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Post by mm67 on Mar 1, 2024 11:26:32 GMT -5
We may disagree. But, one thing is for sure. The alums on this board are passionate about HC. Carry on.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2024 12:43:34 GMT -5
How much interest among NCAA members would there be to allow every school to choose which league and which division they want to place any of their sports in?
HC could shine in that arrangement. A Metro Worcester/Boston/Springfield league for many minor sports, the best conferences we can get into for each scholarship sport.
Would we lose our golden goose of private pay minor sports student athletes determined to be a D-1 athlete for the rest of their lives and attracted to HC as a place they can accomplish that?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 1, 2024 13:28:07 GMT -5
What does endowment have to do with it? The Patriot League should not be a gilded cage where any league other than the Ivy is wholly unworthy to its members. Were it so, why haven't more schools joined? Why did GU join for football instead of the non-scholarship Pioneer? What attracted you to our fine league? Georgetown's football coach at the time, Bob Benson (now DC at Penn) saw that MAAC Football was sinking. Many of the former Div. III schools in the MAAC and NEC were struggling, and the Pioneer was a collection of five schools (Butler, Dayton, Drake, San Diego, Valpo) with no ties to Georgetown or the region. He also saw that he could not recruit beyond the still mostly Div. III talent pool as long as Georgetown was in the MAAC. He proposed an alignment with the PL where Georgetown could play three Ivies (an an era where PL teams were still regularly doing so) and begin to compete for Ivy quality talent, while maintaining a bus league footprint for travel and NY/NJ recruiting. Towson was leaving the PL so it was timely, and Georgetown picked up Towson's Ivy commitments through the end of the 2000s. The law of unintended consequences followed. Benson (and his predecessor, Kevin Kelly) were still left with a Div. III talent pool because Georgetown didn't have the packaged aid the other PL schools did. The NY/NJ recruiting pipeline dried up as Georgetown could not compete with beter offers from Ivy and PL schools at major NY/NJ programs. A number of Ivy schools, once they saw the wreck that was Multi-Sport Field and the nonexistent crowds coming to their games from DC (which, in fairness, is a lot more of a hike than HC fans going to Cambridge or New Haven), largely backed off Georgetown thereafter. Pioneer schools would take a home game with Georgetown (San Diego, Dayton) but did not return the game to DC. The real problem became that Georgetown was (and is) largely noncompetitive in its scheduling and any talk of a better option (CAA, NEC, etc.) is dismissed out of hand as "well, we could never compete there" when the real answer is "present performance may not be indicative of future opportunity." That's a way to look at it for UMass - if they dominate the MAC, it was a productive step and opens new doors; if not, they can always go back to where it is today.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2024 14:47:48 GMT -5
Theoretically a weekend road game in Washington is a great trip. GU could put together a turn-key visitor's package with local hotels, restaurants and attractions so opposing teams could send out the price fixed package to their fans in the Spring. It's a feather in parents' cap to bring the kids to an educational tour of some government institution in D.C. More impressive than Disney World to some deemed worth impressing.
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Post by rf1 on Mar 1, 2024 15:15:05 GMT -5
That source is just the musings of a fan and has no real credibility as it is all personal conjecture.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 2, 2024 9:40:50 GMT -5
That source is just the musings of a fan and has no real credibility as it is all personal conjecture.
I'd be shocked if there were any interest in either of those schools by the A10. And from Merrimack's point of view, the only thing that's going to change their commitment to the MAAC in the next few years is a good landing spot for their football program.
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Post by mainejeff on Mar 3, 2024 12:31:36 GMT -5
That source is just the musings of a fan and has no real credibility as it is all personal conjecture.
I'd be shocked if there were any interest in either of those schools by the A10. And from Merrimack's point of view, the only thing that's going to change their commitment to the MAAC in the next few years is a good landing spot for their football program. As long as Merrimack has football.....they will not be joining the A-10. I'm not even sure that they could get into America East right now.....the A-10 has 20 better options than the Warriors.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 3, 2024 14:29:36 GMT -5
That source is just the musings of a fan and has no real credibility as it is all personal conjecture.
I'd be shocked if there were any interest in either of those schools by the A10. And from Merrimack's point of view, the only thing that's going to change their commitment to the MAAC in the next few years is a good landing spot for their football program. Definitely just a sportswriter spit-balling. The only school mentioned that would be a legit prospect to go to the A-10 is College of Charleston. Vermont would have earned an invite if we're looking at on-court results, but I don't see either side having huge interest. Would the VT state legislature want to commit to the millions in additional spending on athletics? The travel actually wouldn't be a huge barrier as UVM has Burlington Airport close by.
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Post by drjack on Mar 11, 2024 15:23:38 GMT -5
NEC supposedly looking at New Haven and Bentley , per Samurai Sports on Twitter. Thats a basketball focused account, but I'm guessing they'd be all sports moves since NEC football is in dire straights
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 11, 2024 15:28:00 GMT -5
NEC supposedly looking at New Haven and Bentley , per Samurai Sports on Twitter. Thats a basketball focused account, but I'm guessing they'd be all sports moves since NEC football is in dire straights So, the NEC has basically become the NE-10? They already have former NE-10 members in their conference, such as Le Moyne, Merrimack (short-lived), Stonehill, LIU-Post.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 11, 2024 16:14:31 GMT -5
NEC supposedly looking at New Haven and Bentley , per Samurai Sports on Twitter. Thats a basketball focused account, but I'm guessing they'd be all sports moves since NEC football is in dire straights Yes, they'd be for all sports. As bad a situation as NEC football is in, it's worse for all sports as far as membership. They had to add Chicago State so as not to lose their auto-bid in Men's Basketball.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 11, 2024 16:15:42 GMT -5
NEC supposedly looking at New Haven and Bentley , per Samurai Sports on Twitter. Thats a basketball focused account, but I'm guessing they'd be all sports moves since NEC football is in dire straights So, the NEC has basically become the NE-10? They already have former NE-10 members in their conference, such as Le Moyne, Merrimack (short-lived), Stonehill, LIU-Post. Might as well send out feelers to St. Anselm, St. Michael's and Assumption while they're at it. Le Moyne will probably end up in the MAAC in 2 years. New Haven was rumored a couple years ago but those rumblings faded. Perhaps CCSU and SHU didn't want the in-state comp at the time.
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Post by drjack on Mar 11, 2024 16:39:54 GMT -5
NEC supposedly looking at New Haven and Bentley , per Samurai Sports on Twitter. Thats a basketball focused account, but I'm guessing they'd be all sports moves since NEC football is in dire straights Yes, they'd be for all sports. As bad a situation as NEC football is in, it's worse for all sports as far as membership. They had to add Chicago State so as not to lose their auto-bid in Men's Basketball. Didn't realize it was actually that bad. Probably a good move then
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Post by hc69 on Mar 11, 2024 20:07:03 GMT -5
So, the NEC has basically become the NE-10? They already have former NE-10 members in their conference, such as Le Moyne, Merrimack (short-lived), Stonehill, LIU-Post. Might as well send out feelers to St. Anselm, St. Michael's and Assumption while they're at it. Le Moyne will probably end up in the MAAC in 2 years. New Haven was rumored a couple years ago but those rumblings faded. Perhaps CCSU and SHU didn't want the in-state comp at the time. Correct. SHU didn't want UNH in, but SHU is gone. CCSU was in favor of New Haven. Not coincidentally, the coach at NH is Chris Pincince and the AD at CCSU is Tom Pincince.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 11, 2024 21:06:37 GMT -5
Getting to be about time for U of Hartford to get a new set of powers that be and start their move back up into the NE10.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 11, 2024 21:43:48 GMT -5
Might as well send out feelers to St. Anselm, St. Michael's and Assumption while they're at it. Le Moyne will probably end up in the MAAC in 2 years. New Haven was rumored a couple years ago but those rumblings faded. Perhaps CCSU and SHU didn't want the in-state comp at the time. Correct. SHU didn't want UNH in, but SHU is gone. CCSU was in favor of New Haven. Not coincidentally, the coach at NH is Chris Pincince and the AD at CCSU is Tom Pincince. And now we're going to have to deal with the confusion of two UNHs playing DI sports in New England.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 11, 2024 21:56:57 GMT -5
One concept that escapes me is why nearby schools try to block their neighbors from joining their conference. 1+1=3 when you have nearby rivalries imo. Competitive spirit is amplified when there are more people buying into it in an area you would think.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 11, 2024 22:01:27 GMT -5
I know a guy who went to U of New Hampshire. He tells people he went to UNH. If he’s on an assignment in Connecticut and someone assumes he means U of New Haven, e.g. “ you went to UNH- great pizza in that town”, he doesn’t correct them.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 12, 2024 1:44:55 GMT -5
One concept that escapes me is why nearby schools try to block their neighbors from joining their conference. 1+1=3 when you have nearby rivalries imo. Competitive spirit is amplified when there are more people buying into it in an area you would think. Ok -- Assumption to the Patriot League or Atlantic Hockey. Are we welcoming the new rival? I'm not, sorry.
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Post by gks on Mar 12, 2024 6:20:53 GMT -5
The more Eastern FCS schools the better. The subdivision has been trending West for too long. It'll take time but need more competitive teams this way.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 12, 2024 8:33:32 GMT -5
The more Eastern FCS schools the better. The subdivision has been trending West for too long. It'll take time but need more competitive teams this way. Wrong. We have plenty of quantity in this region. Out west is where they have the quality.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 12, 2024 9:43:13 GMT -5
One concept that escapes me is why nearby schools try to block their neighbors from joining their conference. 1+1=3 when you have nearby rivalries imo. Competitive spirit is amplified when there are more people buying into it in an area you would think. Ok -- Assumption to the Patriot League or Atlantic Hockey. Are we welcoming the new rival? I'm not, sorry. Did Yale block Quinnipiac from the ECAC? No, and BC, BU and Northesstern didn't block HC from Hockey East, women’s division. I wouldn't block Assumption from the AHA as they fit right in with AIC and Bentley and if they offer a similar amount of scholarships their performance in the league would depend on coaching more than anything else. They could play at the DCU and become Worcester's team as likely as fall on the ice, depending on coaching. The 'hounds aren't a match for the PL because we are in a league that founded itself based on institutional academic fit as "near elites" (or whatever) as opposed to athletic or geographic concerns.
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Post by rf1 on Mar 12, 2024 10:27:15 GMT -5
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 12, 2024 10:32:10 GMT -5
I feel like HC would check enough boxes. But, are we a "basketball school"? I assume our AD did not reach out to the Big East....
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 12, 2024 10:35:49 GMT -5
I feel like HC would check enough boxes. But, are we a "basketball school"? I assume our AD did not reach out to the Big East.... What are those boxes?
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