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Post by Tom on May 22, 2023 7:32:37 GMT -5
Did he graduate? As pointed out in other threads, many schools don't let you get a degree if you only attend for one year “As a grad transfer he can play next season without penalty.” I did see that. I was more questioning the reliability of a fan site twitter account. The guy who posted that may or may not be aware of Spencer's academic status. Maybe Rutgers is a school that lets you show up for one year if you have enough credits and get a Rutgers degree. I'm still stuck in a 20th century mindset and don't blindly accept twitter reports as gospel truth without some information to gage the reliability of the source. Heck, even on a prestigious platform like Crossports, I sometimes question posters if they're posting fact or speculation
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 22, 2023 7:37:47 GMT -5
Do not forget Walter Berry I intentionally left him out because he was a transfer ha. I'll substitute Georgetown forward Bill Martin
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Post by hchoops on May 22, 2023 7:42:06 GMT -5
Do not forget Walter Berry I intentionally left him out because he was a transfer ha. I'll substitute Georgetown forward Bill Martin Walter was a transfer only if you count junior colleges Berry, Jackson and Mullin were all from NYC. Wennington was from Canada, but went to Long Island Lutheran.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 22, 2023 8:14:50 GMT -5
Do not forget Walter Berry And Willie Glass as well.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 22, 2023 8:26:11 GMT -5
I was thinking of 4 year guys. I believe Glass was one of them as well. Probably as many 4 year guys from those 2 teams than there are in today's entire Big East.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 22, 2023 9:01:45 GMT -5
I was thinking of 4 year guys. I believe Glass was one of them as well. Probably as many 4 year guys from those 2 teams than there are in today's entire Big East. And all of those mid-80's BE squads would smoke any of today's BE teams Dave.
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Post by hchoops on May 22, 2023 9:34:16 GMT -5
To get an idea of the depth of talent in NYC in the HS graduating class of 1983 Point guards only Mark Jackson- Bishop Loughlin Kenny Smith- Archbishop Molloy Dwayne “Pearl” Washington- Boys and Girls High
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Post by hcpride on May 22, 2023 9:42:00 GMT -5
“As a grad transfer he can play next season without penalty.” I did see that. I was more questioning the reliability of a fan site twitter account. The guy who posted that may or may not be aware of Spencer's academic status. Maybe Rutgers is a school that lets you show up for one year if you have enough credits and get a Rutgers degree. I'm still stuck in a 20th century mindset and don't blindly accept twitter reports as gospel truth without some information to gage the reliability of the source. Heck, even on a prestigious platform like Crossports, I sometimes question posters if they're posting fact or speculation I wouldn't blindly accept front page accounts as gospel truth from New York Post or New York Times. So I share your skepticism of all sorts of reports. Note "immediate" entry: 247sports.com/Season/2023-Basketball/TransferPortal/?eligibility=immediate
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Post by longsuffering on May 22, 2023 10:30:30 GMT -5
“As a grad transfer he can play next season without penalty.” I did see that. I was more questioning the reliability of a fan site twitter account. The guy who posted that may or may not be aware of Spencer's academic status. Maybe Rutgers is a school that lets you show up for one year if you have enough credits and get a Rutgers degree. I'm still stuck in a 20th century mindset and don't blindly accept twitter reports as gospel truth without some information to gage the reliability of the source. Heck, even on a prestigious platform like Crossports, I sometimes question posters if they're posting fact or speculation Doubting Thomas
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Post by ephoops on May 30, 2023 10:24:47 GMT -5
Spencer was an honor roll student at Boys Latin in Baltimore, a highly ranked private school. Rutgers provides no info on his major, which is why I went looking for his player profile. As for his older brother Pat, I almost fell off my chair. I assume Pat played little or no hoops at Loyola. Pat Spencer is considered to be one of the top five players in the history of college lacrosse.
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Post by hchoops on May 30, 2023 15:00:08 GMT -5
Spencer was an honor roll student at Boys Latin in Baltimore, a highly ranked private school. Rutgers provides no info on his major, which is why I went looking for his player profile. As for his older brother Pat, I almost fell off my chair. I assume Pat played little or no hoops at Loyola. Pat Spencer is considered to be one of the top five players in the history of college lacrosse. With Jim Brown as #1, I presume
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Post by bfoley82 on May 30, 2023 15:02:20 GMT -5
Pat Spencer is considered to be one of the top five players in the history of college lacrosse. With Jim Brown as #1, I presume Debatable on Brown....noone today can really say one way or the other with him since it was too long ago.
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Post by hchoops on May 30, 2023 15:08:54 GMT -5
With Jim Brown as #1, I presume Debatable on Brown....noone today can really say one way or the other with him since it was too long ago. I believe you may be exaggerating a bit with “no one.” After all, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Bob Cousy(college) et.al. were all before Brown.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 30, 2023 15:13:30 GMT -5
Debatable on Brown....noone today can really say one way or the other with him since it was too long ago. I believe you may be exaggerating a bit with “no one.” After all, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Bob Cousy(college) et.al. were all before Brown. Very few people can remember Brown as a lacrosse player...There is a ton more video of Ruth, Cobb, Cousy etc when compared to Brown playing lax. Is Casey Powell a better lacrosse player than Brown? Mikey Powell? Gary Gait? Kyle Harrison? Miles and Lyle Thompson? etc...
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 30, 2023 15:29:20 GMT -5
In my opinion, athletes need to be judged within the context of the era when they played. I always like to cite Herb Elliott as an example and I think I may have referenced him on this forum before. I believe he never lost a mile race as an adult. The fact that more than a few runners today may run the mile 5 seconds faster than he did 60 years ago does not mean they are better milers than he was. Jim Brown was dominant as a running back and for me remains the greatest football player of all time. I don’t know about his lacrosse playing but a lot of observers said he was the best they’d ever seen.
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Post by hchoops on May 30, 2023 15:40:53 GMT -5
Did not lax change some rule because of Brown’s dominance ? Many respected lax coaches that watched Brown have said in the recent past that Brown was the best. Video is not the only reliable source. There is very little or no video of Jim Thorpe. Was he a great athlete ? Players from the Negro Leagues, such as Josh Gibson ?
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Post by hcpride on May 30, 2023 21:13:11 GMT -5
Back to Cam Spencer. : Report: Rutgers' Cam Spencer Plans to Visit UCLA Men's Basketball The sharpshooter used to play for assistant coach Ivo Simovic at Loyola Maryland before joining the Scarlet Knights in 2022.
The Bruins are going after one of the top graduate transfers on the market.
Rutgers transfer guard Cam Spencer is planning to visit UCLA men's basketball, Stadium's Jeff Goodman reported Monday evening. Miami (FL), UConn and Oklahoma are the other schools still in the running for Spencer.
According to Adam Zagoria of NJ.com and The New York Times, Spencer is "not rushing a decision," implying that the sharpshooter won't be announcing a commitment anytime soon.www.si.com/college/ucla/mens-basketball/report-rutgers-transfer-cam-spencer-visiting-ucla-mens-basketball
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Post by bfoley82 on May 30, 2023 21:30:19 GMT -5
Did not lax change some rule because of Brown’s dominance ? Many respected lax coaches that watched Brown have said in the recent past that Brown was the best. Video is not the only reliable source. There is very little or no video of Jim Thorpe. Was he a great athlete ? Players from the Negro Leagues, such as Josh Gibson ? The rule change in lacrosse was "requiring players to keep the stick in motion with the ball in their possession." Source: www.jacksonville.com/story/sports/college/jacksonville-dolphins/2023/05/19/nfl-star-jim-brown-every-bit-the-lacrosse-icon-was-he-was-in-football/70238294007/All I am saying is he was a second team All-American as a junior and a first teamer as a senior. There have been multiple players in the last 25 years or so that have been four time first team All-Americans. Does it make them better? I don't know but Brown is considered in the conversation.
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Post by hchoops on May 30, 2023 22:27:20 GMT -5
African Americans had difficulties in America in the 1950s. See Jackie Robinson. I am surprised Brown made any All American teams.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 30, 2023 23:19:59 GMT -5
African Americans had difficulties in America in the 1950s. See Jackie Robinson. I am surprised Brown made any All American teams. True also...
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Post by trimster on Jun 7, 2023 5:33:25 GMT -5
Back to Cam Spencer. : Report: Rutgers' Cam Spencer Plans to Visit UCLA Men's Basketball The sharpshooter used to play for assistant coach Ivo Simovic at Loyola Maryland before joining the Scarlet Knights in 2022.
The Bruins are going after one of the top graduate transfers on the market.
Rutgers transfer guard Cam Spencer is planning to visit UCLA men's basketball, Stadium's Jeff Goodman reported Monday evening. Miami (FL), UConn and Oklahoma are the other schools still in the running for Spencer.
According to Adam Zagoria of NJ.com and The New York Times, Spencer is "not rushing a decision," implying that the sharpshooter won't be announcing a commitment anytime soon.www.si.com/college/ucla/mens-basketball/report-rutgers-transfer-cam-spencer-visiting-ucla-mens-basketballSpencer to UConn.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 7, 2023 8:37:19 GMT -5
African Americans had difficulties in America in the 1950s. See Jackie Robinson. I am surprised Brown made any All American teams. If bias didn't prevent Brown from making consensus AA as a football player; which he did; he no doubt made it in lacrosse.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 7, 2023 18:39:07 GMT -5
African Americans had difficulties in America in the 1950s. See Jackie Robinson. I am surprised Brown made any All American teams. If bias didn't prevent Brown from making consensus AA as a football player; which he did; he no doubt made it in lacrosse. From Syracuse.com: Brown was a second team All-America selection in lacrosse at Syracuse in 1956 and earned first-team honors in 1957, finishing second in the nation in scoring his senior year. He led Syracuse to an undefeated season in 1957
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