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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 21, 2023 12:19:33 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 21, 2023 15:16:10 GMT -5
How about just giving everyone a perfect score?
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Post by alum on Sept 21, 2023 15:38:43 GMT -5
What percentage of students didn't finish the test sections previously? Telling me that 97% will finish with time to spare is only informative if I know how that is different than before. I skimmed the article and it didn't say. (Not criticizing PP, criticizing the reporter.)
Timed evaluations are becoming a less prominent part of education. My experience from talking to my kids about their college classes revealed that there are far fewer tests (including finals ) and more papers, projects, and especially group projects than back in the day. Admittedly, none of my kids majored in the sciences or math where I suspect there are more timed tests.
No standardized tests, no class ranks, highly paid college counselors to help with the essay, AI programs to write the essay for the less affluent, legacy admissions, Varsity Blue, fancy internships and volunteer projects instead of jobs bagging groceries. I am not sure what admissions staff can look at any more.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 21, 2023 15:56:34 GMT -5
Change the substance of the test to see what people know
ACT is a much better test
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Post by hcpride on Sept 21, 2023 16:01:10 GMT -5
.... No standardized tests, no class ranks, highly paid college counselors to help with the essay, AI programs to write the essay for the less affluent, legacy admissions, Varsity Blue, fancy internships and volunteer projects instead of jobs bagging groceries. I am not sure what admissions staff can look at any more. And don't forget the wildly (and unevenly) inflated GPA's making high school grades difficult to compare across high schools. And the uniformly positive teacher recommendations based on the professional counselor-generated student brag sheet. Beyond AP exams, there is that giant dartboard in the college admissions office. (The savvy bright kids still submit their ACT/SAT scores and a string of 5's to the highly selective schools.) |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 21, 2023 16:06:57 GMT -5
.... No standardized tests, no class ranks, highly paid college counselors to help with the essay, AI programs to write the essay for the less affluent, legacy admissions, Varsity Blue, fancy internships and volunteer projects instead of jobs bagging groceries. I am not sure what admissions staff can look at any more. And don't forget the wildly (and unevenly) inflated GPA's making high school grades difficult to compare across high schools. Beyond AP exams, there is that giant dartboard in the college admissions office. (The savvy bright kids still submit their ACT/SAT scores and a string of 5's to the highly selective schools.) And are proactive in seeking an on campus interview with an admissions counselor. |
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Post by hcpride on Sept 21, 2023 16:13:27 GMT -5
Maybe the SAT could reduce the number of choices in the multiple-choice sections. 2 instead of 4. Kids can move faster and they’ll get more right. Win-win.
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Post by mm67 on Sept 24, 2023 9:56:01 GMT -5
I did reasonably well on the SAT and at that time thought the test was bs. Still do. Only took the test once. Prefer AP classes, transcripts, teacher recommendations & other real life metrics. However, the SAT while never the metric the College Board claimed, indeed is a reality in college admissions. There has been & continues to be a clear correlation between family income, educational level and test scores which some see as indicative of a bias possibly unconscious & unintended. No matter the changes, there are always going to be shortcomings with the SAT. I think the movement to SAT optional & less reliance on this deeply flawed "test" are good. Glad to see TPTB are starting to take into account SAT prep courses some of which can cost thousands of dollars and provide an advantage to those students from more affluent families who can afford more comprehensive/more expensive SAT prep courses.
Round & round but the process of questioning the validity of the SAT and gradually implementing changes has been a net positive.
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Post by Tom on Sept 27, 2023 9:10:42 GMT -5
Not sure how it works in other states, but in MA, students who have learning issues can get an IEP, which almost always means no time limit on SAT. In all fairness, probably easier for a kid to slip through the cracks and not get an IEP in less affluent communities. I'm pretty sure you can't get an IEP for math because you're a girl or one for reading because you're a guy or general one. I'm quite certain you can't get one based on the color of your skin. I am not in the high school environment, but I certainly hope in the 21st century our schools aren't making assumptions about a person's intellect based on skin color. |
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Post by hchoops on Sept 27, 2023 9:18:10 GMT -5
For someone like me, who as a teen, struggled to finish tests, including some sections of the SAT, I thoroughly support the changes.
I also support the view that if these tests have to be given, it is far more important to see what someone knows rather than how fast the test-taker works.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 27, 2023 9:22:54 GMT -5
Not sure how it works in other states, but in MA, students who have learning issues can get an IEP, which almost always means no time limit on SAT. In all fairness, probably easier for a kid to slip through the cracks and not get an IEP in less affluent communities. I'm pretty sure you can't get an IEP for math because you're a girl or one for reading because you're a guy or general one. I'm quite certain you can't get one based on the color of your skin. I am not in the high school environment, but I certainly hope in the 21st century our schools aren't making assumptions about a person's intellect based on skin color. There have been school districts around the country that have eliminated honors classes in the name of "equity." WSJ article -- To Increase Equity, School Districts Eliminate Honors Classes
www.wsj.com/articles/to-increase-equity-school-districts-eliminate-honors-classes-d5985dee |
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Post by hcpride on Sept 27, 2023 10:29:14 GMT -5
Not sure how it works in other states, but in MA, students who have learning issues can get an IEP, which almost always means no time limit on SAT. In all fairness, probably easier for a kid to slip through the cracks and not get an IEP in less affluent communities. I'm pretty sure you can't get an IEP for math because you're a girl or one for reading because you're a guy or general one. I'm quite certain you can't get one based on the color of your skin. I am not in the high school environment, but I certainly hope in the 21st century our schools aren't making assumptions about a person's intellect based on skin color. There have been school districts around the country that have eliminated honors classes in the name of "equity." WSJ article -- To Increase Equity, School Districts Eliminate Honors Classes
www.wsj.com/articles/to-increase-equity-school-districts-eliminate-honors-classes-d5985deeThis sort of thing is pretty common and pretty well known depending on one’s news sources and experience in secondary schools. Beyond that and certainly related, standardized tests as racist instruments is a rather accepted belief amongst secondary education progressives. That’s part of the ideology behind the deemphasis of standardized tests in college admissions. I’m assuming (but you never know given ‘equity’ enthusiasts) this hasn’t hit the med schools or pilot training programs. |
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Post by matunuck on Sept 27, 2023 11:55:59 GMT -5
IEPs are largely rooted in diagnostic testing, at least in Virginia. To get extended time on the SAT, the College Board must approve based on an IEP or other testing. Never heard of the Board granting unlimited time. That said, very glad to see the education establishment ever so slowly moving beyond its processing speed obsession.
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Post by Tom on Sept 27, 2023 14:38:58 GMT -5
It sounds like the bold faced people would all qualify for IEP. I might have spoken inaccurately when I said NO time limit. I know people who got plenty of extra time from an IEP. I doubt they would have been allowed to take a whole week to complete the exam
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 27, 2023 15:31:57 GMT -5
I believe students also get additional time.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 3, 2023 16:19:35 GMT -5
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