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Post by longsuffering on Mar 12, 2024 10:55:26 GMT -5
We checked all the boxes at the inception of the B.E. and check none now.
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Post by drjack on Mar 12, 2024 10:56:54 GMT -5
I feel like HC would check enough boxes. But, are we a "basketball school"? I assume our AD did not reach out to the Big East.... We don't come remotely close to checking all the boxes for the Big East. |
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 12, 2024 11:03:51 GMT -5
That is good to hear.
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 12, 2024 11:26:31 GMT -5
I feel like HC would check enough boxes. But, are we a "basketball school"? I assume our AD did not reach out to the Big East.... We don't come remotely close to checking all the boxes for the Big East. What do you think the boxes are? Of course we clearly aren't a "Big East" caliber program now but in theory we could be. |
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 12, 2024 11:27:23 GMT -5
We checked all the boxes at the inception of the B.E. and check none now. What are the boxes/requirements that need to be checked/met?? I really don't know. |
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Post by trimster on Mar 12, 2024 11:35:25 GMT -5
Please, let's not go down this road again. We are rooted in the PL forever and a day.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 12, 2024 12:36:14 GMT -5
Correct. SHU didn't want UNH in, but SHU is gone. CCSU was in favor of New Haven. Not coincidentally, the coach at NH is Chris Pincince and the AD at CCSU is Tom Pincince. And now we're going to have to deal with the confusion of two UNHs playing DI sports in New England. We got used to two BUs in the same league, didn't we? And, now that I think about it, two LCs!  |
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 12, 2024 12:52:36 GMT -5
We checked all the boxes at the inception of the B.E. and check none now. What are the boxes/requirements that need to be checked/met?? I really don't know. Somewhere on Crossports there are stories reporting the UConn athletic dept. annual deficit in nine figures that is bigger than the GDP of some countries. That's the first box that HC can't/won't check. |
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 12, 2024 13:03:43 GMT -5
UConn is not losing nine figures on athletics. That's absurd. Maybe they are running a deficit but nowhere remotely close to nine figures. I'm curious to see what Providence College's athletic department budget looks like.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 12, 2024 13:12:44 GMT -5
UConn is not losing nine figures on athletics. That's absurd. Maybe they are running a deficit but nowhere remotely close to nine figures. I'm curious to see what Providence College's athletic department budget looks like. |
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 12, 2024 13:20:22 GMT -5
UConn is not losing nine figures on athletics. That's absurd. Maybe they are running a deficit but nowhere remotely close to nine figures. I'm curious to see what Providence College's athletic department budget looks like. As a CT taxpayer I'm happy to see that UConn is generating a slight margin on athletics.  |
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 12, 2024 13:59:49 GMT -5
The nine figures must have included extraordinary expenses like paying off a coach in a lump sum. Obviously that's not sustainable on an ongoing basis.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 12, 2024 14:02:27 GMT -5
And now we're going to have to deal with the confusion of two UNHs playing DI sports in New England. We got used to two BUs in the same league, didn't we? And, now that I think about it, two LCs! My wife is a Loyola alum. I think it's Loyola University now. So now it's two LU's! |
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Post by efg72 on Apr 3, 2024 17:37:55 GMT -5
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Post by Crosser on Apr 3, 2024 22:43:37 GMT -5
I think they should make the college presidents coach these teams.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 4, 2024 6:01:31 GMT -5
We should be in the A10 for men & women basketball. The Patriot League does nothing for our basketball program.
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Post by mm67 on Apr 4, 2024 6:17:34 GMT -5
Failed to successfully compete in the MAAC. Won one championship, shared w/LaSalle in our years in the league. HC has not been willing to make the large expenditures to compete with larger programs. Failure to compete in the PL is not a stepping stone to compete in a higher level conference. HC's decisions are academically based as they should be. The PL is a good fit with like minded academic institutions.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 4, 2024 7:02:15 GMT -5
"Failure to compete in the PL is not a stepping stone to compete in a higher level conference." Correct!
It baffles me why some are unable to understand that. Let HCDP get HC men's hoops back up to where the women are and THEN look at our options. Otherwise, simply post "I hate the PL" and be done with it. If HC can't beat all of our PL opponents, why would losing to "better" opponents benefit HC in any way?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 4, 2024 7:27:01 GMT -5
Failed to successfully compete in the MAAC. Won one championship, shared w/LaSalle in our years in the league. HC has not been willing to make the large expenditures to compete with larger programs. Failure to compete in the PL is not a stepping stone to compete in a higher level conference. HC's decisions are academically based as they should be. The PL is a good fit with like minded academic institutions.I generally like the group of schools in the league and I think it's currently a near-perfect fit for us in football. However, I don't think HC is an overall good fit athletically. First of all, the Patriot League's strength is in breadth of success in minor sports. We are horrendous in minor sports. Historically, Holy Cross is a proud basketball school with a lot of history in New England. The Patriot League is a basketball wasteland -- nobody cares. Sports like lacrosse and wrestling are bigger draws than men's hoops at most of the league institutions. But for now, embrace it. There's no better option that's currently realistic. I still like the PL better than the has-been MAAC. The CAA has little to no appeal to me at this point, too spread out and diluted. Not hating on the CAA -- it's a fine fit for many along the eastern seaboard, just not for us. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 4, 2024 7:32:28 GMT -5
"Failure to compete in the PL is not a stepping stone to compete in a higher level conference." Correct! It baffles me why some are unable to understand that. Let HCDP get HC men's hoops back up to where the women are and THEN look at our options. Otherwise, simply post "I hate the PL" and be done with it. If HC can't beat all of our PL opponents, why would losing to "better" opponents benefit HC in any way? I'll give you a contrarian example. Loyola Chicago was a mediocre program in the Horizon League for decades. The glory days of the 1960's a distant memory. The Missouri Valley invited them in the wake of Creighton leaving, not because of their success on the court but because of their Chicago presence and because the league wanted to keep the same ratio of public:private schools. They joined the MVC in 2013 and were in the Final Four in 2018. Such a scenario COULD happen with HC and the A-10 if that league looks to add anyone in near future. Not saying it will happen, but HC should jump on it if it does, no matter our recent record. |
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Post by alum on Apr 4, 2024 7:35:33 GMT -5
We should be in the A10 for men & women basketball. The Patriot League does nothing for our basketball program. Of course, that means we will be in the A10 for all of our sports except for football. That might be OK, but we can't pretend we get to pick and choose. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 4, 2024 7:42:47 GMT -5
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 4, 2024 7:44:31 GMT -5
Meaning - love the PL by getting better and beating the snot out of everyone.....then worrying about moving up.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 4, 2024 7:50:04 GMT -5
I wish more could do just that. Could the PL improve with an across the board dedication to all sports, especially men's and women;'s hoops? Of course it could...except for those who for some reason seem to dislike (hate?) some of the PL members. Will it? Who can say. But this is where HC is right now and I, for one, believe we need to make the best of it. I can remember those packed houses for the HC-Bucknell Men's hoop championships. The place rocked. My ears are still recovering all these years later.  Why not have that as a goal and, when HC gets there, then examine where to go next? |
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Post by mm67 on Apr 4, 2024 8:01:20 GMT -5
TBT We are going to wait & see how realignment works out.
In football it seems there will be a new super power division, followed by the FBS then down to the FCS with the PL. However there are no guarantees the PL will survive in the FCS. A drop to DivII or III while unlikely is possible.
Div I basketball is complicated. The Big Dance is a lure. But, I can't see HC playing the money game, one & done & the like. Also, our small size does place a limit on our budget. Years back I knew a young fella' who was an unpaid assistant at Dayton. The comparison between Dayton's basketball spending & the spending by HC was striking. Actually, he liked & respected the Cross. It was clear HC would have to dramatically increase its spending & change academic policies for the school to successfully compete on a higher level. And, today would need to do so in an increasingly professionalized, unstable, big time college sports environment.
Does HC have the resources? Is the school willing to divert money away from academics to athletics? Is the school willing to abandon its long held academic policy for athletes? Is the leadership willing to make these transformative changes? Would stakeholders approve? Is there the resolve in the broader HC community(not merely the few Crossports posters) to do what is necessary to compete in the A10 or BE?
I think the future of HC is clear. Peace.
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