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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 6, 2017 18:44:05 GMT -5
I posted, then withdrew, the salaries/benefits from HC's 990 a number of years ago when the discussion was about MB's salary vs. TG's. Though a public record, I decided after some thought and posts that it was semi-private information and if someone wanted it, they could do what I did - look it up as I know I wouldn't want my salary posted though it was as I last worked for a non-profit. In one of the last broadcasts after TG was fired, the announcers (TV3) said that TG was the hardest working coach on Mt. St. James, "bar none" and that if you asked any other HC coach they would say the same thing. In fact MB was making a lot more than TG and as I recall, Carmody is making a lot more than MB was and closer to what RW made (at the time, I knew what he made too from the 990s and was by far the highest compensated person on the hill as I was curious what MB made compared to RW). It simply showed that the athletic priority of Holy Cross was men's basketball and a very distant second was football. And that's the way it is going to be for the foreseeable future. A new football coach is not going to make $300K much less $400K. Just not going to happen. So, folks, lower your expectations as to what level head coach we are going to get. Worcester is a lot more expensive to live in than the Lehigh Valley or Hamilton, NY but it is a lot less expensive than NYC, the beltway or Boston and the pay offered will reflect those differences. We are probably going to get an up and comer like Chesney or whoever the football equivalent of Carmody is - an unemployed, experienced guy who wants to start earning a paycheck again and thinks he can turn around the program. My guess is a Chesney would be offered about $175K and an experienced guy maybe up to $250K. That's a nice salary for Worcester. The above makes sense, although I feel we can pony up to 350K to match Milan's base. Based on 2015 990's Susan made less than Gilmore. No listing for Lehigh, Laf or Fordham coaches in 990 that I could find. Talley at Villanova made about 340K in 2015. Fordham's BB coach made about 750K. Elon made about 320K |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 6, 2017 16:26:46 GMT -5
Actually, 400K does appear high, based on a quick look, although Liberty's coach is making over 700K and several are making in the 300 and 400's base. The structures are pretty fascinating. Take a look at the linked URI contract. All types of compensation, inc. base, portionof guarantee gates, performance incentives, car allowance, bonus for amount collected in fundraising, etc. hkm.com/football/wp-content/uploads/coach-contracts/jamesfleming-uri-employment-contract.pdf |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 6, 2017 15:38:34 GMT -5
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 6, 2017 15:32:04 GMT -5
Maybe Chesney is being interviewed for a coordinator position.
Montana just hired a D-II head coach to be OC.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 6, 2017 15:19:07 GMT -5
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 6, 2017 13:24:17 GMT -5
We don’t Army on the schedule in near future. Navy yes but not Army. My bad. Tougher game. We can hang in there. Their ground based run game will wear on us, but should be able to score. I guess Army won't schedule us since we beat them in the PL era. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 6, 2017 12:47:37 GMT -5
I am as impatient as anyone to hear the name, but we should let the process play out and see what happens. I trust that ADNP will make the choice he believes will provide the most success, as his professional reputation is tied to the success of the athletic programs he oversees.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 6, 2017 12:29:23 GMT -5
I think any person who has been on this board for any length of time knows that there are some posters, like hc87, that act like proponents of the program, but are continuously and notoriously negative. Indeed, their MO is to attack beyond the point of fair criticism. Whether an attempt to be glib or just mean, I don't know, but to question the ability or accomplishment of playing for HC in the post 1991 period, is surely one thing - stupid. Being a fan, attending games, donating money, are all important facets of supporting the program, regardless of how long you have done so. However, even if you have long attended games and followed the teams, if you really feel that the program is terrible, the players are not accomplished, or the teams don't belong on the same field as some other programs, you are not a fan or supporter, you're just an asshole who does not really understand football.
They look at long ago successes as a barometer to measure the very different world the program now occupies. They have no vision or genuine desire to see the program succeed in the present environment. There have been some down years and that is not something any of us cheer. However, if you are not on board with the most of the goals below, you are simply a curmudgeon who lives in the past.
Immediate goals for program over next 5 years:
1. Consistently compete for and Win PL title
2. Win playoff games
3. Schedule as many FBS games as possible, preferably in other parts of the country. This will deliver the HC brand to more recruits in other regions.
4. Play well in FBS games. We did vs. UConn. BC will he more difficult. Syracuse will be difficult. Army is a game that go either way, but is certainly a winnable game.
If the above goals are accomplished, we will have continually improved recruiting classes, and thus the program will continue to progress. If the program progresses, then we can start to entertain the more extreme positions espoused here, e.g. leaving the PL, joining the CAA, etc.
Essentially, viewing the program through the lens of the past is not as helpful for the progess of the program as viewing the program from the starting point of today, i.e. new coach, new era. Arguably, it is a regressive mindset, and does not nothing to get us where we all want to be.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 30, 2017 12:14:08 GMT -5
My response would be inappropriate for the board. I’m tired of the know it all attitude of so many of you. Those of you who think NP owes you any intern report are unrealistic. You know HC and you know Jesuits. I’m one. Spenser is pretty triggered. He sent me a private message with the subject line "#$@&^*! You" and called me a "pompous asshole." Let me set the record straight for Spens: I can be an asshole from time to time, but pompous is a bridge too far. I don't think ADNP owes us any reports or updates. Our love of the program and school certainly drives our interest in the next coach and at this point, everything is hypothetical or speculative. My statement about "No. Post It." was intended as a joke response to your pro- Chesney "google it" comment. The proper response to my attempt at levity and laziness (not pomposity) was Capt Karl's response. You response was pretty over the top. However, I am not easily offended, the only reaction I had was sadness for, and light contempt for, you. The interesting thing about the internet is that things can be said that would not be said in personal interactions. Were that said in a personal interaction with me, and my children were not around, one would hope that you packed a lunch. By now, you should know that everyone on this board knows more than everyone else on this board. This is similar to any other board on the internet, where real expertise and experience are second to typing speed and perceived wit. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 30, 2017 10:24:05 GMT -5
Well played. I was obviously kidding. Also, I am sorry to see you back on the board. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 30, 2017 8:19:53 GMT -5
No. Link it.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 29, 2017 21:46:51 GMT -5
speaking of Yale - Would Joe Conlin be a candidate? Or if we're poaching from Ivies - would Joel Lamb leave Cambridge for a head job?
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 29, 2017 18:45:59 GMT -5
That is a good coach. However, I cannot believe he graduated Fordham in the 90's? How can that be right? He looks to be about 50-55. Coaching is a hard life.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 29, 2017 18:35:46 GMT -5
worcester - fair enough. I never said he could not do the job, or that he is not a good coach. Obviously, in your opinion, he is the best choice, which is not unreasonable. In my opinion, there are other better choices, which is also not an unreasonable opinion. My concerns are with recruiting. He has 5 or 6 players outside of the Northeast on the roster. I assume the similar at Salve. He has never recruited nationally - due no doubt to financial constraints on him by the DII program. I have no qualms with his coaching track record.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 29, 2017 18:09:18 GMT -5
I have to think that is a troll...is that a picture of McBeath? Who else wore 43 in those uniform styles?
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 29, 2017 18:04:41 GMT -5
Serious question worcester - did you go to Assumption? Do you personally know Chesney? I'm curious as to the level of bias involved in your position. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 29, 2017 12:58:18 GMT -5
Would Jason Swepson be in the mix? Not saying it would be the right hire, but he is from MA, coached briefly at HC, and then BC, NC State and had an unsuccessful run as head coach of Elon. Again, with all the talk of D-II candidates, lets not forget that ADNP is in contact with a current NFL assistant with ties to the area and solid resume of college recruiting. Said NFL assistant will be looking for a new job in 5 weeks. Not sure. He has been a pretty well regarded assistant for years. I assume he wants the stability (relative to a NFL gig) of a college job, and like any good asst. coach, wants a head job. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 29, 2017 12:29:02 GMT -5
Would Jason Swepson be in the mix? Not saying it would be the right hire, but he is from MA, coached briefly at HC, and then BC, NC State and had an unsuccessful run as head coach of Elon.
Again, with all the talk of D-II candidates, lets not forget that ADNP is in contact with a current NFL assistant with ties to the area and solid resume of college recruiting.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 29, 2017 10:39:53 GMT -5
I get the feeling that Worcester is either Chesney or Chesney's wife.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 28, 2017 21:23:48 GMT -5
Believe me, you know I'm all about defending New England/Massachusetts football in general, but if our "nation-wide" search doesn't extend beyond the city limits of Worcester....we're worse off than I thought we were. I have a feeling that the next coach will have MA ties, but will be from the NFL or a FBS assistant. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 28, 2017 20:02:26 GMT -5
If Assumption wins the D-II, National Championship (they are in the semifinals this weekend), I think he could be the hire. I am not saying that not winning eliminates him, or is otherwise a knock on his abilities, but winning it gives Pine the cover to hire from a lower division.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 28, 2017 16:49:18 GMT -5
I'll read into it that the former AD at Stonehill who Nick Smith worked for at Stonehill is the COO of the athletic department at HC (Brendan Sullivan). Only if you want to be logical. I eluded to a more interesting and conspiratorial interpretation. The latter is more fun than the former. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 28, 2017 16:05:17 GMT -5
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 28, 2017 12:19:37 GMT -5
FYI - not many kids had off campus jobs when I was there. They came from the upper crust of Irish Catholic society.
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 28, 2017 11:37:38 GMT -5
I am completely opposed to putting teammates together as freshmen. I think that part of college is meeting people who are different than you. After the first year, kids choose their own roommates so they can do what they want. Protein bars in the locker room are fine by me too. I don't want to go back to the training table of old. I am opposed to allowing athletes first choices of class times as well. What about the kid who wants to work or the kid who wants time to hang out in the dorm. I don't know if HC is like most schools where there are not a lot of Friday classes anymore. If it is, the need to schedule around athletics travel has been reduced anyway. As to the coach, a youngish 1AA OC/DC from a higher academic school (especially one who would think that HC is a final stop, not a stepping stone) sounds like TG all over again. While I think that such a person could do the job and would presumably have the appropriate recruiting connections, I think NP will try to get a new look and I am willing to go with a D2 or D3 coach who has the potential to be a real superstar. I could be wrong Putting players from teams together as freshman makes sense. Unlike most students, who are from similar geographic areas, schools (MA, NY, CT), athletes often show up with no connection except for being teammates. That being said, meeting other students is necessary and good - and thus mixed dorms are beneficial (as opposed to athlete only dorms), except when non-athlete drunkenness interferes with sleep on non-free nights or before early morning workouts. Kimball is awesome. No need for training table. A program nutritionist is not a bad idea however. Athletes should have first choice of class times due to the time expended in sports, practice times, etc. Every student should be able to take the classes they want, but an athlete should not be required to choose between missing practice and taking a lab at 4 PM because the 11 AM lab was full (because a civilian student wants to start partying/hanging out at 4). However, this was never a major issue in my time (excepting labs). As to the coach - let the search work itself out. HC is a Division 1AA head coaching position. PERIOD. There will be no shortage of qualified candidates. There is at least one NFL assistant coach interested. I think that shows that the job is attractive as that certainly would be a pay cut. |
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