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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 22, 2023 9:37:27 GMT -5
Count me in for dropping the ivys, or at least capping it at 1 a season. Too much risk, not enough reward playing them both. I agree. Another reason the IVY gets no credit nationally look at their out of conference games. They very rarely schedule and play ranked teams. Besides us Harvard has played Merrimack St Thomas Lafayette San Diego Howard Rhode Island who they lost two twice. IVY schedule an FBS game what are you afraid of?
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 9:39:10 GMT -5
Merrimack beat us at Fitton in 2021. Their program is improving. Why not schedule them?
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 22, 2023 9:49:01 GMT -5
William and Mary, Villanova and Richmond have presumably been contacted by HC about scheduling football games over the years. Nobody spit in our face obviously but after going over travel costs, the other schools - except for one regular season game vs Villanova and W&M during the Duffner years that I recall, scheduled closer FCS games.
Now that HC represents a chance at a quality win or loss, maybe it will change.
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Post by alum on Nov 22, 2023 10:17:37 GMT -5
Merrimack beat us at Fitton in 2021. Their program is improving. Why not schedule them? I would rather play flagship state universities in a higher ranked league than a school which was recently in D2 and plays in a lower ranked league.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 22, 2023 10:25:52 GMT -5
W&M games were scheduled when W&M was slated to be in the Patriot League, which they subsequently decided against doing. Most likely, it was easier for both parties to keep those games rather than try and find new opponents.
Two Villanova games, home and home ('87 and '89). '87 was year 3 of their program revival, HC won pretty easily; '89 they were much better but HC still beat them pretty handily.
After that, it seemed like HC let the contracts/relationships with scholarship programs run their course and replaced them by Ivies they traditionally played plus some that they had hardly played at all previously.
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 10:27:54 GMT -5
Merrimack beat us at Fitton in 2021. Their program is improving. Why not schedule them? I would rather play flagship state universities in a higher ranked league than a school which was recently in D2 and plays in a lower ranked league. I hear you, but we have to plug holes in our schedule somehow from time to time. Would be great to play UConn and UMass every year, but they won't commit to that for obvious reasons.
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Post by alum on Nov 22, 2023 10:39:35 GMT -5
I would rather play flagship state universities in a higher ranked league than a school which was recently in D2 and plays in a lower ranked league. I hear you, but we have to plug holes in our schedule somehow from time to time. Would be great to play UConn and UMass every year, but they won't commit to that for obvious reasons. I was following up on my prior post about FCS games. My reference to flaghsip universities in a higher league was to URI, UMaine, and UNH from the CAA.
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 10:42:12 GMT -5
I hear you, but we have to plug holes in our schedule somehow from time to time. Would be great to play UConn and UMass every year, but they won't commit to that for obvious reasons. I was following up on my prior post about FCS games. My reference to flaghsip universities in a higher league was to URI, UMaine, and UNH from the CAA. Got it. Makes sense. I still would like to play UConn and UMass, but they are rightfully fearful of that matchup which gives me some satisfaction.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 22, 2023 10:53:04 GMT -5
This year the Harvard and Yale OOC were
Holy Cross Sacred Heart Morgan State St. Thomas Howard
Don't know why a couple of posters are so desperate to be part of this football group. Does nothing for me.
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Post by alum on Nov 22, 2023 10:58:37 GMT -5
This year the Harvard and Yale OOC were Holy Cross Sacred Heart Morgan State St. Thomas Howard Don't know why a coupe of posters are so desperate to be part of this football group. Does nothing for me. Not desperate--just think that the Ivies are a better choice than Stonehill, Merrimack, CCSU, Sacred Heart, etc. They are more interesting and, quite frankly, better football schools in a higher ranked conference. If we think playing the Ivies is hurting us with the playoff committee, I have to think more games with the NEC schools will be even more of an issue. I want somebody who sees the scores of our games to say, "I have heard of those schools." That works if the games are against the Ivies and the CAA state universities.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 22, 2023 11:10:11 GMT -5
Agree
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 22, 2023 11:15:14 GMT -5
W&M games were scheduled when W&M was slated to be in the Patriot League, which they subsequently decided against doing. Most likely, it was easier for both parties to keep those games rather than try and find new opponents. Two Villanova games, home and home ('87 and '89). '87 was year 3 of their program revival, HC won pretty easily; '89 they were much better but HC still beat them pretty handily. After that, it seemed like HC let the contracts/relationships with scholarship programs run their course and replaced them by Ivies they traditionally played plus some that they had hardly played at all previously. We play three Pennsy teams and one DC/VA area team every year as it is so at least a little less diesel exhaust was spewed into the atmosphere by playing the New England Ivies.
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Post by wstruz71 on Nov 22, 2023 11:54:02 GMT -5
I am a big fan of Holy Cross playing the Ivies, as there is a lot of tradition and clout, and it makes us look academically equivalent to these schools. Because Holy Cross has had some good seasons under Chesney, I sense some posters are now getting cocky. For this reason, they feel we should drop the Ivies and upgrade the schedule. Remember, our winning ways are not going to continue forever, as Holy Cross is not a football powerhouse like Notre Dame, Alabama, Ohio State, etc. In addition to the Ivies, I would like to see New Hampshire, Rhode Island, or Maine on the schedule each year. Finally, I am not a big fan of the FCS playoffs, as they lack clout and occur at. a bad time of the academic year. I think it is absurd to see Holy Cross flying to North or South Dakota or Montana during this time of year. This is more of a penance than a reward, particularly this year with all the injuries.
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 12:04:35 GMT -5
Some valid points, but HC playing outside of the northeast helps with exposure considerably. I mean, the only justification I've heard for that ridiculous state of Massachusetts on the basketball court is so that nobody confuses us with the other Holy Cross.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 22, 2023 12:10:58 GMT -5
Some valid points, but HC playing outside of the northeast helps with exposure considerably. I mean, the only justification I've heard for that ridiculous state of Massachusetts on the basketball court is so that nobody confuses us with the other Holy Cross. What other Holy Cross?
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Post by HC92 on Nov 22, 2023 12:11:54 GMT -5
W&M games were scheduled when W&M was slated to be in the Patriot League, which they subsequently decided against doing. Most likely, it was easier for both parties to keep those games rather than try and find new opponents. Two Villanova games, home and home ('87 and '89). '87 was year 3 of their program revival, HC won pretty easily; '89 they were much better but HC still beat them pretty handily. After that, it seemed like HC let the contracts/relationships with scholarship programs run their course and replaced them by Ivies they traditionally played plus some that they had hardly played at all previously. We play three Pennsy teams and one DC/VA area team every year as it is so at least a little less diesel exhaust was spewed into the atmosphere by playing the New England Ivies. When you factor in all the HC fans traveling to New Haven and Cambridge, I’d say our carbon footprint for those games is pretty big. Play WPI and save the planet! Fans won’t go and the team can walk.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 22, 2023 12:19:02 GMT -5
We play three Pennsy teams and one DC/VA area team every year as it is so at least a little less diesel exhaust was spewed into the atmosphere by playing the New England Ivies. When you factor in all the HC fans traveling to New Haven and Cambridge, I’d say our carbon footprint for those games is pretty big. Play WPI and save the planet! Fans won’t go and the team can walk. I took public transit to the Fordham game this year. Hope that helped! And I flew to Boston for the Harvard game in 2022 (took public transit to and from both airports for bonus points). Carpooled with my dad for our game 2 weekends ago but last couple times I went up to West Point for football I took the ferry round trip from Battery Park which was an awesome experience. Much longer trip for me given I can drive to West Point in 50 minutes from my house but super cool.
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 12:20:00 GMT -5
Some valid points, but HC playing outside of the northeast helps with exposure considerably. I mean, the only justification I've heard for that ridiculous state of Massachusetts on the basketball court is so that nobody confuses us with the other Holy Cross. What other Holy Cross? Holy Cross College in Indiana. I don't know....other people have told me that many middle country folks are more aware of them than they are of us. It was the justification given to me when I made a stink about the state of Massachusetts on the hoops floor. We aren't a state school.....
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 22, 2023 12:23:23 GMT -5
I was at BC and Army
We travel VERY WELL.
My 2 cents for the ideal schedule 6 PL games 1 FBS $ game 1 Sevice Academy include Air Force (Nate Pine might help here) and play Navy and Army any time they want! 2 Ivy: Yes, we want to be associate with those schools 1 Northeast land grant university 1 Go nuts: play in Texas , or California
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Post by crusader1970 on Nov 22, 2023 12:23:40 GMT -5
I am a big fan of Holy Cross playing the Ivies, as there is a lot of tradition and clout, and it makes us look academically equivalent to these schools. Because Holy Cross has had some good seasons under Chesney, I sense some posters are now getting cocky. For this reason, they feel we should drop the Ivies and upgrade the schedule. Remember, our winning ways are not going to continue forever, as Holy Cross is not a football powerhouse like Notre Dame, Alabama, Ohio State, etc. In addition to the Ivies, I would like to see New Hampshire, Rhode Island, or Maine on the schedule each year. Finally, I am not a big fan of the FCS playoffs, as they lack clout and occur at. a bad time of the academic year. I think it is absurd to see Holy Cross flying to North or South Dakota or Montana during this time of year. This is more of a penance than a reward, particularly this year with all the injuries.I think I can name about 60 HC players and a coaching staff who would strongly disagree with you.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 22, 2023 13:17:00 GMT -5
I was at BC and Army We travel VERY WELL. My 2 cents for the ideal schedule 6 PL games 1 FBS $ game 1 Sevice Academy include Air Force (Nate Pine might help here) and play Navy and Army any time they want! 2 Ivy: Yes, we want to be associate with those schools 1 Northeast land grant university 1 Go nuts: play in Texas , or California I think the latter 4 choices end up being a rotation and only the "one-in-seven" years they get to play 12 includes all of them. Playing H & Y annually (and Dartmouth as a replacement when one of those pair can't play) is fine; the rest contribute nothing to Holy Cross Football in several key areas.
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Post by wstruz71 on Nov 22, 2023 13:40:09 GMT -5
I am a big fan of Holy Cross playing the Ivies, as there is a lot of tradition and clout, and it makes us look academically equivalent to these schools. Because Holy Cross has had some good seasons under Chesney, I sense some posters are now getting cocky. For this reason, they feel we should drop the Ivies and upgrade the schedule. Remember, our winning ways are not going to continue forever, as Holy Cross is not a football powerhouse like Notre Dame, Alabama, Ohio State, etc. In addition to the Ivies, I would like to see New Hampshire, Rhode Island, or Maine on the schedule each year. Finally, I am not a big fan of the FCS playoffs, as they lack clout and occur at. a bad time of the academic year. I think it is absurd to see Holy Cross flying to North or South Dakota or Montana during this time of year. This is more of a penance than a reward, particularly this year with all the injuries.I think I can name about 60 HC players and a coaching staff who would strongly disagree with you. I'm glad to hear it. Maybe that's one reason why I never played football in college.
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Post by gks on Nov 22, 2023 14:00:07 GMT -5
I am a big fan of Holy Cross playing the Ivies, as there is a lot of tradition and clout, and it makes us look academically equivalent to these schools. Because Holy Cross has had some good seasons under Chesney, I sense some posters are now getting cocky. For this reason, they feel we should drop the Ivies and upgrade the schedule. Remember, our winning ways are not going to continue forever, as Holy Cross is not a football powerhouse like Notre Dame, Alabama, Ohio State, etc. In addition to the Ivies, I would like to see New Hampshire, Rhode Island, or Maine on the schedule each year. Finally, I am not a big fan of the FCS playoffs, as they lack clout and occur at. a bad time of the academic year. I think it is absurd to see Holy Cross flying to North or South Dakota or Montana during this time of year. This is more of a penance than a reward, particularly this year with all the injuries. Please let us know...when it comes to FCS football what clout do the Ivies have? Evidence points to the exact opposite. Also the line....makes us look academically equivalent....Holy Cross should be Holy Cross.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 22, 2023 14:02:48 GMT -5
Harvard and Yale play as regional a schedule as is humanly possible. Harvard has ventured south of the Potomac just four times in school history, none south of Williamsburg.
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Post by mm67 on Nov 22, 2023 14:15:32 GMT -5
IL friends refer to HC as near Ivy and have done so for decades. HC is highly respected in academia & the professional world. Obviously HC does not fit the secular, small-mid size university IL model. An MD acquaintance at an IL medical center in NYC stated HC was highly respected by those in the know. No doubt HC's high integrity non-professional student-athlete policy burnished its reputation. Add redshirts, increase roster size, "adjust" academics for athletes, drop IL, add state universities & local opponents & HC loses and becomes merely another small sports oriented Catholic college among many.
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