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Post by timholycross on Feb 28, 2024 20:39:32 GMT -5
Difficult to see progress and skeptical of the talent that's being brought in (because if the kids were any good, why would they choose Holy Cross). Hope they surprise me.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 28, 2024 20:47:07 GMT -5
I think the Patriot League has both buried HC hoop and buoyed HC football.
It's a great fit for our football program at the FCS-level....but it has buried our hoop program. It is what it is.
I actually don't mind it quite frankly.....a school like HC isn't going to be a player in the NIL-world of college hoops in 2024. More interesting having a viable football program at the FCS-level today imo.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 28, 2024 20:50:15 GMT -5
Did I hear Gehl correctly? That’s 17 straight for Colgate in the series OMG
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Post by timholycross on Feb 28, 2024 20:51:51 GMT -5
Did I hear Gehl correctly? That’s 17 straight for Colgate in the series OMG He is right. 17 in a row. February 1, 2017 last HC win. 2 apiece from 2021-22 through 2023-24 4 in 2020-21. 2 in 2019-20 and 2018-19 3 in 2017-18
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Post by cfrivals on Feb 28, 2024 20:57:42 GMT -5
I think the Patriot League has both buried HC hoop and buoyed HC football. It's a great fit for our football program at the FCS-level....but it has buried our hoop program. It is what it is. I actually don't mind it quite frankly.....a school like HC isn't going to be a player in the NIL-world of college hoops in 2024. More interesting having a viable football program at the FCS-level today imo. [br FB needs to move out from PL with all the movement with conferences and the investment we made in FB, it baffles me that they want to stand pat. The league has no respect period!
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Post by hc87 on Feb 28, 2024 21:01:02 GMT -5
HC hoop is never going to approach past levels of success in hoop, be it the 40s and 50s or the late 70s and early 2000s.....the hoop world has changed. A school like HC, an academic-first school in a league that prizes that, is never going to be a factor in this NIL college-hoop D1 world. Sad, but that's the reality.
Not saying we can't cheer them on etc....but they are probably never going to a factor moving forward sadly.
It will be interesting how long Paulsen deals with this moving forward.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 28, 2024 21:07:04 GMT -5
Heard the voices of frustration loud & clear. Game went as anticipated.. Talent gap was obvious. What did you expect? Try not to draw general conclusions about the future direction of HC basketball. Patience.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 28, 2024 21:07:13 GMT -5
I've been a big fan of Joe Nugent but 2 field goal attempts in 29 minutes of play is not going to get us many wins
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Post by cmo on Feb 28, 2024 21:18:41 GMT -5
HC hoop is never going to approach past levels of success in hoop, be it the 40s and 50s or the late 70s and early 2000s.....the hoop world has changed. A school like HC, an academic-first school in a league that prizes that, is never going to be a factor in this NIL college-hoop D1 world. Sad, but that's the reality. Not saying we can't cheer them on etc....but they are probably never going to a factor moving forward sadly. It will be interesting how long Paulsen deals with this moving forward. Let’s start with being a factor in this terrible league. Like, let’s get a home payoff game. Let’s go to the semis. Anything.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 28, 2024 21:21:05 GMT -5
It is what is but as I've said forever on this and past forums, HC hoop will never be successful overall in this type of league.....hoop-wise, HC belongs in a more high-profile league. This league just isn't the right "fit" for HC basketball.....it never has been. We belong with other similar nationally-known Catholic/Jesuit schools in the Big East or A-10 if we're really serious about basketball.
The problem is, how do we separate the rest of the athletic programs in the PL from the hoop program?
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Post by hc87 on Feb 28, 2024 21:39:46 GMT -5
HC hoop is never going to approach past levels of success in hoop, be it the 40s and 50s or the late 70s and early 2000s.....the hoop world has changed. A school like HC, an academic-first school in a league that prizes that, is never going to be a factor in this NIL college-hoop D1 world. Sad, but that's the reality. Not saying we can't cheer them on etc....but they are probably never going to a factor moving forward sadly. It will be interesting how long Paulsen deals with this moving forward. Let’s start with being a factor in this terrible league. Like, let’s get a home payoff game. Let’s go to the semis. Anything. We really can't recruit at this level of hoop, no one cares about Lehigh (no offense) in Greater Worcester.....there really is no way of "playing ourselves" out of this league outside of outright leaving this league for basketball.. It is what it is. I often think of how different HC hoop and Greater Worcester would have been if HC had joined the Big East in 1979 and there were weekly games at the Centrum against Syracuse, Villanova, Georgetown etc. Tragically sad in what we squandered.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 28, 2024 21:55:20 GMT -5
Put it this way, we could be losing 17 games in a row to Colgate or be in a league with a Syracuse (pre-ACC) .....where does HC basketball, given its history, really fit?
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 28, 2024 22:31:58 GMT -5
HC can't suck it's way into a better league. If you liked the Willard years, those are available to a PL team. That type of post season run (five national post season tournaments in ten years) may not be available to HC in a higher league even with an RW level coach. Ralph didn't have a run like that at Pitt. George didn't have a run like that at Seton Hall. DP didn't duplicate his Bucknell or Williams runs at George Mason. But now we have DP back in the PL. Patience.
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Post by trimster on Feb 28, 2024 22:57:44 GMT -5
Who knows what the Paulsen era holds for HC hoop. What we do know is over the last 5 years, HC has had one of the worst programs in all of D1 basketball and I don't think anyone can argue that fact. The record speaks for itself and is even more dreadful when you subtract 5 meaningless D3 wins in that timeframe. It has been an embarrassment.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 29, 2024 7:11:23 GMT -5
Brutal truth — we won’t miss Bo all that much. Running the offense we allegedly run- he's one of the few that can create anything. Unfortunately, more often than not, he's created misses and not makes. 2-10 last night or thereabouts. There has to be something Paulsen can run that creates more catch-and-shoots- having Nugent shoot the ball twice is criminal.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 29, 2024 7:35:58 GMT -5
This team is BAD. We need to get better athletes and try to join the A-10. The PL has killed our basketball program. Attendance is low and the students don't even show up, last night only a handful of students at the game.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 29, 2024 7:49:49 GMT -5
I think the Patriot League has both buried HC hoop and buoyed HC football. It's a great fit for our football program at the FCS-level....but it has buried our hoop program. It is what it is. I actually don't mind it quite frankly.....a school like HC isn't going to be a player in the NIL-world of college hoops in 2024. More interesting having a viable football program at the FCS-level today imo. [br FB needs to move out from PL with all the movement with conferences and the investment we made in FB, it baffles me that they want to stand pat. The league has no respect period! And go where? As Colgate and Lehigh start to turn it around, I think we'll see a stronger league in football. It just so happened that when we were at our peak under Chesney, those two proud programs were at their bottom.
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 29, 2024 9:19:50 GMT -5
Difficult to see progress and skeptical of the talent that's being brought in (because if the kids were any good, why would they choose Holy Cross). Hope they surprise me. You could have said the same thing when Gilmore was fired and Chesney took over the football program. Look how that turned out.
Patience.
Paulsen is a proven winner and has a good chance of getting HC to the top of the PL with a few years of his recruits and coaching.
I've watched extensive videos on several of the 4 recruits coming in next year and I really like what I see.
I understand your frustration. Nelson was a horrible hire and did severe damage to the basketball program. Thank almighty God he is gone! But I truly believe that the next two seasons will show significant improvement.
I for one am willing to be patient.
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 29, 2024 9:25:01 GMT -5
This team is BAD. We need to get better athletes and try to join the A-10. The PL has killed our basketball program. Attendance is low and the students don't even show up, last night only a handful of students at the game.Win and they will come.
If you want to check out student apathy, look at the stands at the Conte Forum last night for the UVA/BC game. There were entire sections of seats with no one in them. The announced crowd was 4,800. I think 2,500 was more realistic from the TV shots.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 29, 2024 9:27:44 GMT -5
HC losing its way into a higher conference seems counterintuitive to me. Also, have any been following the transfer/NIL money chaos in big time professional college sports? RP's comments on the state of bball were truly worrisome. The Spring '24 portal is going to be a mad house. HC ain't going there, nor should it. HC plays on an even playing field under the same guidelines & rules as other PL schools. Yet other schools have produced winning teams. Highly rated academic schools such as Colgate & Bucknell have had good teams.Why are these & other schools winning while HC playing under the same PL rules is consistently losing? What can we learn from these PL programs & others? With a program mired in years of mismanagement and losing, it is going to take time to develop a winning program. HC bball has been hard, very hard for HC faithful - players, students & alums. I understand the frustration. The program is not going to change direction overnight. Hiring DP, a successful PL coach seems like a good start, no? But it's gonna' take time for HC to show real, consistent improvement. Peace.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 29, 2024 9:31:51 GMT -5
For every game where there is a crazy student section, there are about 50 others that resemble the Hart. All one has to do is check out replays on ESPN+.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 29, 2024 9:33:56 GMT -5
HC losing its way into a higher conference seems counterintuitive to me. Also, have any been following the transfer/NIL money chaos in big time professional college sports? RP's comments on the state of bball were truly worrisome. The Spring '24 portal is going to be a mad house. HC ain't going there, nor should it. HC plays on even playing field under the same guidelines & rules as other PL schools. Yet other schools have produced winning teams. Highly rated academic schools such as Colgate & Bucknell have had good teams.Why are these & other schools winning while HC playing under the same PL rules is consistently losing? What can we learn from these PL programs & others? With a program mired in years of mismanagement and losing, it is going to take time to develop a winning program. HC bball has been hard, very hard for HC faithful - players, students & alums. I understand the frustration. The program is not going to change direction overnight. Hiring DP, a successful PL coach seems like a good start, no? But it's gonna' take time for HC to show real, consistent improvement. Peace. I would say one lesson learned is: never, ever again hire someone who has never dealt with actual student athletes.
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Post by hc1996 on Feb 29, 2024 9:36:44 GMT -5
I remain optimistic. It's a work in progress as we all know it would be. With regard to the league being bad for HC, there really aren't any other reasonable options. And further, is it really that bad? The league has always had one decent team that is about a 14 to 16 seed in the tournament. The PL ranks very low in the national rankings and always has. Give Paulsen and the kids a chance to further develop and improve the program. As far as talent and athleticism, I'd argue that we may be a step ahead of where those Willard teams were. The fact that he accomplished what he did with those kids is so very impressive. What a coach he was! Now it's Paulsen's turn to deliver.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 29, 2024 9:42:26 GMT -5
This team is BAD. We need to get better athletes and try to join the A-10. The PL has killed our basketball program. Attendance is low and the students don't even show up, last night only a handful of students at the game.Win and they will come.
If you want to check out student apathy, look at the stands at the Conte Forum last night for the UVA/BC game. There were entire sections of seats with no one in them. The announced crowd was 4,800. I think 2,500 was more realistic from the TV shots.
I saw Earl Grant's College of Charleston team and I thought BC made a good choice hiring him. He doesn't seem to have made much of a positive impact, however. As opposed to the apathetic basketball fans and the football fans that left Alumni in droves in September (leaving HC "in charge" of the place), BC's home-and-home with BU in hockey 2-3 weeks ago was quite an event.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 29, 2024 9:54:10 GMT -5
Difficult to see progress and skeptical of the talent that's being brought in (because if the kids were any good, why would they choose Holy Cross). Hope they surprise me. You could have said the same thing when Gilmore was fired and Chesney took over the football program. Look how that turned out.
Patience.
Paulsen is a proven winner and has a good chance of getting HC to the top of the PL with a few years of his recruits and coaching.
I've watched extensive videos on several of the 4 recruits coming in next year and I really like what I see.
I understand your frustration. Nelson was a horrible hire and did severe damage to the basketball program. Thank almighty God he is gone! But I truly believe that the next two seasons will show significant improvement.
I for one am willing to be patient.
DP brought in 5 kids and has 3 or 4 coming. Let's hope that by the beginning of April, that 8 or 9 is no worse than 7 or 8*; if it is then throw patience out the window. *some attrition in the current climate is inevitable. Has nothing to do with DP or Holy Cross; just the way it is.
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