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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 1, 2023 0:52:16 GMT -5
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woorat
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Post by woorat on Dec 1, 2023 13:41:41 GMT -5
Not a fan of this. Whoever thought up this idea should have done a POLL first. Patrick is certainly worthy. The others. while very good players and HOFers, should definitely not be in the first fo around. I bet the committee did not consider and of the olber alum, This will upset many alum. I would like to know who is on this committee.
Too late to put back. Let the committee consider:
1. Larry Murphy '70 - Larry has 207 points in just 3 years. He was also one of the last cuts from the 1972 Olympic team.
2. Jim Stewart - Did not graduate though but still a HOFer - PLayed for the Boston Bruins. Played many years in the AHL. Should be considered the all time best goalie.
3. Glenn Graves '77 -First hockey scholarship signees. 197 points. HOFer
4. Gerry Curley -"81 - Another Scholarship player. Was given a full schollie not to transfer to RPI or BC. Signed as free agent with the Hartford Whalers. Would have be player of the year if not for Craig McTavish.
5. Joe Lunny '87 - All time leading scorer with 217 points. HOFer. Played many years in Pro hockey after graduating.
These five are more than than worthy. There are many others down the road that could deserve this. I still firmly believe this is not a good thing to start. Too bad this cannot be reversed.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 1, 2023 16:16:15 GMT -5
Would have been better if FHCPP made the phone calls instead of ADKH.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 1, 2023 16:41:55 GMT -5
I recall watching Rismiller play for San Jose vs the Rangers at the Garden - very cool
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 1, 2023 21:00:05 GMT -5
I recall watching Rismiller play for San Jose vs the Rangers at the Garden - very cool and interestingly later played for the Broadway Blueshirts. I think there is a difference between retired numbers and a hall of fame induction. We are talking about two different divisions of hockey for the Crusaders. It is extremely difficult to compare the two "eras" of hockey especially with a time difference. Dont forget the team's years in the DIII ECAC East alongside the likes of some NESCAC's, St. A's, North Adams State, etc. Rissmiller might have been a 100 point scorer a year in the 70s and 80s. On the women's side, the lack of time difference and genuine dominance of the teams from roughly 2007-2012 make it an easier argument for including Stacey, who is atop nearly every Hocrowoho record. On the men's side, Rissmiller, McGregor, and Sixsmith are atop many categories. |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 1, 2023 21:03:01 GMT -5
Not a fan of this. Whoever thought up this idea should have done a POLL first. Patrick is certainly worthy. The others. while very good players and HOFers, should definitely not be in the first fo around. I bet the committee did not consider and of the olber alum, This will upset many alum. I would like to know who is on this committee. Too late to put back. Let the committee consider: 1. Larry Murphy '70 - Larry has 207 points in just 3 years. He was also one of the last cuts from the 1972 Olympic team. 2. Jim Stewart - Did not graduate though but still a HOFer - PLayed for the Boston Bruins. Played many years in the AHL. Should be considered the all time best goalie. 3. Glenn Graves '77 -First hockey scholarship signees. 197 points. HOFer 4. Gerry Curley -"81 - Another Scholarship player. Was given a full schollie not to transfer to RPI or BC. Signed as free agent with the Hartford Whalers. Would have be player of the year if not for Craig McTavish. 5. Joe Lunny '87 - All time leading scorer with 217 points. HOFer. Played many years in Pro hockey after graduating. These five are more than than worthy. There are many others down the road that could deserve this. I still firmly believe this is not a good thing to start. Too bad this cannot be reversed. You are correct about starting with the oldest players. When the first four basketball player jerseys went up, all four were still alive I believe. Now Cooz is the only one still living. |
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woorat
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Post by woorat on Dec 5, 2023 12:12:31 GMT -5
I hear what you are saying, Cruskater 31, but the skill set for players back in the 60s-70s and ever 80s is quite different than skill sets of today. Look at the goalies. Today's goalies all play from their knees. They are much bigger and the equipment is also bigger. Jim Stewart was a traditional standup goalie with extremely quick reflexes. So good he signs a contract with the Bruins.
Another example was HC vs, BC in either 1979-1980. Curley scored 3 goals and was the best player on the ice in a disappointing 7-6 loss. Gerry could have been a top line player in any Division 1 program at the time.
Going forward, I hope we can see new heights in the program hopefully in a better league when the powers that be realize that Hockey is probably the only sport we can compete at the National level, Maybe Lax. We need all you rich Alums to step to the plate so Rigga has the financial resources to recruit the top prospects. Need facilities, financial support and better league alignment. Will probably never happen, But if.............?
My point is if that is to happen, do you tell McGregor, Curley, Stewart, etc.that their numbers should not have their shirts retired because they are not as good a the top draft choice and longtime Pro player has hit shirt retired? Different times, different skill sets. I am not an in anyway against Mcgregor. I am happy for him. Let's look at some of these players, Kit and committee, that paved the way for Tyler and Patrick.
I said my peace. I think I have too much time on my hands! LOL
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 5, 2023 12:56:43 GMT -5
If nothing else, between this and the football selection committee and the awards committees, I am fed up with committees of all sorts.  |
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Post by Tom on Dec 8, 2023 10:36:40 GMT -5
Actually not much of a fan either.
The men's basketball honorees were all All American.
I think the initial football honorees were either All Americans or at least All East.
There are some outstanding Crusader athletes out there who should be recognized. And there's a Varsity Hall of Fame for that. Taking things to the next level and having your uniform/number posted should require something noticeably above HoF status. I don't follow hockey that closely, but do these honorees or the names posted by WooRat have something concrete that is head and shoulders above the other hockey Hall of Famers?.
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Post by aaa8316 on Dec 10, 2023 16:54:37 GMT -5
Actually not much of a fan either. The men's basketball honorees were all All American. I think the initial football honorees were either All Americans or at least All East. There are some outstanding Crusader athletes out there who should be recognized. And there's a Varsity Hall of Fame for that. Taking things to the next level and having your uniform/number posted should require something noticeably above HoF status. I don't follow hockey that closely, but do these honorees or the names posted by WooRat have something concrete that is head and shoulders above the other hockey Hall of Famers?. All three of these former Crusaders were studs. I can especially speak for McGregor, who was incredible during his time, and nearly unstoppable his Sr year when the team beat Minnesota. ** He was an All-American btw. While I agree the process of this may be a little bit of a head scratcher, the decision makers with these kind of things can never really win. Even in the professional leagues, there are always a group of people that bitch and complain about others that were not chosen, older eras, etc. |
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 10, 2023 20:55:59 GMT -5
Hotchkins was thrice a 2nd team All-American (10,11,12). I'm not seeing any All-Americans from HC pre-2000's. I have to say I love the Varsity Club but think a higher threshold should be examined for jersey retirement. Jocelyn Kratchmer '11, for example, was an outstanding player, making an impact freshman year and going back and forth with Stacey once she arrived. Not an All-American but all over the record books. She should be in the HOF but perhaps not a jersey retired. Same for someone like a Matt Ginn or Tony Q?
Sixsmith, McGregor, and Rissmiller all won league honors. McGregor took home both a ROY and POY during his time.
There were, to be fair, College Division, recognition (Stewart the goalie in 78). Why weren't we playing D1?
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Post by woorat on Dec 11, 2023 11:19:12 GMT -5
Too bad you cannot ask Fr. Brooks that question. The only reason the rink was built over a pool was because of Patrick Butler '76 w secured thousands of student signatures for a rink! Should renovated and rename the rink: Patrick '76 Memorial Ice Palace!!
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Post by Tom on Dec 11, 2023 14:23:47 GMT -5
Hotchkins was thrice a 2nd team All-American (10,11,12). I'm not seeing any All-Americans from HC pre-2000's. I have to say I love the Varsity Club but think a higher threshold should be examined for jersey retirement. Jocelyn Kratchmer '11, for example, was an outstanding player, making an impact freshman year and going back and forth with Stacey once she arrived. Not an All-American but all over the record books. She should be in the HOF but perhaps not a jersey retired. Same for someone like a Matt Ginn or Tony Q? Sixsmith, McGregor, and Rissmiller all won league honors. McGregor took home both a ROY and POY during his time. There were, to be fair, College Division, recognition (Stewart the goalie in 78). Why weren't we playing D1? Fair enough. I don't follow hockey that closely. To use a basketball analogy, Tom Heinsohn and Chris Potter are both great ball players and HC HoF'ers, but there's a reason Heinsohn hangs from the rafters and Potter does not. I like the extra honor of hanging the banner mean that as great as all the HoF'ers are, the banner people are a notch above that |
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Post by Tom on Dec 11, 2023 14:25:33 GMT -5
Too bad you cannot ask Fr. Brooks that question. The only reason the rink was built over a pool was because of Patrick Butler '76 w secured thousands of student signatures for a rink! Should renovated and rename the rink: Patrick '76 Memorial Ice Palace!! On the other hand, my cousin was an All American swimmer at HC, but had to schlep across town to Clark University every day because there was no pool. All depends on who you ask  |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 11, 2023 22:46:45 GMT -5
Hotchkins was thrice a 2nd team All-American (10,11,12). I'm not seeing any All-Americans from HC pre-2000's. I have to say I love the Varsity Club but think a higher threshold should be examined for jersey retirement. Jocelyn Kratchmer '11, for example, was an outstanding player, making an impact freshman year and going back and forth with Stacey once she arrived. Not an All-American but all over the record books. She should be in the HOF but perhaps not a jersey retired. Same for someone like a Matt Ginn or Tony Q? Sixsmith, McGregor, and Rissmiller all won league honors. McGregor took home both a ROY and POY during his time. There were, to be fair, College Division, recognition (Stewart the goalie in 78). Why weren't we playing D1? Fair enough. I don't follow hockey that closely. To use a basketball analogy, Tom Heinsohn and Chris Potter are both great ball players and HC HoF'ers, but there's a reason Heinsohn hangs from the rafters and Potter does not. I like the extra honor of hanging the banner mean that as great as all the HoF'ers are, the banner people are a notch above that The problem with the All American mandatory qualification is that as long as we are in a low major league in hoops, we will probably not have another All American.and thus no more jerseys in the rafters, Togo said that Chris deserves to have his jersey in the rafters. |
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Post by Tom on Dec 12, 2023 8:06:17 GMT -5
Fair enough. I don't follow hockey that closely. To use a basketball analogy, Tom Heinsohn and Chris Potter are both great ball players and HC HoF'ers, but there's a reason Heinsohn hangs from the rafters and Potter does not. I like the extra honor of hanging the banner mean that as great as all the HoF'ers are, the banner people are a notch above that The problem with the All American mandatory qualification is that as long as we are in a low major league in hoops, we will probably not have another All American.and thus no more jerseys in the rafters, I know that, but frankly, I'm OK with that. Isn't being in the HoF enough? |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 12, 2023 8:31:59 GMT -5
IMO, no.There are many good players in the HoF, but the rafters in the ceiling ones should be elite.
Chris Potter deserves to be up there with the All Americans.
Ed Siudut and Keith Hochstein may be worthy also. Since these players, probably no one. Maybe Rob Feaster.
The football ring of honor does not have the All American mandatory qualification.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 12, 2023 9:57:55 GMT -5
When do we start hanging up jerseys for baseball, softball, field hockey, LAX, soccer, volleyball, track, etc.? The last I understand no # involved. But we've had 50+ years of women and so far, only women's basketball. Baseball, for sure, with Lou Sockalexis, Ron Perry, etc,. etc.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 12, 2023 10:02:49 GMT -5
Where, exactly, would you "hang a jersey" for the sports you list?
Hop Riopel (as both a player and as a coach) should be there for any such honor IMHO.
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Post by Tom on Dec 12, 2023 12:32:46 GMT -5
When do we start hanging up jerseys for baseball, softball, field hockey, LAX, soccer, volleyball, track, etc.? The last I understand no # involved. But we've had 50+ years of women and so far, only women's basketball. Baseball, for sure, with Lou Sockalexis, Ron Perry, etc,. etc. One might argue that their names (not jerseys) are all posted in the Hart Center lobby |
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 12, 2023 12:38:59 GMT -5
Half of my prior post was in jest but if you want serious answer, baseball should certainly have something hanging considering we’ve won a national title and multiple players were in MLB.
The football “jerseys” are wood signs and I would think hanging whoever gets honored could have the same hanging on the outfield fence or along the fences on the sides.
Less seriously, there is plenty of fencing on the upper fields, especially for soccer.
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Post by Tom on Dec 12, 2023 12:44:19 GMT -5
The football ring of honor does not have the All American mandatory qualification. That is true. On the other hand, I would have been happy if they stopped after the initial class I guess I'm in the minority here. It is nice to recognize these athletes, but for the most part it seems redundant with the Hall of Fame |
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