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Post by hc1996 on Mar 5, 2024 14:57:09 GMT -5
Interesting. The college's president came out against this movement saying that the players are students and not employees and that Dartmouth doesn't offer athletic scholarships. I'd be really interested to see how many of those players actually pay a tuition bill. I'm guessing maybe none.
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Post by gks on Mar 5, 2024 15:07:11 GMT -5
If I'm Dartmouth I'd cut Men's Basketball immediately after the season.
Not worth the impending headache for a team no one cares about.
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 5, 2024 15:14:50 GMT -5
If I'm Dartmouth I'd cut Men's Basketball immediately after the season. Not worth the impending headache for a team no one cares about. They'll save a lot of money on those "special grants" that absolutely aren't athletic scholarships.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 5, 2024 15:42:47 GMT -5
This is a joke
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Post by efg72 on Mar 5, 2024 15:54:18 GMT -5
Keep the program Eliminate Financial Packages Union wages and they pay their own tuition, room and board
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 5, 2024 16:18:09 GMT -5
Take the money spent on the program and invest it in intramurals with nice uniforms, trainers, the current coaching staff until their contracts run out, professional refs, enhanced nutrition, film sessions etc.
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 5, 2024 20:47:04 GMT -5
D: As in Dartmouth? Or as in pompous D-bags?
(Can I say that on here?)
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Post by matunuck on Mar 5, 2024 20:51:55 GMT -5
Keep the program Eliminate Financial Packages Union wages and they pay their own tuition, room and board and taxes on those wages.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 5, 2024 21:04:50 GMT -5
If the media is to be believed the players do not want to form their own union but instead have opted to join an existing union of on campus workers. If true, interesting. Maybe some day some players become Teamsters.
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Post by Tom on Mar 6, 2024 8:53:05 GMT -5
If the media is to be believed the players do not want to form their own union but instead have opted to join an existing union of on campus workers. If true, interesting. Maybe some day some players become Teamsters. While I'm sure union leadership would be happy to have more dues paying members, I'm not sure the membership of people like meal hall workers and physical plant workers would love to have these kids in the fold. I just can't see a custodian refusing to cross a picket line of a kid who is striking because they have to take a long bus ride instead of a plane ride to a borderline far away game
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Post by mm67 on Mar 6, 2024 9:07:24 GMT -5
Respectfully, I'm not a scab. I never have crossed nor would I ever cross a picket line. Union members do not cross picket lines nor do they question the rationale for the strike. If brothers/sisters in other unions strike then members from other unions respect the strike, Peace
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 6, 2024 9:30:14 GMT -5
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 6, 2024 9:39:09 GMT -5
If the media is to be believed the players do not want to form their own union but instead have opted to join an existing union of on campus workers. If true, interesting. Maybe some day some players become Teamsters. While I'm sure union leadership would be happy to have more dues paying members, I'm not sure the membership of people like meal hall workers and physical plant workers would love to have these kids in the fold. I just can't see a custodian refusing to cross a picket line of a kid who is striking because they have to take a long bus ride instead of a plane ride to a borderline far away game My understanding is that the players are joining a union that represents other campus employees. I was once a member of the Teamsters union (and went on strike). Even if the players are in a different union the clear message I got was that you don't cross another union's picket line.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 6, 2024 9:48:13 GMT -5
If all the Dartmouth varsity kids want to unionize and to be treated as compensated employees I have no problem with that. If Dartmouth leadership instead wants an amateur model and disbands their varsity intercollegiate sports program (in part or in whole) I have no problem with that either.
As this particular notion spreads (if it does), other schools can either treat their unionized varsity athletes as compensated employees or disband their intercollegiate sports programs. In part or in whole. I can imagine a variety of choices by the various colleges.
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 6, 2024 9:53:06 GMT -5
What is the grievance process when a player gets cut from the team? Are student managers members of the team?
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Post by Tom on Mar 6, 2024 10:03:04 GMT -5
While I'm sure union leadership would be happy to have more dues paying members, I'm not sure the membership of people like meal hall workers and physical plant workers would love to have these kids in the fold. I just can't see a custodian refusing to cross a picket line of a kid who is striking because they have to take a long bus ride instead of a plane ride to a borderline far away game My understanding is that the players are joining a union that represents other campus employees. I was once a member of the Teamsters union (and went on strike). Even if the players are in a different union the clear message I got was that you don't cross another union's picket line. I understand that concept and I'm sure they wouldn't cross the line. I just wonder if the typical union worker at Dartmouth would be happy the idea of not crossing a line (and thus not getting paid) because a bunch of kids playing a game. A person can follow all the guidelines and still not be happy that college kids playing a game are being treated like working people just trying to put food on the table. For what it's worth, I know union stewards who fight vigorously to defend someone who is a total screw up because that is their job as a steward, but at the same time aren't happy that they have to go to bat for a screw up who is dragging the whole shop down
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 6, 2024 10:13:04 GMT -5
I can just imagine the broadcast of a Harvard-Dartmouth game: "Harvard is led by its senior captain Joe Jones and Dartmouth by Shop Steward senior Mike Smith"......
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 6, 2024 10:36:53 GMT -5
I would love to know if the Dartmouth players are on the hook for tuition, etc. We all know the games many other Ivies play with "grants" trying to maintain their non-scholarship front.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 6, 2024 10:51:31 GMT -5
The Dartmouth Teamsters basketball team. Has a certain ring to it.. Would anyone outside of a few even notice or care if the Big Green dropped basketball? "Roughouse Rudy" LaRusso (Courtesy of Johnny Most)must be turning over.
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 6, 2024 11:00:50 GMT -5
The Dartmouth Teamsters basketball team. Has a certain ring to it.. Would anyone outside of a few even notice or care if the Big Green dropped basketball? "Roughouse Rudy" LaRusso (Courtesy of Johnny Most)must be turning over. Does the Ivy League require them to have a basketball team??
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 6, 2024 11:36:25 GMT -5
I would love to know if the Dartmouth players are on the hook for tuition, etc. We all know the games many other Ivies play with "grants" trying to maintain their non-scholarship front. We all know the games many other Ivies play with "grants" trying to maintain their non-scholarship front. facade.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 6, 2024 14:11:02 GMT -5
The Dartmouth Teamsters basketball team. Has a certain ring to it.. Would anyone outside of a few even notice or care if the Big Green dropped basketball? "Roughouse Rudy" LaRusso (Courtesy of Johnny Most)must be turning over. The irony of having something like this, right or wrong, originate from a program that has been consistently bad for over 60 years! Do you realize the last time Dartmouth went to the dance (they were actually pretty good in the 40s and 50s); Doggie Julian was the coach and Dave Gavitt was a player? The years following their Ivy title, Doggie went 5-19, 6-18, 7-18, 2-23, 4-21, 3-21, 7-17... didn't exactly close out his coaching career with a flourish.
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Post by Wayne on Mar 6, 2024 14:16:00 GMT -5
As an aside, I find it interesting that Holy Cross and Dartmouth have not played each other on the hardwood since 2012, and only twice since 2005. Definitely do not miss them, but the Big Green played Westfield State and Thomas College this year while Holy Cross played Elms. Seems like Dartmouth could have sacrificed one of the two D3 games to come to Worcester, especially considering they were able to get four D1 teams to travel to Hanover (UMass-Lowell, UNH, Marist) while Holy Cross could only get three. And it would guarantee them a home game next season.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 7, 2024 12:57:14 GMT -5
As an aside, I find it interesting that Holy Cross and Dartmouth have not played each other on the hardwood since 2012, and only twice since 2005. Definitely do not miss them, but the Big Green played Westfield State and Thomas College this year while Holy Cross played Elms. Seems like Dartmouth could have sacrificed one of the two D3 games to come to Worcester, especially considering they were able to get four D1 teams to travel to Hanover (UMass-Lowell, UNH, Marist) while Holy Cross could only get three. And it would guarantee them a home game next season. Or last year with Holy Cross playing that powerhouse from Franklin, MA and that one from New London, NH
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 7, 2024 13:57:56 GMT -5
Yawn
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