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Post by CHC8485 on Oct 16, 2023 21:35:02 GMT -5
The tweet below came out before the Max Green commitment and thought I'd move the discussion to it's own thread to not drag down Max's thread, because this is a rant.
Holy Cross Basketball Tweeted
Here's what I commented
The black uniforms that say Crusaders do nothing for the Holy Cross brand. I recall reading that the uniform suppliers promote THEIR brand by the colors of the alternate uniforms. Look at the size of that Adidas logo on the yoke of the first 3 uniforms especially the black on Caleb. It may as well say Generic Basketball Team across the chest, because it look like that and the Adidas logo draws your attention from the name on the front of the jersey.
And I fully understand the business of uniforms. I'm not saying don't go with alternate or an Adidas brand color, just pick a color where purple can be used - gray or silver come to mind.
And one more thing they HAVE to do is change the color of the warmups, sideline gear, coats, etc from black to Royal Purple. When I was travelling more frequently for work, I'd see college teams in the airport, rest stops, etc.. The purple would distinguish Holy Cross and make an impression to everyone who sees it.
Rant over (for now0.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 16, 2023 21:55:01 GMT -5
Amen, brother X 1,000!
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 17, 2023 7:45:26 GMT -5
I think an alt uniform should show ‘The Cross’ on the front - for so many years that was the refrain when referring to our teams
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 17, 2023 7:54:57 GMT -5
Look at the back of our football helmets - the Cross. And purple too! 😊✝️
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 17, 2023 9:28:05 GMT -5
Still do not understand the angst regarding the HC uniform kits. HC last year used four different uniforms for games, Purple, White, Cream and Black. Purple uniforms were used for away games for the most part, and were used at the Fordham game. I like the style but not the tint of the Cream uniforms. They appear to need OxiClean or Espro Sports Clean to remove to my eye, a dingy off color tint for the uniform.
The official HC color is Royal Purple with complimentary colors of White, Black and Gray. Using Blue, Cream, Buff, or any color in those spectrums should not be part of the HC uniform kits. Nor Heaven forbid… the accidental use of the color Maroon, which is a lower color of Purple on the spectrum.😂
As long as the teams have Holy Cross across the front or the back, with the logo, regardless of the sport they are participating, I am rooting ardently for them to come out on top that day.
I have included the video clip of HC playing in Purple uniforms at last years Tom Konchalski Classic and the game at Creighton, to validate that HC still has Purple uniforms….
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 17, 2023 9:57:08 GMT -5
It wouldn't be the worst thing if the black unis found their way inside of a dumpster behind the Luth.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 17, 2023 10:25:42 GMT -5
It wouldn't be the worst thing if the black unis found their way inside of a dumpster behind the Luth. Or to ther "sale" table at discount prtices at reunion weekends.  |
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 17, 2023 12:06:10 GMT -5
Crucis, as you have said well above, Holy Cross has only one official color - Royal Purple. Not purple & white; not purple & gray, not purple & anything. White, gray, cream, silver or black. And certainly not black as the primary color. You also know that Holy Cross are the Crusaders. Not civil rights crusaders; not any other kind of "crusaders;" Crusaders that defended Christianity (yes, I concede there were abuses and sins committed by some Crusaders but no worse than anyone else in those ages). While there is nothing wrong with the color black or any other color, nor nothing wrong (some will dispute this) with other crusaders, that is not our color nor our "crusader" and I don't care what decision some passing through president made. I am an unapologetic traditionalist who believes in what Holy Cross has stood for for many generations. In my family, just 3 of those generations. Crucis, my beef is not with you as I know that your heart is as purple as anyone on this board and I respect your position even as we disagree, agreeably. And, fine if the uniforms have black trim, just not the primary uni color. I also recognize until I am able to write a check with 7 or more digits, ain't anyone going to listen to me among TPTB.  . |
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Post by revj on Oct 17, 2023 14:55:16 GMT -5
If I may chime in as a newcomer, as it was noted by sader1970, Crusaders “defended Christianity” and colors hold significant meaning in Christiandom. Purple for instance is royalty; White is purity and Black is power & strength. Considering the wonderful possibilities this year brings, could the uniforms convey a deeper message to every opponent that we face….. Just a thought in my contemplative mind
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Post by WCHC Sports on Oct 17, 2023 15:03:10 GMT -5
Black was cool/interesting when the first handful of teams that don't traditionally have any black in their uniforms deployed it. Then, it became contrived and tons of teams had to have "blackouts," asking their fans to show up in all black and the teams wore black and (for at least Holy Cross) we would get waxed by thirty points.
Black is a terrible uniform color IMHO, and no team looks good in black except the Raiders in the NFL. Holy Cross has crisp, white unis, and the benefit of a relatively unique and handsome purple road kit. Gray as a secondary/accent color to the purple, or even a third alternate uniform, can work. Back when we were allowed to use a mascot before everyone got in their feelings, that gray can also invoke to the stereotypical colors of a knight's armor.
Get black the hell out of here.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 17, 2023 15:15:23 GMT -5
Anything but those unis with the cursive "Crusaders" that looked like they could have been had at a Ocean State Job Lot.
Give me big block letters. And I'll make my annual, futile request for names on the back, even if just for the road ones.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 17, 2023 15:15:35 GMT -5
Anything but those unis with the cursive "Crusaders" that looked like they could have been had at a Ocean State Job Lot.
Give me big block letters. And I'll make my annual, futile request for names on the back, even if just for the road ones.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 17, 2023 15:22:37 GMT -5
See what you did 8485….you opened up this can of worms again…..🤣 And got Sader70 all riled up.😳🙂 My comment was not directed explicitly to Sader 70, but to all that have angst regarding this uniform color issue. Uniforms evolve from year to year based on the manufacturer and the designated subscribed color palette.
Just get rid of the plain white pants for the football team. They look awful.
Bring back the silver pants from the Duffner era. And maybe silver mirror helmets, similar to the Oregon helmets worn last Saturday.
Maroon is a lesser shade of Purple. 🙂
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Post by cfrivals on Oct 17, 2023 15:27:26 GMT -5
NAD you know my stance on names on uniforms. I follow every football game on espn+ and would like to know who other players not named Sluka, Coker and Dobbs are! HC seems to be fine with hockey having names. Every team in a marquee sport should have them. Also don’t like the #’s go back to varsity font
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 17, 2023 18:03:21 GMT -5
It wouldn't be the worst thing if the black unis found their way inside of a dumpster behind the Luth. They would sit for a while. The four year dumpster fire is over. |
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Post by DiMarz on Oct 17, 2023 19:03:51 GMT -5
I don’t like the black. But I also understand getting the right “royal purple” is not easy. Uniform providers don’t have manny teams in that special color… Soo, let us hope Adidas has the right dye lot for royal purple!
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Post by CHC8485 on Oct 17, 2023 21:40:45 GMT -5
Still do not understand the angst regarding the HC uniform kits. HC last year used four different uniforms for games, Purple, White, Cream and Black. Purple uniforms were used for away games for the most part, and were used at the Fordham game. I like the style but not the tint of the Cream uniforms. They appear to need OxiClean or Espro Sports Clean to remove to my eye, a dingy off color tint for the uniform. The official HC color is Royal Purple with colors of White, Black and Gray. Using Blue, Cream, Buff, or any color in those spectrums should not be part of the HC uniform kits. Nor Heaven forbid… the accidenta l use of the color Maroon, which is a lower color of Purple on the spectrum.😂As long as the teams have Holy Cross across the front or the back, with the logo, regardless of the sport they are participating, I am rooting ardently for them to come out on top that day. I have included the video clip of HC playing in Purple uniforms at last years Tom Konchalski Classic and the game at Creighton, to validate that HC still has Purple uniforms…. Crucis, First, I don't know why the tweet didn't show up when I first posted, but I added it above, so look at the black uniform Caleb is wearing. Where is the purple complimented by the black? Where is the purple at all?? Holy Cross is on the leg of the shorts. Not exactly prominent. As I said in my post, it's about building the Holy Cross brand not supplementing the Adidas' brand. Years ago you related a story to me about entering the College Football Hall of Fame and being greeted by a large photo on the wall of a Crusader (Bruce Kozerski maybe?) which you knew immediately to be Holy Cross yet because of the helmet (purple with numbers on the side) and the purple jersey. And no one but an HC would know it was Holy Cross. Huge missed opportunity because out uniforms in the mid 80's had nothing obvious to ID the team as Holy Cross. That's what my "angst" is about. As I said, it's about branding. The uniform that says Crusaders must have been on sale in the Generic Uniform aisle at the Adidas store. And I'm with you on complimenting the purple with just about any color, but even if the all black uni had some purple in it, you couldn't tell because the black obliterates it. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 17, 2023 22:17:16 GMT -5
8485, Having not seen the black uniforms in person, only on ESPN+, I thought the men’s black uniforms had a purple compliment and the uniforms were identical to the women’s black uniforms. Reviewing last seasons PL Championship game against BU, the women wore black uniforms, but there is a slight difference in that they have purple around the neckline of the jerseys and the waistband of the shorts. Apparently there was a correction to the design when the women’s uniforms were produced. Someone, maybe the DOBO during Nelson’s first year missed it during the procurement process with the Adidas Rep assigned to the HC account. Since Caleb has his Jersey untucked, I cannot determine if the shorts have a purple waist band. The Jersey is slightly different than the women’s team. Time for a correction, maybe prominent purple side inserts with the HC shield on the front of the Jerseys instead of Crusaders on the Jersey to enforce the brand. There are three video clip in the link below, you will be able to detect the purple compliment on the women’s uniforms that are missing from the men’s. www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/video/_/gameId/401519461Close up picture of Bronaugh and Lindsay in the BU game. a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2023/0312/ss_20230312_132100844_2219227/ss_20230312_132100844_2219227.jpgClose up picture of Bronaugh in HC Black uniform. Purple accent is shown on uniform. goholycross.com/news/2022/12/30/womens-basketball-womens-basketball-picks-up-first-conference-victory-at-bucknell.aspxStanford’s alternate gray uniform has the Logo with the tree instead of the University name or nickname of Cardinal. Stanford Athletics does not have an official mascot. The tree is the mascot of the infamous band. www.ebay.com/itm/305185201956?hash=item470e749f24:g:rm8AAOSwA8dlII3z |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 17, 2023 22:59:00 GMT -5
Still do not understand the angst regarding the HC uniform kits. HC last year used four different uniforms for games, Purple, White, Cream and Black. Purple uniforms were used for away games for the most part, and were used at the Fordham game. I like the style but not the tint of the Cream uniforms. They appear to need OxiClean or Espro Sports Clean to remove to my eye, a dingy off color tint for the uniform. The official HC color is Royal Purple with colors of White, Black and Gray. Using Blue, Cream, Buff, or any color in those spectrums should not be part of the HC uniform kits. Nor Heaven forbid… the accidenta l use of the color Maroon, which is a lower color of Purple on the spectrum.😂As long as the teams have Holy Cross across the front or the back, with the logo, regardless of the sport they are participating, I am rooting ardently for them to come out on top that day. I have included the video clip of HC playing in Purple uniforms at last years Tom Konchalski Classic and the game at Creighton, to validate that HC still has Purple uniforms…. Crucis, First, I don't know why the tweet didn't show up when I first posted, but I added it above, so look at the black uniform Caleb is wearing. Where is the purple complimented by the black? Where is the purple at all?? Holy Cross is on the leg of the shorts. Not exactly prominent. As I said in my post, it's about building the Holy Cross brand not supplementing the Adidas' brand. Years ago you related a story to me about entering the College Football Hall of Fame and being greeted by a large photo on the wall of a Crusader (Bruce Kozerski maybe?) which you knew immediately to be Holy Cross yet because of the helmet (purple with numbers on the side) and the purple jersey. And no one but an HC would know it was Holy Cross. Huge missed opportunity because out uniforms in the mid 80's had nothing obvious to ID the team as Holy Cross. That's what my "angst" is about. As I said, it's about branding. The uniform that says Crusaders must have been on sale in the Generic Uniform aisle at the Adidas store. And I'm with you on complimenting the purple with just about any color, but even if the all black uni had some purple in it, you couldn't tell because the black obliterates it. The picture was in the old College Football Hall of Fame in South Bend IN before the move to Atlanta. The HC Jersey was white, with purple trim around the sleeves as it was a game in Hanover NH against Dartmouth. The signature Dartmouth helmet was easy to recognize. The picture was in the Defense section of the Hall. As an aside, I showed the picture to FHC TG, who told me he was an Assisant Coach at Dartmouth when the picture was taken as he recognized the Dartmouth player. I believe the following season at the HC homecoming game, the HC interlocking logo returned to the helmets. Remembering at the 90 wide breakfast on Saturday before the game being told there was a uniform surprise to be seen by Joe Bertoletti. |
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Post by timholycross on Oct 19, 2023 6:33:19 GMT -5
It wouldn't be the worst thing if the black unis found their way inside of a dumpster behind the Luth. Or to ther "sale" table at discount prtices at reunion weekends. I was thinking "sale" as well; as in Chris Sale lending his expertise on how to cut up the black ones properly. The initial use of black unis in the Willard era was an unmitigated disastah, a blowout loss lowlighted by two major injuries (Van der Bomb and Doherty). Horrible first impression. And none of them, past or present; have looked very good. Having black is ok as long as you don't go out of your way to hide the purple. And ours do exactly that. |
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Post by bigfan on Oct 19, 2023 6:43:33 GMT -5
I want a team that can make the Big Dance every year, and they can have pink or black uniforms. Too much talk about uniforms, we need a better basketball program.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 19, 2023 6:53:43 GMT -5
Crucis, First, I don't know why the tweet didn't show up when I first posted, but I added it above, so look at the black uniform Caleb is wearing. Where is the purple complimented by the black? Where is the purple at all?? Holy Cross is on the leg of the shorts. Not exactly prominent. As I said in my post, it's about building the Holy Cross brand not supplementing the Adidas' brand. Years ago you related a story to me about entering the College Football Hall of Fame and being greeted by a large photo on the wall of a Crusader (Bruce Kozerski maybe?) which you knew immediately to be Holy Cross yet because of the helmet (purple with numbers on the side) and the purple jersey. And no one but an HC would know it was Holy Cross. Huge missed opportunity because out uniforms in the mid 80's had nothing obvious to ID the team as Holy Cross. That's what my "angst" is about. As I said, it's about branding. The uniform that says Crusaders must have been on sale in the Generic Uniform aisle at the Adidas store. And I'm with you on complimenting the purple with just about any color, but even if the all black uni had some purple in it, you couldn't tell because the black obliterates it. The picture was in the old College Football Hall of Fame in South Bend IN before the move to Atlanta. The HC Jersey was white, with purple trim around the sleeves as it was a game in Hanover NH against Dartmouth. The signature Dartmouth helmet was easy to recognize. The picture was in the Defense section of the Hall. As an aside, I showed the picture to FHC TG, who told me he was an Assisant Coach at Dartmouth when the picture was taken as he recognized the Dartmouth player. I believe the following season at the HC homecoming game, the HC interlocking logo returned to the helmets. Remembering at the 90 wide breakfast on Saturday before the game being told there was a uniform surprise to be seen by Joe Bertoletti. Don't believe the Duffner unis ever had the HC on them. Both the jersies (don't particularly care for, it was the person in charge emulating Notre Dame, his former employer; a bit too much; at it's unfortunately stuck around; can't remember the last jersies they had w/tv numbers) and helmets changed to HC under Peter Vaas. Edit- found proof that the helmets still had numbers Duff's final season. www.facebook.com/watch/?v=689341785653607 |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 19, 2023 8:19:59 GMT -5
HC was on the helmets in the late 1960’s and early 70’s with Coaches Boisture, Whitton and Doherty, until 1976 when Coach Wheelwright took over and placed the numbers on the helmets. This remained during the Carter and Duffner era, until 1992 when Coach Vass returned the HC to the helmets. During the Coach Allen era, multiple variations, we had helmets without a logo, as well as helmets with the Crusader on the horse. Helmets during the Gilmore era did not have the HC logo until I believe the 2014 season at the homecoming game. The Helmet project provides a view of the historical helmets for each school. There are inaccuracies regarding the HC helmet timeline depictions. www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/ |
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Post by JRGNYR on Oct 19, 2023 8:50:47 GMT -5
I much prefer the throwbacks.
Re: the black, I'm also not personally a fan but typically the athletes love them. Since they're the ones wearing them, they should get a say in the matter. And I'll go back to being the old man yelling at the clouds above my lawn.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 20, 2023 8:30:39 GMT -5
I much prefer the throwbacks. Re: the black, I'm also not personally a fan but typically the athletes love them. Since they're the ones wearing them, they should get a say in the matter. And I'll go back to being the old man yelling at the clouds above my lawn. I could accept them if they contained a decent amount of purple trim, lettering, etc....they just pay purple lip service in their current version. |
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