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Post by hcpride on Aug 5, 2023 7:23:31 GMT -5
The Pac-12 Conference is down to only four schools remaining as the University of Arizona, Arizona State University and the University of Utah announced Friday they are leaving to join the Big 12 Conference…
The University of Oregon and the University of Washington will officially leave the Pac-12 and join the Big Ten Conference starting in 2024, both schools announced earlier Friday…
Washington State University, Oregon State University, UC Berkeley and Stanford University are the four remaining Pac-12 schools which have not announced any conference changes… www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/sport/oregon-washington-big-ten/index.htmlMoved this from football section although it might have a strong HC connection when Stanford applies to PL as a football-only member.
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Post by gks on Aug 5, 2023 7:27:05 GMT -5
Next on the clock....
The ACC.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 5, 2023 7:55:48 GMT -5
No more Apple Cup? No Civil War (or did the PC folks ban that name anyway)?
Great way to treat your friends.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 5, 2023 10:05:16 GMT -5
This cruel joke keeps getting worse and worse
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 5, 2023 10:37:54 GMT -5
The Pac-12 Conference is down to only four schools remaining as the University of Arizona, Arizona State University and the University of Utah announced Friday they are leaving to join the Big 12 Conference…
The University of Oregon and the University of Washington will officially leave the Pac-12 and join the Big Ten Conference starting in 2024, both schools announced earlier Friday…
Washington State University, Oregon State University, UC Berkeley and Stanford University are the four remaining Pac-12 schools which have not announced any conference changes… www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/sport/oregon-washington-big-ten/index.htmlMoved this from football section although it might have a strong HC connection when Stanford applies to PL as a football-only member. If HC doesn't at least use this opportunity to schedule Stanford for OOC FB or BB games I think EFG 72 will pick up the phone and do it himself. His "Big bang theory" of D-1 disruption and reinvention is happening ahead of schedule.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 5, 2023 10:38:36 GMT -5
Causes 1- Greed 2- Big time college football 3- College presidents and Boards of Trustees putting education last, if at all A travesty
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Post by gks on Aug 5, 2023 13:26:40 GMT -5
Causes 1- Greed 2- Big time college football 3- College presidents and Boards of Trustees putting education last, if at all A travesty Please explain this. All these schools fly charter. Missed class time is minimal. The money made off of networks and tv contracts helps the entire school.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 5, 2023 13:56:03 GMT -5
How about the many sports not called football that play on Weekdays ? What will cross country travel do to their academic schedules ? This is football only driven. Even revenue producing basketball athletes will suffer.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 5, 2023 13:57:06 GMT -5
I think for most schools, any surplus is just plowed back into athletics. If Big State University lands a big increase in TV money the windfall likely goes to the coaches, recruiting, and new and ever more lavish training facilities and player lounges.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 5, 2023 13:58:15 GMT -5
How about the many sports not called football that play on Weekdays ? What will cross country travel do to their academic schedules ? This is football only driven. Even revenue producing basketball athletes will suffer. Suffer? They will just be taking charter flights for an hour or two longer now.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 5, 2023 14:03:28 GMT -5
How about the many sports not called football that play on Weekdays ? What will cross country travel do to their academic schedules ? This is football only driven. Even revenue producing basketball athletes will suffer. Suffer? They will just be taking charter flights for an hour or two longer now. More class time will be missed. Cross country time in planes by the end of the season or earlier will have significant effects on the quality of play. And all the other sports that travel regular flights will be even more negatively affected.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 5, 2023 14:57:16 GMT -5
Suffer? They will just be taking charter flights for an hour or two longer now. More class time will be missed. Cross country time in planes by the end of the season or earlier will have significant effects on the quality of play. And all the other sports that travel regular flights will be even more negatively affected. I would expect soccer or volleyball to be combination weekends with games at Oregon and Washington State or UCLA/USC in the same weekend. The Big Ten already does this with volleyball with back to back days on occasion. Besides those 2/3 sports (Washington and UCLA have MSOC programs while USC and Oregon have WLAX), the Big Ten travel will not increase as much as everyone thinks. The Track, Crew, Golf, etc teams don't NEED to race/play during the season.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 5, 2023 16:58:11 GMT -5
That's a thought. Membership in a coast to coast conference now means play locally and then vie for the league championship/NCAA autobid at the end of season league meet/tournament. With the semi-pro FB and BB teams traveling more but the players being compensated for that via NIL.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 6, 2023 7:55:31 GMT -5
With regards to excessive travel for minor sports, most power schools offer the NCAA minimum number of men's and women's programs so that as much $$$ as possible gets funneled back into the cash cows. There are some exceptions, a lot of whom tend to be the more academically powerful schools like Michigan, Ohio State, UNC, Notre Dame and Stanford.
Also, the football team that routinely logs the most miles every year is the Naval Academy. And that is obviously a team who fulfills many, many obligations outside of games and practices. Air Force hockey another example -- flying out to either Buffalo, Boston or NYC pretty much every other weekend throughout the winter. And I'm sure those guys handle their academic responsibilities just fine.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 6, 2023 8:04:05 GMT -5
That's a thought. Membership in a coast to coast conference now means play locally and then vie for the league championship/NCAA autobid at the end of season league meet/tournament. With the semi-pro FB and BB teams traveling more but the players being compensated for that via NIL. You see this happen a decent amount in minor sports. Bryant tennis plays in the Southland -- plays their entire regular season match schedule locally and then flies down to Texas or Louisiana for the conference tournament. Holy Cross and Bucknell Women's Golf used to be in the Big South. We'd play in local tournaments in New England throughout the fall and spring. Then they would head down to Myrtle Beach for a weekend to end the season.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 6, 2023 9:41:20 GMT -5
That's a thought. Membership in a coast to coast conference now means play locally and then vie for the league championship/NCAA autobid at the end of season league meet/tournament. With the semi-pro FB and BB teams traveling more but the players being compensated for that via NIL. You see this happen a decent amount in minor sports. Bryant tennis plays in the Southland -- plays their entire regular season match schedule locally and then flies down to Texas or Louisiana for the conference tournament. Holy Cross and Bucknell Women's Golf used to be in the Big South. We'd play in local tournaments in New England throughout the fall and spring. Then they would head down to Myrtle Beach for a weekend to end the season. Yep...Hartford was in the Big Sky in Men's Golf back when they were D-1.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 6, 2023 9:41:37 GMT -5
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Post by gks on Aug 6, 2023 9:54:02 GMT -5
Washington for an away game at Rutgers can fly cross country on a charter jet in 5-6 hours.
Bucknell to and from Holy Cross by bus is longer.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 6, 2023 10:18:28 GMT -5
Holy Cross to the BIG!
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 6, 2023 10:32:58 GMT -5
I can wait until the dust settles.🤷🏻♂️
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Post by mm67 on Aug 6, 2023 10:37:07 GMT -5
Will the mini Pac 4 be forced to pac it in? Big time Div I athletics has been a cesspool for decades. The recent realignment with changing conferences does not upset me , surprise me or fill me with sympathy for any of the losers. Corruption which was widespread with a wink & a nod is now legal. Hope the kids at least make some real money. Screw the crooked adults who run the system.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 6, 2023 12:18:02 GMT -5
Oops, obviously. I think outside of Hawaii they've led college football in miles traveled numerous times.
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Post by CHC8485 on Aug 6, 2023 12:38:33 GMT -5
All the realignment goes back to 1984 and the NCAA antitrust court decision that gave schools and conferences the ability to negotiate their own TV deals. Schools (and by extension conferences) had the opportunity to make money through TV deals and the way to make those TV deals more lucrative is through expansion. The horse is out of the barn on so many issues that will not go back, so here ar some thoughts for what I think could be the best - though highly unlikely - endpoint. First this tweet got the thoughts flowing. Holy Cross to the B1G! [EDIT] I see that Crucis beat me to this announcement but I saw it yesterday and have been thinking about it since. But here a pie in the sky strawman to start. This is for football only. Other NCAA championships will continue following existing practice. - There are 133 FBS schools right now. Organize them into 16 eight team, roughly geographically based conferences, (that's 128 teams).
- Pay little attention to current conference alignment so each conference will have a mix of P5 and G5 schools.
- Add the remaining 5 teams into a conference to make five 9 team conferences,
- Negotiate TV deals collectively as "college football - not unlike to former College football Association (CFA) in the late 80s and early 90s - to create a national FBS media revenue sharing stream.
The real money maker for this system is the playoffs. It's been talked about for years but use the bowls as the framework for the playoff. - Pair Conferences regionally and hold the 12th game of the season as a regional Championship game (i.e. sort the conferences into 8 Regions) creating a 16 team field.
- It would generate far more interest in the games and the playoffs, thereby engaging the interest nationally.
- (Here's the hardest part) Divide the revenue from this process and the media deal equally among the schools with kickers for those who win at the division/conference and various levels of the playoffs
- You'd also build a wider interest for NIL payments to the players so it not only benefits the schools but the players as well
- Counting the regional "Championship" game you would have a maximum of 16 games for the 2 teams in the national championship game.
A similar thing could be done in FCS for conference alignment where you have 130 teams. Now "all" you have to do is add in 100 non Div 1 Football schools across the 32 conferences and you have something that might actually work and be stable.
There are 10 regions on this map, but you get the general idea of how to organize the conferences. If I have time at some point I'll see how the regions might breakdown.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 6, 2023 13:33:37 GMT -5
All the realignment goes back to 1984 and the NCAA antitrust court decision that gave schools and conferences the ability to negotiate their own TV deals. Schools (and by extension conferences) had the opportunity to make money through TV deals and the way to make those TV deals more lucrative is through expansion. The horse is out of the barn on so many issues that will not go back, so here ar some thoughts for what I think could be the best - though highly unlikely - endpoint. First this tweet got the thoughts flowing. Holy Cross to the B1G! [EDIT] I see that Crucis beat me to this announcement but I saw it yesterday and have been thinking about it since. But here a pie in the sky strawman to start. This is for football only. Other NCAA championships will continue following existing practice. - There are 133 FBS schools right now. Organize them into 16 eight team, roughly geographically based conferences, (that's 128 teams).
- Pay little attention to current conference alignment so each conference will have a mix of P5 and G5 schools.
- Add the remaining 5 teams into a conference to make five 9 team conferences,
- Negotiate TV deals collectively as "college football - not unlike to former College football Association (CFA) in the late 80s and early 90s - to create a national FBS media revenue sharing stream.
The real money maker for this system is the playoffs. It's been talked about for years but use the bowls as the framework for the playoff. - Pair Conferences regionally and hold the 12th game of the season as a regional Championship game (i.e. sort the conferences into 8 Regions) creating a 16 team field.
- It would generate far more interest in the games and the playoffs, thereby engaging the interest nationally.
- (Here's the hardest part) Divide the revenue from this process and the media deal equally among the schools with kickers for those who win at the division/conference and various levels of the playoffs
- You'd also build a wider interest for NIL payments to the players so it not only benefits the schools but the players as well
- Counting the regional "Championship" game you would have a maximum of 16 games for the 2 teams in the national championship game.
A similar thing could be done in FCS for conference alignment where you have 130 teams. Now "all" you have to do is add in 100 non Div 1 Football schools across the 32 conferences and you have something that might actually work and be stable.
There are 10 regions on this map, but you get the general idea of how to organize the conferences. If I have time at some point I'll see how the regions might breakdown.
I count only eight regions on this map when you don't count Alaska and Hawaii. The main problem is there isn't that many teams in the Northeast (New England and Mideast) and in the Rocky Mountains and Plains.
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Post by CHC8485 on Aug 6, 2023 15:22:20 GMT -5
You are correct 8 regions. I had another map that divided the US into 10. I copied the wrong one. But the map was for illustrative purposes not a proposed map. As for the northeast it would probably extend to the mid Atlantic in reality. If yo took all the FBS schools in Texas and put the in one conference I think you’d have a 10 team “Lone Star” conference. .
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