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Post by hchoops on Dec 5, 2023 11:11:08 GMT -5
There goes the Big Dance !
NCAA proposes creation of new subdivision with direct compensation for athletes
By Nicole Auerbach
NCAA president Charlie Baker on Tuesday proposed the creation of a new subdivision within Division I that would allow the highest-resource schools the ability to compensate athletes directly through a trust fund and direct name, image and likeness (NIL) payments.
The groundbreaking proposal was sent out to Division I members and obtained by The Athletic on Tuesday morning, and it included the following recommendations:
The formation of a new subdivision made up of institutions with the highest resources that can directly compensate athletes through an “enhanced educational trust fund,” which requires the schools that opt into it an investment of at least $30,000 per year per athlete for at least half of the school’s eligible athletes. Schools would have to adhere to Title IX, providing equal monetary opportunities to both female and male athletes. Schools in the new subdivision could create their own rules separate from the rest of D-I, and those rules would allow them the ability to address policies such as scholarship limits and roster size as well as transfers and NIL. Any Division I school would be able to enter into an NIL deal with its athletes directly, which is not currently permissible. Any Division I school would be able to distribute to any athlete funding related to educational benefits without any caps on such compensation. These recommendations from Baker come amid mounting pressure to allow schools to directly compensate their athletes, and as the NCAA is facing significant legal challenges to its model. In the letter to D-I members, Baker calls his proposal a “forward-looking framework” that “gives the educational institutions with the most visibility, the most financial resources and the biggest brands an opportunity to choose to operate with a different set of rules that more accurately reflect their scale and their operating model.”
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Post by td128 on Dec 5, 2023 12:00:59 GMT -5
The way that I read this, those with a monopoly do not like ceding that power and control. The Power FB conferences seem to be 'calling the shots' and the NCAA is drafting a proposal to advance their interests with the imprimatur of the NCAA along with it.
Will this plan/proposal ultimately be challenged in the legal courts as well?
Professional sports.
The mid-major schools and especially non-football schools of overall limited means would seem to be facing real challenges here as to how they compete. Money and Power both corrupt yet also carry the day.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 5, 2023 12:19:00 GMT -5
As I have been stressing, we need to figure out what realignment means to Holy Cross, develop a strategy to protect our interests, and then deliver on the strategy. It is straightforward, even if the outcome is not what we desire.
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Post by Tom on Dec 5, 2023 14:16:14 GMT -5
Maybe just get rid of all college sports and have a professional league. Colleges can be the corporate sponsors of the different teams.
Not sure if Title IX would still apply or if schools that sponsor football teams would have to spend equal money sponsoring girls' sports
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 5, 2023 14:21:14 GMT -5
The biggest issue is that the NCAA Basketball Tournament is a massive moneymaker for so many schools. If they go off on their own division, they would lose the NCAA Basketball tournament being a moneymaker and getting enough teams for a 64 team tournament or interest would be tough.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 5, 2023 14:21:51 GMT -5
Maybe just get rid of all college sports and have a professional league. Colleges can be the corporate sponsors of the different teams. Not sure if Title IX would still apply or if schools that sponsor football teams would have to spend equal money sponsoring girls' sports Like the NBA owned Developmental League?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 5, 2023 14:36:29 GMT -5
"Enhanced educational trust fund." Spit up my Diet Coke.
College basketball is officially dead - where do I send flowers?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 5, 2023 14:40:25 GMT -5
Time to trot out my idea from years ago. Eliminate the pretense of amateur athletics in the NCAA.
No one gets a scholarship (which implies, you know, academics). All players for whatever sport get paid salaries (and get to pay taxes, so they get a taste of the real world). They don't have to go to classes, take exams, write papers, do research, none of that. If they choose to do so, they pay tuition, buy their own books, pay for room and board out of their salaries. They would have to sign a contract but let the market decide whether it be a year, two or all four years. Presumably to keep the fig leaf going, salaries would have to, at minimum, be enough to cover room, board, tuition, book.
They are locked in for the length of the contract and transfer portal exists only when/if the contract expires.
OK, discuss.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 5, 2023 15:18:15 GMT -5
Adopting a relegation system, a la English football, wouldn't be the worst idea. I'll leave it to the experts on how best to structure it.
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Post by jkh67 on Dec 5, 2023 15:26:00 GMT -5
As I have been stressing, we need to figure out what realignment means to Holy Cross, develop a strategy to protect our interests, and then deliver on the strategy. It is straightforward, even if the outcome is not what we desire. What has long been the case, but what the last few years are making increasingly self-evident, is that the college football and basketball world is ruled by the big boys, the big boys are in thrall to money, and the money is controlled by TV. Stated differently, the FBS is king and the FCS (and lower subdivisions) are mere minions laboring in the shadow of the FBS colossus. With the exception of the first round or two of the NCAA basketball tournament and occasional encounters, the FBS and FCS exist in separate sports universes. (The FCS football playoffs are a back hand acknowledgment of this reality and I expect that some day there will be an FCS basketball tournament as well. As perhaps there should be.) What do you take HC's interests to be in this rapidly evolving environment? And what do you suggest as a strategy to protect and advance those interests?
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Post by jkh67 on Dec 5, 2023 15:32:40 GMT -5
Time to trot out my idea from years ago. Eliminate the pretense of amateur athletics in the NCAA. No one gets a scholarship (which implies, you know, academics). All players for whatever sport get paid salaries (and get to pay taxes, so they get a taste of the real world). They don't have to go to classes, take exams, write papers, do research, none of that. If they choose to do so, they pay tuition, buy their own books, pay for room and board out of their salaries. They would have to sign a contract but let the market decide whether it be a year, two or all four years. Presumably to keep the fig leaf going, salaries would have to, at minimum, be enough to cover room, board, tuition, book. They are locked in for the length of the contract and transfer portal exists only when/if the contract expires. OK, discuss. You've got to differentiate between FBS (and FBS wannabe) institutions and the rest of college athletics. I generally agree with your approach at the FBS level, but I think there are many schools...not all by a long shot, but many...in the FCS that can still be called "amateur", including our favorite college. Would you recommend implementation of your proposed program at HC?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 5, 2023 17:39:25 GMT -5
Everyone in or everyone out. But I can be talked out of that position. Oh, I'm not Charlie Baker, so it really doesn't matter,
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 5, 2023 20:07:24 GMT -5
As I have been stressing, we need to figure out what realignment means to Holy Cross, develop a strategy to protect our interests, and then deliver on the strategy. It is straightforward, even if the outcome is not what we desire. What has long been the case, but what the last few years are making increasingly self-evident, is that the college football and basketball world is ruled by the big boys, the big boys are in thrall to money, and the money is controlled by TV. Stated differently, the FBS is king and the FCS (and lower subdivisions) are mere minions laboring in the shadow of the FBS colossus. With the exception of the first round or two of the NCAA basketball tournament and occasional encounters, the FBS and FCS exist in separate sports universes. (The FCS football playoffs are a back hand acknowledgment of this reality and I expect that some day there will be an FCS basketball tournament as well. As perhaps there should be.) What do you take HC's interests to be in this rapidly evolving environment? And what do you suggest as a strategy to protect and advance those interests? Some of the wanna be's have a ton of money for example Liberty
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Post by hchoops on Dec 9, 2023 0:08:18 GMT -5
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