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Post by hcpride on Nov 10, 2023 9:59:13 GMT -5
/\ There's probably a general thought amongst the serious prognosticators that we are a one-bid league this year so there is not much discussion to be had at this point in terms of PL. (and Laffy wins) Bite your tongue( or finger) Strange edit. This is what I typed: /\ There's probably a general thought amongst the serious prognosticators that we are a one-bid league this year so there is not much discussion to be had at this point in terms of PL.
When we beat Army (and Laffy wins) that may change.
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 10, 2023 10:09:21 GMT -5
Interesting discussion on the CAA. Nova, Delaware, Albany, but it seems like they aren't even sure on 3 bids. Valley will be interesting these next 2 weeks. I think 4 is safe, not sure about 5.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 10, 2023 11:19:21 GMT -5
Interesting discussion on the CAA. Nova, Delaware, Albany, but it seems like they aren't even sure on 3 bids. Valley will be interesting these next 2 weeks. I think 4 is safe, not sure about 5. Agree that there's a slim chance the CAA only gets two bids if things break right (for us). Still, they're probably a three bid league with Albany, UD, and then take your pick between Elon, Richmond, and Villanova. Interestingly enough, I could see the Valley getting six. The bubble looks to be weak this year. If a team finishes with seven wins in the best FCS conference, I think that's going to go a long ways. SDSU is a lock. South Dakota is a lock, so long as they win one game over their next two weeks. Then you have five teams currently sitting at 6-3. UND (at USD and vs. Illinois St and NDSU (vs. SIU and at UNI) have the toughest remaining schedules. My gut tells me we will see for sure five out of the Valley, and perhaps a sixth.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 10, 2023 11:24:40 GMT -5
CAA is going to be a 3 bid league barring everything breaking perfectly. I think that's the way we need to look at it. Might even be 4.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 10, 2023 12:55:39 GMT -5
CAA is going to be a 3 bid league barring everything breaking perfectly. I think that's the way we need to look at it. Might even be 4. Many, many things are possible but looking at most likely I think you're right.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 10, 2023 14:15:55 GMT -5
CAA is going to be a 3 bid league barring everything breaking perfectly. I think that's the way we need to look at it. Might even be 4. Not sure it was on the podcast or not but Herder recently brought up HC relative to a 4th CAA team. His base case is that Albany, UD and Nova are all in with 8-9 wins. If Elon wins out, he said it will be very tough for the committee to leave out a 7-1 (7-4 overall with very tough OOC) co-champ from the CAA and compared their resume to a couple 7-4 Valley teams they could bump. However, when he put the shoe on Richmond beating Elon and winning out at 8-3; he said their resume might need help "especially if Holy Cross finishes 8-3 with an Army win and better losses, HC could bump Richmond on the bubble." Saturday night a fuller picture will be in view and a lot of prognostication will slow.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 10, 2023 15:36:15 GMT -5
Current SOS with two weeks to go- Some are seeds, some are AQ, and the rest, but not all others, are potential at large/bubble teams. Included Harvard since it was a loss. You can see why many are suggesting ICWU might be left out
Northern Iowa 3 Idaho 7 S Dakota 8 Montana St 9 Sac St 12 Southern Illinois 13 S Dakota St 16 Youngstown St 19
UC Davis 21 NDSU 22 Austin Peay 24 Central Arkansas 28 Elon 29
Albany 30 Gardner Webb 34
Western Carolina 43 Montana 44 Holy Cross 47 Illinois St 48 Colgate 49
Furman 50 Nova 51 William and Mary 52 Tarleton St 57
Delaware 63 TN Martin 67 Laffy 69
Samford 72 Mercer 75 Lamar 77
TN Chatt 80 ICW 81 Harvard 82 Fordham 84 Richmond 85
TN St 96
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Post by hchoops on Nov 10, 2023 16:25:46 GMT -5
Losing to #69 hurts us
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 10, 2023 19:44:16 GMT -5
We didn’t, it’s saying Lafayette has the 69th toughest schedule in FCS. Because their OOC games were not as challenging as ours. Sacred Heart, Duke, Colombia, Princeton, Monmouth. There are 128 total teams in FCS this year FWIW.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Nov 11, 2023 8:35:19 GMT -5
/\ There's probably a general thought amongst the serious prognosticators that we are a one-bid league this year so there is not much discussion to be had at this point in terms of PL. (and Laffy wins) Bite your tongue( or finger) A poster on the Fordham board says that Lafayette's Jamar Curtis, who torched HC, is out today. Interesting.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 11, 2023 8:46:33 GMT -5
Bite your tongue( or finger) A poster on the Fordham board says that Lafayette's Jamar Curtis, who torched HC, is out today. Interesting. He was also out against Colgate. There will be some serious scoreboard watching and dual-screens happening for the noon games.
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Post by sader81 on Nov 13, 2023 17:16:14 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on Nov 13, 2023 17:36:57 GMT -5
Pretty close to accurate going into the final weekend
Honestly I am conflicted, as I don't care for Laffy or its coach and wouldn't mind if they lost by 50
Unfortunately that will keep the PL at one bid for the next generation
Get out of a league by 2025 that does absolutely nothing for Holy Cross!!
Other than Colgate the members are not academic equivalents Other than Fordham there is no tradition Other than Colgate, Army, and Navy in hoops nobody cares about winning
Most importantly nothing from the member schools compares to Crossports which is the true measure of success and greatness
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 13, 2023 17:49:21 GMT -5
You need to get out of the forest and start looking at the trees, my friend! We can be concerned/worry/think about 2025, 26, 27 . . . . . later, as to whether the Patriot League remains a 1 bid league. For now, let's focus on things that are a little closer . . . . this season. While it most assuredly will be a one bid league this year, as long as it's Holy Cross getting that bid, I'll be fine.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 13, 2023 18:29:23 GMT -5
You are a brilliant and remarkable man, but I might suggest your love for the past is not the future in college athletics. If you want to believe the PL is our future, I need to take you to dinner. It would be great if true, but it is not the case.
Three years from now, to get the same football results, will require us to deliver an annual NIL of $250k plus, to stay at this level and compete against a league that bares little financial or emotional value. The world is changing by the minute
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 13, 2023 21:33:46 GMT -5
Neither brilliant nor remarkable as many can attest but I think you may have misconstrued my prior post.
My attempted meaning was that we shouldn’t be concerned about the future beyond this coming weekend football-wise. I am extremely confident the PL this year will get into the playoffs only the league champion and no at-large whether that be Holy Cross or Lafayette. So, it matters little right now (the trees) whether the PL gets future multi-bids or not and whether HC moves on to a different league (the forest). You’re thinking strategic and I’m stuck in tactical mode.🤷♂️
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Post by Ignutz on Nov 13, 2023 22:37:09 GMT -5
Duquesne at 6-4 today with a loss last week to Stonehill, and slammed in their two FBS games? I guess I need to do some research on how that’s possible.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 13, 2023 23:47:12 GMT -5
Holy Cross has a stronger schedule this season in the PL and the five OOC games the league allows than teams such as Villanova, Bill and Mary, Delaware and Richmond - all schools that posters who are advocating to leave the PL have held up as examples of stronger programs they would like HC to emulate and join with. Our schedule includes two games against the poorly regarded IL, two fellow in-state Catholic Schools and National Institution the United States Military Academy.
I'm disappointed being 6-4 after 12-1 last season but I can't blame the schedule or the league.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 13, 2023 23:59:56 GMT -5
Very frustrating.....if we win just one of those 3 OOC losses I think we'd be a no-brainer at-large play-off team.
As I've said though, I'd much rather play the schedule we did this year (Army, BC, Harvard and Yale) and not make the playoffs than watering-down the schedule and eke into the FCS playoffs.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 14, 2023 5:54:48 GMT -5
This was a great and challenging schedule this season.
Our team was the “man in the arena” who MAY have failed, greatly, but better than the timid souls. But, we still have a chance going into the last week. If we win, remember, whatever Lafayette does against Lehigh, we would be at worst, co-champs of the league.
That would still be 5 consecutive league championships, just not 5 sole championships and still not a bad season. The problem is, we’ve been spoiled. 😉
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 14, 2023 11:25:28 GMT -5
We had two romps against weak PL teams. The problem is Lafayette was projected to be a third weak team but they weren't. That's sports.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 14, 2023 12:07:29 GMT -5
Craig Haley @craighaley The Analyst
Rock the FCS postseason boat?
W&M: top Richmond, drop CAA to 3 bids UNI: pull upset, finish two Ws over NDSU in MVFC Holy Cross: 7-4 with two 3-point FBS Ls E Illinois: reach 8-3 (8-2 FCS) Chatty: play well vs Bama Morgan St: pull a Howard vs Howard SWAC West: Alcorn & PVAMU lose 11:48 AM · Nov 14, 2023 · 1,502 Views
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 14, 2023 12:11:50 GMT -5
Craig Haley @craighaley The Analyst Rock the FCS postseason boat? W&M: top Richmond, drop CAA to 3 bids UNI: pull upset, finish two Ws over NDSU in MVFC Holy Cross: 7-4 with two 3-point FBS Ls E Illinois: reach 8-3 (8-2 FCS) Chatty: play well vs Bama Morgan St: pull a Howard vs Howard SWAC West: Alcorn & PVAMU lose 11:48 AM · Nov 14, 2023 · 1,502 Views Now you're making me think there's some path for us and, naturally, I have to look at every game involving playoff bubble teams and determine who needs to win for us to have even a glimmer of hope come selection Sunday.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 14, 2023 12:34:41 GMT -5
Very frustrating.....if we win just one of those 3 OOC losses I think we'd be a no-brainer at-large play-off team. As I've said though, I'd much rather play the schedule we did this year (Army, BC, Harvard and Yale) and not make the playoffs than watering-down the schedule and eke into the FCS playoffs. 100%. Especially since we easily could've had our cake and ate it too. 3 point losses to BC and Army. 4 point loss to Lafayette. We win any of those 3 and we're dancing again. As much as I've been a fan of FCS and actually enjoy the postseason, games against BC and Army are tough to top. The energy in the EZ during the 2 hour weather delay at BC could never be topped in the FCS playoff tournament -- not even an 8OT win over North Dakota State in Frisco.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 14, 2023 13:09:03 GMT -5
This won't happen, but it would be a positive for the program.
Future schedules- given no changes in conference affiliation
PL 6 games (3 Home)
One Buy Games BC, Syracuse- Army- Navy- USAFA-Rutgers
Annual Games UConn and UMass- one home and one away- not a buy-game
Play two each year - one home and one away Harvard-Yale-Dartmouth- Princeton ( H/A)
12-game season, add one more buy-game
It gives us five home games each year and local flavor with 2 FBS programs- UConn and UMass.
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