players getting what they can (although if it were up to me, I would make it an either/or thing: free education or the paycheck). What bothers me is:
1. I've always preferred team sports vs individual sports, and I'm seeing less and less "team" aspects every day
2. It's all trickling down to low D-1 and below.
One example does it for me: Pitino and Cooley might use NIL to their advantage and someday have another Final 4 matchup with St. John's and Georgetown. But as far as I'm concerned it won't hold a candle to those games in the 80s that featured real rivalry games with the same cast of characters: Ewing, Mullin, Wingate, Reggie Williams, Wennington, Mark Jackson, etc. Today's "rivalries" are not even remotely as interesting for me.
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Post by hchoops on May 22, 2023 7:26:01 GMT -5
Do not forget Walter Berry
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