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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 31, 2023 9:47:17 GMT -5
It would not surprise me if HCDP uses a portion of the OOC to determine what the best combinations are on the floor, along with how minutes should be distributed.
That said, there are 200 minutes to go around each game. How do we think they'll go around next Monday at Siena?
First, in terms of HCDP's starting five --
PG: Batch SG: Joe SF: Bo PF: Caleb C: Louth
Here's what I'm thinking --
The 30+ minute guys: Bo, Joe, and Batch. Assuming these three stay out of foul trouble, there's no reason they all shouldn't see the floor for 30+ minutes. They're the leaders and most proven offensive threats we have.
20+ minutes: Caleb, Louth, Nugent
10+ minutes: Rabinovich, Singleton, Kirkwood, Tse/Wills
I think HCDP experiments with a variety of combinations and playing time, and then in the second half of the OOC begins to hone in on what the core group looks like.
What say you?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 31, 2023 9:50:20 GMT -5
Thanks you for starting this thread--I'm really interested in learning what people project here.
Wondering if a true point guard is ready we can slot Batch into the shooting guard position
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Post by Tom on Oct 31, 2023 11:09:46 GMT -5
Not a bad guess.
Over on the get to know thread, there's a practice update from Kirkwood. In it he mentions the development of Batch from shooter to point guard. Granted that is a classmate/buddy talking and not a coach, but it's one clue of where the point stands now
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 31, 2023 11:20:23 GMT -5
It would not surprise me if HCDP uses a portion of the OOC to determine what the best combinations are on the floor, along with how minutes should be distributed. That said, there are 200 minutes to go around each game. How do we think they'll go around next Monday at Siena? First, in terms of HCDP's starting five -- PG: Batch SG: Joe SF: Bo PF: Caleb C: Louth Here's what I'm thinking -- The 30+ minute guys: Bo, Joe, and Batch. Assuming these three stay out of foul trouble, there's no reason they all shouldn't see the floor for 30+ minutes. They're the leaders and most proven offensive threats we have. 20+ minutes: Caleb, Louth, Nugent 10+ minutes: Rabinovich, Singleton, Kirkwood, Tse/Wills I think HCDP experiments with a variety of combinations and playing time, and then in the second half of the OOC begins to hone in on what the core group looks like. What say you? This sound reasonable, SoV. I also would not be surprised if Ryan comes on and gets himself at least in that 10+ minutes group at some point.
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Post by Crosser on Nov 1, 2023 0:26:16 GMT -5
It would not surprise me if HCDP uses a portion of the OOC to determine what the best combinations are on the floor, along with how minutes should be distributed. That said, there are 200 minutes to go around each game. How do we think they'll go around next Monday at Siena? First, in terms of HCDP's starting five -- PG: Batch SG: Joe SF: Bo PF: Caleb C: Louth Here's what I'm thinking -- The 30+ minute guys: Bo, Joe, and Batch. Assuming these three stay out of foul trouble, there's no reason they all shouldn't see the floor for 30+ minutes. They're the leaders and most proven offensive threats we have. 20+ minutes: Caleb, Louth, Nugent 10+ minutes: Rabinovich, Singleton, Kirkwood, Tse/Wills I think HCDP experiments with a variety of combinations and playing time, and then in the second half of the OOC begins to hone in on what the core group looks like. What say you? This sound reasonable, SoV. I also would not be surprised if Ryan comes on and gets himself at least in that 10+ minutes group at some point. I’m thinking he’ll be closer to 20 minutes.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 1, 2023 6:33:08 GMT -5
This sound reasonable, SoV. I also would not be surprised if Ryan comes on and gets himself at least in that 10+ minutes group at some point. I’m thinking he’ll be closer to 20 minutes. Declan Ryan getting 20 minutes would be shocking, IMO.
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Post by Tom on Nov 1, 2023 7:48:25 GMT -5
I do not anticipate Ryan playing alongside Coulibaly or Rabs I am guessing that Coulibaly starts. His best season he averaged 15 minutes per game. While I think he'll be in SoV's 20+ category for minutes, my gut says he'll be in the low 20's. That means that role will have close to 20 minutes per game. I think they'll be stretches when the team is small with Kenney (or maybe Nugent) in that spot, but also decent minutes for some combination of Rabs and Ryan. Frankly both are kind of unproven commodities in my book from either age or health. Based on the two open practices, none of the three bigs seem destined for high 20's minutes. All were somewhat hampered with health during the preseason. Most especially at this position, the November answer might not be the same as the February answer. I might comment more six days from now
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 1, 2023 8:14:17 GMT -5
It would not surprise me if HCDP uses a portion of the OOC to determine what the best combinations are on the floor, along with how minutes should be distributed. That said, there are 200 minutes to go around each game. How do we think they'll go around next Monday at Siena? First, in terms of HCDP's starting five -- PG: Batch SG: Joe SF: Bo PF: Caleb C: Louth Here's what I'm thinking -- The 30+ minute guys: Bo, Joe, and Batch. Assuming these three stay out of foul trouble, there's no reason they all shouldn't see the floor for 30+ minutes. They're the leaders and most proven offensive threats we have. 20+ minutes: Caleb, Louth, Nugent 10+ minutes: Rabinovich, Singleton, Kirkwood, Tse/Wills I think HCDP experiments with a variety of combinations and playing time, and then in the second half of the OOC begins to hone in on what the core group looks like. What say you? I think both Declan Ryan and DeandreWilliams will get minutes. Both know how to score the ball, Ryan is the best inside scorer of the bigs. He just migh5 be thr surprise player of the year. I think we will see a lot of bodies out the early in the season, and maybe go 10 deep during league play, with time dependent on needs vs the night’s opposition. I think this will be a very interesting team to watch. I also feel it may be a bit frustrating at times, with a lot of young play out there, but they need to play to get better…
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 1, 2023 8:23:37 GMT -5
Ryan will be PL ROY
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 1, 2023 8:27:18 GMT -5
From everything I hear I think Singleton might get in that 15 minutes per game range - maybe more. I heard he's physical and just an overall good player.
My guess regarding all of this. DP will play the kids who play D first, including rebounding. Probably the quickest way to get on the court early for a coach like this.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 1, 2023 8:43:50 GMT -5
It would not surprise me if HCDP uses a portion of the OOC to determine what the best combinations are on the floor, along with how minutes should be distributed. That said, there are 200 minutes to go around each game. How do we think they'll go around next Monday at Siena? First, in terms of HCDP's starting five -- PG: Batch SG: Joe SF: Bo PF: Caleb C: Louth Here's what I'm thinking -- The 30+ minute guys: Bo, Joe, and Batch. Assuming these three stay out of foul trouble, there's no reason they all shouldn't see the floor for 30+ minutes. They're the leaders and most proven offensive threats we have. 20+ minutes: Caleb, Louth, Nugent 10+ minutes: Rabinovich, Singleton, Kirkwood, Tse/Wills I think HCDP experiments with a variety of combinations and playing time, and then in the second half of the OOC begins to hone in on what the core group looks like. What say you? I think both Declan Ryan and DeandreWilliams will get minutes. Both know how to score the ball, Ryan is the best inside scorer of the bigs. He just migh5 be thr surprise player of the year. Very encouraging news. A big guy who's already polished on offense is a big bonus. Definitely expect him to see the floor, but I thought he'd in that 5-8 minute range. Maybe he's already ahead of Rabs on the depth chart? That said, just hard to see him as a 20 minute guy right away.
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Post by Crosser on Nov 1, 2023 10:35:06 GMT -5
I’m thinking he’ll be closer to 20 minutes. Declan Ryan getting 20 minutes would be shocking, IMO. My thinking is he’ll be closer to 20 than to 10. In the open practice he surpassed my expectations more than any other player. He has much more upside than our incumbent bigs. So, who knows?
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Post by hchoops on Nov 1, 2023 10:58:32 GMT -5
Any reports from yesterday’s scrimmage ?
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Post by Tom on Nov 1, 2023 11:14:29 GMT -5
It would not surprise me if HCDP uses a portion of the OOC to determine what the best combinations are on the floor, along with how minutes should be distributed. That said, there are 200 minutes to go around each game. How do we think they'll go around next Monday at Siena? First, in terms of HCDP's starting five -- PG: Batch SG: Joe SF: Bo PF: Caleb C: Louth Here's what I'm thinking -- The 30+ minute guys: Bo, Joe, and Batch. Assuming these three stay out of foul trouble, there's no reason they all shouldn't see the floor for 30+ minutes. They're the leaders and most proven offensive threats we have. 20+ minutes: Caleb, Louth, Nugent 10+ minutes: Rabinovich, Singleton, Kirkwood, Tse/Wills I think HCDP experiments with a variety of combinations and playing time, and then in the second half of the OOC begins to hone in on what the core group looks like. What say you? I think this will be a very interesting team to watch. I also feel it may be a bit frustrating at times, with a lot of young play out there, but they need to play to get better… Picking the semi random number of 500 minutes - which I think is on the low side for a regular rotation guy in a season. . . Of the 13 scholarship players on this roster, five have played 500 minutes of college ball. This is an inexperienced team. Inexperience leads to inconsistency which can lead to frustration. Yup. We're gonna be a bit frustrated ----- Montgomery 2067 minutes Octave 1525 minutes Tse 1479 minutes Kenney 1331 minutes Batch 1023 minutes
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Post by hchoops on Nov 1, 2023 11:26:51 GMT -5
Good digging, Tom. Therefore we are going to need to rely heavily on inexperienced players, most especially, freshmen. (Captain Obvious) But the big questions are which freshmen and how many minutes. Despite our recent losing seasons, a number of freshmen have stood out: Batch, Luc, Pridgen, etc. We need more than one to perform strongly this season.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 1, 2023 11:45:23 GMT -5
Tse might get more PT early on as an older guy, but I think he's going to have the Wills-Williams-Singleton troika nipping at his heels as the season goes on.
Ryan might benefit early from CDP possibly using caution with easing Louth and Rabs back into the picture. Patience indeed will be needed.
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 1, 2023 12:09:12 GMT -5
From what I have seen, in 3 practices, all the freshman can play. Ryan's big drawback is defending players with size, not unusual in freshman bigs at HC's level. The 2 things I have noticed at practices that CDP emphasizes are shot selection, and moving on defense. Shot selection is more about getting good makeable shots, at any time in the shot clock. Moving on D, anticipate the pass and arrive at the spot you belong in as or before the ball gets there. Too many players watch the ball in the air and then move, that is too late..Weather playing on the ball or double teaming, it isn't how fast one moves but how soon they move. Still, looking forward to this season and watching this team get better every time out there!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 15, 2023 13:24:28 GMT -5
It didn't take long for HCDP to find his "core seven."
After dispersing the minutes against Siena to 11 players, nine played against Georgetown (Singleton six minutes, Ryan one minute) and nine played against SHU (Singleton three minutes, Ryan one minute).
The core seven now are: Batch, Octave, Bo, Nugent, Kenney, Louth, and DW.
I imagine this might fluctuate throughout the OOC, particularly with three games in three days in Rock Hill, SC.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 15, 2023 13:27:08 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Ryan may have gotten more time the last 2 games if he didn't comit 2 fouls in his first minute of action both games.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 15, 2023 13:29:26 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Ryan may have gotten more time the last 2 games if he didn't comit 2 fouls in his first minute of action both games. Maybe, but I'm not sure. It's not like he's a starter playing big minutes who HCDP needs to keep out of foul trouble. If he's only going to be playing 6-10 minutes a game, foul trouble shouldn't matter. Unless your point is that HCDP wanted to keep HC out of the penalty, so he needed to pull Ryan out of the game. FWIW, I thought one of the fouls he committed last night was pretty ticky tacky.
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Post by Tom on Nov 15, 2023 13:59:34 GMT -5
It didn't take long for HCDP to find his "core seven." After dispersing the minutes against Siena to 11 players, nine played against Georgetown (Singleton six minutes, Ryan one minute) and nine played against SHU (Singleton three minutes, Ryan one minute). The core seven now are: Batch, Octave, Bo, Nugent, Kenney, Louth, and DW. I imagine this might fluctuate throughout the OOC, particularly with three games in three days in Rock Hill, SC. Wills' time against Siena came when Singleton got in foul trouble real fast in the first half. Tse who also played against Siena was not dressed last night
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Post by Tom on Nov 15, 2023 14:01:18 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Ryan may have gotten more time the last 2 games if he didn't comit 2 fouls in his first minute of action both games. Maybe, but I'm not sure. It's not like he's a starter playing big minutes who HCDP needs to keep out of foul trouble. If he's only going to be playing 6-10 minutes a game, foul trouble shouldn't matter. Unless your point is that HCDP wanted to keep HC out of the penalty, so he needed to pull Ryan out of the game. FWIW, I thought one of the fouls he committed last night was pretty ticky tacky. Or, if you can't defend without fouling on every possession, you're not helping us. 2 fouls in a minute in a half is a lot. Even if one was ticky tack
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Post by Crosser on Nov 15, 2023 14:35:23 GMT -5
I’m certain that Ryan would have played longer than a minute if he hadn’t committed those two fouls. While Paulsen isn’t concerned about him fouling out, he clearly expects him to be able to play and contribute something. Based on the one open practice I saw, the kid has some potential.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 15, 2023 14:58:23 GMT -5
I do want to say that I think Caleb is working very hard and getting a lot out of his abilities so far.
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 15, 2023 15:58:11 GMT -5
I do want to say that I think Caleb is working very hard and getting a lot out of his abilities so far. He is showing signs of being able to put the ball in the hoop. He is scoring around the hoop, and I have seen him shoot and hit short jumpers in practice...
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