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Post by bballjones on Nov 20, 2023 7:24:42 GMT -5
Same way they prepared for Georgetown . . . . St. John’s has far more talent than GTown, inc a very tough big, Figueroa. He was the only returnee whom Pitino did not run off. You meant Soriano…
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Post by newfieguy74 on Nov 20, 2023 8:03:33 GMT -5
DeAndre Williams has now played 136 minutes, many spent penetrating the lane, and still hasn't taken a free throw. He seems intent on being pass first, which is appreciated, but thought there were a few occasions today when the better option was to take it to the hoop himself, maybe draw some contact. His A/TO is now north of 4:1. Impressive for any guard handling so much in traffic, much less a freshman. DW and Nugent are playing a lot of minutes, I think primarily because they play good defense (especially Williams), and generally make good decisions. I have a feeling that DW's offense will come around but he knows what's keeping him on the floor.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 20, 2023 8:10:44 GMT -5
I like what I see with the freshmen and less so with the veterans.
I’ll leave this thought generically rather than pick on or praise individuals.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 20, 2023 8:22:55 GMT -5
St. John’s has far more talent than GTown, inc a very tough big, Figueroa. He was the only returnee whom Pitino did not run off. You meant Soriano… Thank you
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Post by Tom on Nov 20, 2023 8:43:54 GMT -5
Good to see better free throw shooting today by the Crusaders: 10/13= .729 including Joe Octave's 6 for 7. Interesting that the top ten free throw shooting teams (percentage wise) are a composite W-L 28-14 YTD while the bottom 10 are W-L13-23. This does not address the all-important "getting to the line" issue. 2-2 from Coulibaly was a plus. The nightmare at Siena was in part because most of the free throws were taken by Coulibaly and an uncharacteristically cold Montgomery. Yesterday 9 out of 13 were taken by Batch and Octave. That helps the percentage -------------------------- Nugent took his first free throw yesterday, However, it was in defensive rebounding action. Not Nugent going to the hoop
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 20, 2023 9:06:37 GMT -5
It takes a while for the team to figure out their roles to win. Score, defend, rebound, etc. Seems to me that those roles are evolving. St. John’s is going to test the player’s ability to play those roles. A needed test IMHO..See what and where players can do looking toward league play.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 20, 2023 9:07:11 GMT -5
Joe N. did drive to the basket from the circle once yesterday - first time I can recall him doing that. He has taken 90% of his shots beyond the arc (33-38), and has hit 42%, which is fabulous. Would like to see him attacking the basket a little more often.
Nugent and Williams have logged almost 300 minutes, with a single missed free throw between them. They'll likely each be averaging 30m+ per, so hope/believe we'll see that start to change in the games ahead.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 20, 2023 9:10:40 GMT -5
Good to see better free throw shooting today by the Crusaders: 10/13= .729 including Joe Octave's 6 for 7. Interesting that the top ten free throw shooting teams (percentage wise) are a composite W-L 28-14 YTD while the bottom 10 are W-L13-23. This does not address the all-important "getting to the line" issue.
The top ten teams in free throw rate are a collective 33-6. Winthrop, btw, is tops in the nation currently.
Holy Cross ranks 336th in FTR, and 350th in the percentage of points it gets from free throws. Not in the company we want to keep.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 20, 2023 9:13:00 GMT -5
Good to see better free throw shooting today by the Crusaders: 10/13= .729 including Joe Octave's 6 for 7. Interesting that the top ten free throw shooting teams (percentage wise) are a composite W-L 28-14 YTD while the bottom 10 are W-L13-23. This does not address the all-important "getting to the line" issue. 2-2 from Coulibaly was a plus. The nightmare at Siena was in part because most of the free throws were taken by Coulibaly and an uncharacteristically cold Montgomery. Yesterday 9 out of 13 were taken by Batch and Octave. That helps the percentage -------------------------- Nugent took his first free throw yesterday, However, it was in defensive rebounding action. Not Nugent going to the hoop Five Crusaders have shot enough free throws in their careers to establish a meaningful shooting percentage. Here's where each of them rank in comparison to the 362 teams in NCAA D-1 ..816= Will Batchelder has the same FT shooting percentage as the #13 team in D-1 .650= Joe Octave #274 .636= Bo Montgomery #290 .478= Louth Coulibaly #361 .471= Caleb Kenney #362 Of course, we also have the issue of not getting to the line very often. Our opponents have had an advantage of 5.5 points per game this year from made free throws. That's hard to overcome. The season is young-perhaps we can make some progress in this important area.
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Post by trimster on Nov 20, 2023 9:24:17 GMT -5
Good to see better free throw shooting today by the Crusaders: 10/13= .729 including Joe Octave's 6 for 7. Interesting that the top ten free throw shooting teams (percentage wise) are a composite W-L 28-14 YTD while the bottom 10 are W-L13-23. This does not address the all-important "getting to the line" issue. I took a look at our free throw stats at teamrankings.com. We are in the bottom 10-20 teams, (362 total), in % of points from free throws, attempts per game and makes per game. Surprisingly, there are more than 50 teams that shoot free throws worse than HC.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 20, 2023 9:25:54 GMT -5
Free throws are one reason I would like to see Declan Ryan start getting a little consistent playing time. It would be nice to have him ready for some endgame situations in league play when the team is trying to close out games with the lead.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 20, 2023 9:26:24 GMT -5
Ky, The biggest problem with Will is what you refer to. He rarely gets to the line. The rare times he drives, he has much difficulty finishing or getting fouled.
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Post by trimster on Nov 20, 2023 9:27:02 GMT -5
Good to see better free throw shooting today by the Crusaders: 10/13= .729 including Joe Octave's 6 for 7. Interesting that the top ten free throw shooting teams (percentage wise) are a composite W-L 28-14 YTD while the bottom 10 are W-L13-23. This does not address the all-important "getting to the line" issue.
The top ten teams in free throw rate are a collective 33-6. Winthrop, btw, is tops in the nation currently.
Holy Cross ranks 336th in FTR, and 350th in the percentage of points it gets from free throws. Not in the company we want to keep.
I just read your post referencing teamrankings.com after I posted mine.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 20, 2023 9:31:28 GMT -5
It takes a while for the team to figure out their roles to win. Score, defend, rebound, etc. Seems to me that those roles are evolving. St. John’s is going to test the player’s ability to play those roles. A needed test IMHO..See what and where players can do looking toward league play. St. John’s will tell us very little about our PL prospects. Players like Soriano, Dingle, Ledlum, their point guard,, maybe more, are not players we will see in the PL. We also will not see pressure like SJU brings.
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Post by trimster on Nov 20, 2023 9:38:40 GMT -5
I watched the alphabet game this morning. It seems to me we have a lot of tweeners and a lot of 2 guards. When I look at the size of our players, I think, "He looks like a 1 but isn't playing it, he looks like a 3.........., he looks like a 4........ Maybe I am placing too much emphasis on it. Afterall, guys like Bob Foley and Keith Hochstein were effective centers at 6'2" and 6'3". Of course that was 60 years ago, give or take.
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Post by hc17 on Nov 20, 2023 10:15:36 GMT -5
Ky, The biggest problem with Will is what you refer to. He rarely gets to the line. The rare times he drives, he has much difficulty finishing or getting fouled. I'd imagine his 'size' was what prevented Will from getting P-6 offers with his ability to shoot. Hopefully, he's able to develop over time....I'd imagine guys like Williams and Boston (next year) will be quite good attacking the rim.
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 20, 2023 16:53:42 GMT -5
It takes a while for the team to figure out their roles to win. Score, defend, rebound, etc. Seems to me that those roles are evolving. St. John’s is going to test the player’s ability to play those roles. A needed test IMHO..See what and where players can do looking toward league play. St. John’s will tell us very little about our PL prospects. Players like Soriano, Dingle, Ledlum, their point guard,, maybe more, are not players we will see in the PL. We also will not see pressure like SJU brings. I think we will see who can step up and who folds. I don’t expect the game to be mirror of a PL game, just to see how we handle playing up…. Always shows a coach what each player is made of..
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 21, 2023 10:52:38 GMT -5
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