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Post by hchoops on Dec 5, 2023 11:05:08 GMT -5
NCAA proposes creation of new subdivision with direct compensation for athletes.
By Nicole Auerbach
NCAA president Charlie Baker on Tuesday proposed the creation of a new subdivision within Division I that would allow the highest-resource schools the ability to compensate athletes directly through a trust fund and direct name, image and likeness (NIL) payments.
The groundbreaking proposal was sent out to Division I members and obtained by The Athletic on Tuesday morning, and it included the following recommendations:
The formation of a new subdivision made up of institutions with the highest resources that can directly compensate athletes through an “enhanced educational trust fund,” which requires the schools that opt into it an investment of at least $30,000 per year per athlete for at least half of the school’s eligible athletes. Schools would have to adhere to Title IX, providing equal monetary opportunities to both female and male athletes.
Schools in the new subdivision could create their own rules separate from the rest of D-I, and those rules would allow them the ability to address policies such as scholarship limits and roster size as well as transfers and NIL.
Any Division I school would be able to enter into an NIL deal with its athletes directly, which is not currently permissible.
Any Division I school would be able to distribute to any athlete funding related to educational benefits without any caps on such compensation.
These recommendations from Baker come amid mounting pressure to allow schools to directly compensate their athletes, and as the NCAA is facing significant legal challenges to its model. In the letter to D-I members, Baker calls his proposal a “forward-looking framework” that “gives the educational institutions with the most visibility, the most financial resources and the biggest brands an opportunity to choose to operate with a different set of rules that more accurately reflect their scale and their operating model.”
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Post by hchoops on Dec 5, 2023 11:08:56 GMT -5
Another professional league
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Post by hc1996 on Dec 5, 2023 11:12:10 GMT -5
Gonna read "The Last Amateurs" again by Feinstein. Wow, how times have really changed. Would be very interesting to hear Feinstein's perspective on all this.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 5, 2023 12:26:48 GMT -5
Will the “student-athletes” in this new division be required to pursue a degree by taking courses and passing them or can they just play ball for the school unburdened by any academic requirements?
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Post by rf1 on Dec 5, 2023 12:31:46 GMT -5
Does this mean colleges can then have these athletic employees sign non compete clauses preventing them from playing elsewhere in the future?
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Post by hchoops on Dec 5, 2023 12:45:49 GMT -5
Does this mean colleges can then have these athletic employees sign non compete clauses preventing them from playing elsewhere in the future? Will the Letters of Intent be 1, 2, 3, 4 or maybe 5 year contracts ? Will this cause players’ unions ? |
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Post by timholycross on Dec 5, 2023 13:44:39 GMT -5
The big questions are budget and revenues. How many fine institutions will this work for?
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Post by hchoops on Dec 5, 2023 13:55:06 GMT -5
The big questions are budget and revenues. How many fine institutions will this work for? Guess All of the SEC, Big 10, Big12 Most/half of the ACC Where does that leave our nemesis in Chestnut Hill ? Big question for the school and its future. Is their priority to support professional athletes or have an academic institution ? Hard to hide behind doing so called both as of now. |
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Post by gks on Dec 5, 2023 13:57:12 GMT -5
Baker is proposing this to keep some NCAA jurisdiction over NIL. Right now there is zero and they know it.
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Post by jkh67 on Dec 5, 2023 14:43:35 GMT -5
Another professional league Like it hasn't been another professional league for big time college football and basketball for many moons now! |
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Post by jkh67 on Dec 5, 2023 15:04:20 GMT -5
Will the “student-athletes” in this new division be required to pursue a degree by taking courses and passing them or can they just play ball for the school unburdened by any academic requirements? We're really, really close to formal acknowledgment that football and basketball players at the "big time" schools are not students in the main. They're professional athletes and now they'll be formally compensated as such. It's long since time that the "student-athlete" hypocrisy was relegated to the dustbin of history. That being said, I don't doubt that the NCAA and the "big time" schools will continue to call their hired jocks "student-athletes" until even they get embarrassed into dropping the phrase. Speaking of the dustbin of history, it's long since time for the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit its early 1920s determination that baseball is a sport, not a business (and thus exempt from application of the antitrust laws). |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 5, 2023 15:48:02 GMT -5
No great insight to suggest that the schools that will thrive are those that generate the greatest contributions from athletics boosters . My guess was that the top two would be Texas and Texas A& M and as it turns out I was close. A web source states that the top colleges for athletics fundraising for 2005 through 2022 were
#3 Texas $766MM
#2 Tex A & M $849MM
#1 Oregon $969MM
It will be hard for many schools to compete with this kind of $$$.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 5, 2023 16:21:54 GMT -5
If I may infringe on your copyright, KY, this is insanity.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 5, 2023 16:27:13 GMT -5
Called arrogance, greed, and a power grab
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 5, 2023 16:29:03 GMT -5
This is a solution that the athletic programs with tons of money don't need the NCAA to introduce problems for.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 5, 2023 17:48:55 GMT -5
The stipulation that the members of this sub-division don’t have to abide by NCAA rules reminds me of one of the Lyrics to Cat Stevens’ Miles from Nowhere(appropriate)
“ I have my freedom, I can make my own rules, Oh yea,the ones that I choose.”
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 6, 2023 9:31:48 GMT -5
NCAA proposes creation of new subdivision with direct compensation for athletes. By Nicole Auerbach NCAA president Charlie Baker on Tuesday proposed the creation of a new subdivision within Division I that would allow the highest-resource schools the ability to compensate athletes directly through a trust fund and direct name, image and likeness (NIL) payments. The groundbreaking proposal was sent out to Division I members and obtained by The Athletic on Tuesday morning, and it included the following recommendations: The formation of a new subdivision made up of institutions with the highest resources that can directly compensate athletes through an “enhanced educational trust fund,” which requires the schools that opt into it an investment of at least $30,000 per year per athlete for at least half of the school’s eligible athletes. Schools would have to adhere to Title IX, providing equal monetary opportunities to both female and male athletes. Schools in the new subdivision could create their own rules separate from the rest of D-I, and those rules would allow them the ability to address policies such as scholarship limits and roster size as well as transfers and NIL. Any Division I school would be able to enter into an NIL deal with its athletes directly, which is not currently permissible. Any Division I school would be able to distribute to any athlete funding related to educational benefits without any caps on such compensation. These recommendations from Baker come amid mounting pressure to allow schools to directly compensate their athletes, and as the NCAA is facing significant legal challenges to its model. In the letter to D-I members, Baker calls his proposal a “forward-looking framework” that “gives the educational institutions with the most visibility, the most financial resources and the biggest brands an opportunity to choose to operate with a different set of rules that more accurately reflect their scale and their operating model.” This proposal comes after Baker’s et al* appearance before a Senate committee in late October. Senators seemed to be bi-partisan in support for legislation that has broad spectrum of colleges & universities support. All testifying, except lawyer for unionizing athletes, want legislation that preserves 'student-athlete' ie. not employees of the schools. *Commissioner Big 10, President of NIL Collectives Assc, Dean/Provosts from St Joe’s Philly/Notre Dame & lawyer for group that wants union for student athletes. CSPAN video available to get nuisances? |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 6, 2023 9:39:39 GMT -5
IMO because of the threat to the Big Dance and the overwhelming number of non Power conferences, this proposal may pass for football only but will have to be split for hoops and other sports.
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 6, 2023 11:01:38 GMT -5
IMO because of the threat to the Big Dance and the overwhelming number of non Power conferences, this proposal may pass for football only but will have to be split for hoops and other sports. good point... the mid major D-1 bballers especially those without football, may not be on board with this... I think this proposal suggests a Big & Little Dance... the FCS is already in place. |
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Post by timholycross on Dec 6, 2023 11:14:53 GMT -5
With all the ramifications (title 9, power 4, group of 5, lawsuits, unionization, contracts, non-revenue,legislation, basketball), this is going to take forever to sort out.
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