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Post by sader1970 on Dec 2, 2023 16:09:47 GMT -5
At one point, they had Bo and 4 frosh on the court, and they were not outmatched. Octave is a player. I like Ryan. He wasn’t afraid to bang inside. With some development, I like his future. Bo, Batch and Nugent appear to be in a slump. Christmas break can’t come soon enuf for them. I’m not ready to throw the towel in yet. They won’t win the league, but I think they can make some noise in January and February. As we have a habit of saying on here: "from your mouth to God's ears." Looked like you had a good seat behind the Crusader bench. Can you fill us in on what looked like a very late injury to Octave? [Couldn't see Tom or NAD on the streaming]
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Post by HC92 on Dec 2, 2023 16:16:51 GMT -5
My first time attending or really watching a whole game this year. Lots of negatives. On the positive side, Octave and Kenney have become very good players. Some of the freshmen show a lot of promise. And I got to see some Crossports all-stars which is always good.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 2, 2023 16:20:45 GMT -5
At one point, they had Bo and 4 frosh on the court, and they were not outmatched. Octave is a player. I like Ryan. He wasn’t afraid to bang inside. With some development, I like his future. Bo, Batch and Nugent appear to be in a slump. Christmas break can’t come soon enuf for them. I’m not ready to throw the towel in yet. They won’t win the league, but I think they can make some noise in January and February. I was behind the HC bench. The guys played hard from beginning to end. The coaches are coaching. I wish Louth had another year or two. He plays hard and shows flashes. He turned his ankle (early in the second half I think) and never returned. Octave's injury looks like an ankle too. Nugget plays a lot because he is fundamentally sound--moves his feet on defense, gets some rebounds, has a nice shot. The other freshmen played a decent amount also; none look out of place. HC is not a great passing team, but I think they're better than they were earlier in the season. They made a nice run in the second half, but miscues killed us. We're not a great rebounding team; we're small. We need a big next year; you can't win without one. Without a rim protector other teams dump the ball in low, or drive the lane. We could really use a point guard who could drive and dish. There's nothing wrong with Batch except that he's getting no open shots. I feel that one message DP had at halftime was--shoot the damn ball. Having an endless weave outside the 3 point arc doesn't get you much.
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Post by sader81 on Dec 2, 2023 16:27:26 GMT -5
Tom and NAD were several rows behind me. I didn’t see the Octave injury - left with just under a minute left. Luth had what looked like a bad sprain. A decent crowd for a Saturday with two teams that have losing records.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 2, 2023 16:51:51 GMT -5
Looks like Crossports was pretty well represented.
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Post by Tom on Dec 2, 2023 17:38:54 GMT -5
The story of the game was a seven or so minute stretch when CCSU turned up the defensive intensity and HC couldn't handle it. During that stretch, HC had exactly zero quality shots. Every time down the court HC either turned it over or had a desperation heave as the shot clock expired.
Rotations were much different today than Maine. Much deeper bench today. Possibly a function of the horrendous stretch that the coach just needed to try anything.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 2, 2023 17:53:58 GMT -5
Shoot, shoot the damn ball.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 2, 2023 18:13:54 GMT -5
The story of the game was a seven or so minute stretch when CCSU turned up the defensive intensity and HC couldn't handle it. During that stretch, HC had exactly zero quality shots. Every time down the court HC either turned it over or had a desperation heave as the shot clock expired. Rotations were much different today than Maine. Much deeper bench today. Possibly a function of the horrendous stretch that the coach just needed to try anything. No point guard hard to run an offense maybe Wills and Williams can deliver in that role
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Post by alum on Dec 2, 2023 20:09:21 GMT -5
Looks like Crossports was pretty well represented. I attended with a classmate and our wives. We didn’t pay extra for the chair back seats so I didn’t see the crossporters. Our team needs a lot of work. DP coaches every second of the game. I am a big Bo fan and thought he would be a real force this year. I am sure he is frustrated. I just don’t have an explanation for Will. Maybe hchoops can tell me how a guy can forget how to shoot.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 2, 2023 20:26:51 GMT -5
Looks like Crossports was pretty well represented. I attended with a classmate and our wives. We didn’t pay extra for the chair back seats so I didn’t see the crossporters. Our team needs a lot of work. DP coaches every second of the game. I am a big Bo fan and thought he would be a real force this year. I am sure he is frustrated. I just don’t have an explanation for Will. Maybe hchoops can tell me how a guy can forget how to shoot. Alum, I believe that Batch has not forgotten how to shoot. A number of factors may be conspiring to result in what we are seeing, 1- Last season because of the presence of GG, Batch received a good amount of open looks to allow him to do what he does best, catch and shoot, no dribbles. When he has to dribble, I think his percentage goes down. 2- This year he is not receiving nearly as many open looks 3- At the start of the season, I recall he had more than one 3 blocked. Then he began trying to release the shot too quickly. I believe the announcer today commented on it. This could be caused from the blocks he has had. 4- I am sure the scouting report on him is to run him off the 3 point line. That and his size are other factors which result in limited open catch and shoot chances. One possible good that has come of this outside shooting slump is that today he drove the ball more than in any game I have seen him play.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 2, 2023 20:35:56 GMT -5
It is when we let the opponent go on runs of 6 or 8 we must stop the bleeding Today we let it go to 14-0 Plenty of other issues but Ended up being a 16-0 run, no points for 7 minutes. And they were 7 horrible minutes, not just a bunch of reasonable looks w/no one hitting any shots (the rest of the game was like that!), a series of bad shots, followed by a series of turnovers.
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Post by Tom on Dec 2, 2023 20:50:01 GMT -5
I attended with a classmate and our wives. We didn’t pay extra for the chair back seats so I didn’t see the crossporters. Our team needs a lot of work. DP coaches every second of the game. I am a big Bo fan and thought he would be a real force this year. I am sure he is frustrated. I just don’t have an explanation for Will. Maybe hchoops can tell me how a guy can forget how to shoot. Alum, I believe that Batch has not forgotten how to shoot. A number of factors may be conspiring to result in what we are seeing, 1- Last season because of the presence of GG, Batch received a good amount of open looks to allow him to do what he does best, catch and shoot, no dribbles. When he has to dribble, I think his percentage goes down. 2- This year he is not receiving nearly as many open looks 3- At the start of the season, I recall he had more than one 3 blocked. Then he began trying to release the shot too quickly. I believe the announcer today commented on it. This could be caused from the blocks he has had. 4- I am sure the scouting report on him is to run him off the 3 point line. That and his size are other factors which result in limited open catch and shoot chances. One possible good that has come of this outside shooting slump is that today he drove the ball more than in any game I have seen him play. Might be adapting a bit. Batch actually took more 2's than 3's today
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 2, 2023 20:51:52 GMT -5
Batchelder is doing better than my eyeball test. He's got 14/11 assist/turnover ratio which is better than I thought. He's hit all 4 of his FTs but that's an issue, he doesn't get to the line. His 3 point % is 34%, not as good as he's been capable of.
Bo also surprises me with a 31/29 assist/turnover ratio as I was sure it was reverse of that.
If Octave could do better with his turnovers (12/22 ast/to ratio), he'd be an even bigger star as he hits 51% of his shots and 40% of his 3s. He leads the team in rebounding with 6.4 per game. He hits 69% from the line.
Here's the guy that needs more floor time, our premiere actor on the team, AJ Wills. He's hitting 50% of his shots and an even better 57% of his 3s. He's hit all of his FTs (6/6) and his assist/turnover rate is 2/2.
Ryan is a good FT shooter at 78% (7 of 9) but otherwise offensively challenged hitting a paltry 29% (2 of 7).
Nugent looks like he has a nice stroke but looks aren't everything. He hits 37% of his 3s and seems less hesitant to take them than Batch. He's got a 0/6 ast/to ratio but second best rebounder at 4.9 per game
Our overall second best player (maybe best?) has to be Caleb Kenney hitting 57% of his shots and 9 blocks and 4 steals. Just don't want him shooting FTs (54%). Considering his inside work, he's got a very respectable ast/to ratio (11/12)
Of course, none of this relates to defense so there may be many reasons why some of them play more than their offensive stats would warrant. Batch leads with 6 steals and Bo has 5 and multiple others have 4.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 2, 2023 20:52:45 GMT -5
If you believe in any of Ken Pom’s objective calculations, our biggest issue is that our defense is really really porous, #360 in division-1.
Some random player thoughts: I like what I’ve seen from Caleb, much more involved in offense. Bo is athletic and makes some impressive plays but from my viewpoint has never been a great player on offense. Batch is a very good three point shooter and I predict he will hit a very good percentage of his threes this year. Let’s see more of AJ Wills.
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Post by alum on Dec 2, 2023 21:14:10 GMT -5
I attended with a classmate and our wives. We didn’t pay extra for the chair back seats so I didn’t see the crossporters. Our team needs a lot of work. DP coaches every second of the game. I am a big Bo fan and thought he would be a real force this year. I am sure he is frustrated. I just don’t have an explanation for Will. Maybe hchoops can tell me how a guy can forget how to shoot. Alum, I believe that Batch has not forgotten how to shoot. A number of factors may be conspiring to result in what we are seeing, 1- Last season because of the presence of GG, Batch received a good amount of open looks to allow him to do what he does best, catch and shoot, no dribbles. When he has to dribble, I think his percentage goes down. 2- This year he is not receiving nearly as many open looks 3- At the start of the season, I recall he had more than one 3 blocked. Then he began trying to release the shot too quickly. I believe the announcer today commented on it. This could be caused from the blocks he has had. 4- I am sure the scouting report on him is to run him off the 3 point line. That and his size are other factors which result in limited open catch and shoot chances. One possible good that has come of this outside shooting slump is that today he drove the ball more than in any game I have seen him play. Thanks for this take. I noticed today he was trying to dribble to an open shot without a lot of success.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 3, 2023 4:53:24 GMT -5
Agree with what is being said about Batch - he clearly is not getting the quality looks that he did last year. It has to be frustrating.
The D seems to get beat off the dribble way to often; and conversely, it looks like the team is not reacting well to tough defense. Too many possessions where a dribbler was 30-35 feet from the basket with the shot clock under 5 seconds.
I too want to see more of AJ - he seems to have a lot of confidence, and does have some ability to create his own shot. Brings a little energy.
Right now, the squad seems to be a mix of young guys who are going to have their ups and downs at this level, and older guys who are still trying to get used to the new coach. It is painful to watch, for sure, but we should remember that while CDP did say it was about the process, he did not say that every day was going to be better than the last one.
For the second straight game (at least, I was not at prior games) Jade Tse was not at the game. I know he was hurt earlier.
Let's pray Louth and Octave will be ok and will not miss any games. You think it's ugly now - take them out of the rotation and......ugh.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 3, 2023 4:55:06 GMT -5
Chuck Hare at the game. Hopefully the promise of early PT spurs him on to have a great year.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 3, 2023 4:57:12 GMT -5
Caleb's block reminded me of ones Malcolm Miller used to get. Very nice play and hustle on that one.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 3, 2023 5:30:01 GMT -5
Another thing that isn't mentioned often: Dorsey's skill set hasn't really been replaced yet, both his on the ball defense, and his ability to distribute at the other end. He was pretty good at finding open guys in transition (as in Batch).
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 3, 2023 7:35:02 GMT -5
Not keeping track but my impression is that not only is Batch on a cold shooting streak but think he’s losing his guy with some frequency allowing a bunch of layups.
Somebody PLEASE correct my impression. I want this kid to succeed.🙏🏻
Who has access to those +/- stats?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 3, 2023 7:38:29 GMT -5
Caleb's block reminded me of ones Malcolm Miller used to get. Very nice play and hustle on that one. What I loved was this wasn’t a block on some 6’ tall guard, it was against a guy that was probably taller than him and he came from nowhere and shocked everyone including the guy who thought he had a flush going. Caleb definitely one of the bright spots so far this season and if he could just watch his fouls . . . . (Some of which have been very questionable).
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Post by timholycross on Dec 3, 2023 9:36:58 GMT -5
Caleb's block reminded me of ones Malcolm Miller used to get. Very nice play and hustle on that one. What I loved was this wasn’t a block on some 6’ tall guard, it was against a guy that was probably taller than him and he came from nowhere and shocked everyone including the guy who thought he had a flush going. Caleb definitely one of the bright spots so far this season and if he could just watch his fouls . . . . (Some of which have been very questionable). I wish we could count on the opponents shooting foul shots as collectively badly as we do....DP could play 10-11 guys and have them hack away.
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Post by DiMarz on Dec 3, 2023 11:35:14 GMT -5
One easy fix for Batch is to get out front on possession changes. Get the shot up before the D gets there. But that is a function of the team. I believe they have to play faster than they are now.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 3, 2023 12:16:49 GMT -5
One easy fix for Batch is to get out front on possession changes. Get the shot up before the D gets there. But that is a function of the team. I believe they have to play faster than they are now. At least in the first half, I felt like CCSU was prioritizing getting back on defense over going for offensive boards. Wasn’t sure why as I don’t think of us as having a transition offense to be super worried about.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 3, 2023 12:33:37 GMT -5
Without having seen CCSU previously, my guess is this may be the Coach’s philosophy for every game, regardless of opponent’s style of play
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