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Post by cfrivals on Jan 29, 2017 21:22:01 GMT -5
ADNP, what does he think of where BB program is. Is he happy with league alignment and current state? That is all that matters at this point. Look at FB, WBB, Hockey , heck even baseball!! With the 100 million invested in athletic facilities, are we hoping to garner some upgrades and excitement in the programs affected? Why so much $$ to FB? Are we going FBS? Are we letting a low level hockey league determine our entrance into the best D1 league in the country? The brass is very quiet and the losses keep mounting. Need to hear more buzz! Enlighten us! Get message to alumni and Worcester that this is going to change and here is how!! Too much sound of crickets!
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Post by hc87 on Jan 29, 2017 23:09:14 GMT -5
They have no idea what they are doing....it's basically, keep doing the same old thing ovah and ovah i.e. have a bunch of sports so kids will go to HC and pay 60K in some cases and continue to have lousy football and basketball. Am I wrong???
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 29, 2017 23:21:31 GMT -5
Sounds like you are really saying that they do have an idea what they are doing but you just don't agree with it......
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Post by hc87 on Jan 29, 2017 23:24:25 GMT -5
Sounds like you are really saying that they do have an idea what they are doing but you just don't agree with it...... You're probably right.....do you disagree with this statement i.e. HC is basically in the participation sport/game at this point?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 29, 2017 23:46:25 GMT -5
Sounds like you are really saying that they do have an idea what they are doing but you just don't agree with it...... You're probably right.....do you disagree with this statement i.e. HC is basically in the participation sport/game at this point? I have to disagree. We would not be investing in athletic facilities the way we are if we were not serious about the "major" sports.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 29, 2017 23:52:16 GMT -5
Fair enough....I'd agree with you if we didn't have the most inept football coach in all of FCS football and play in one of the worst D1 basketball leagues in the country....fact of the mattah is that the TPTB don't really care about HC athletics outside of whether the kids tuition checks don't bounce
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 30, 2017 5:32:33 GMT -5
Fair enough....I'd agree with you if we didn't have the most inept football coach in all of FCS football and play in one of the worst D1 basketball leagues in the country....fact of the mattah is that the TPTB don't really care about HC athletics outside of whether the kids tuition checks don't bounce To quote the late, great Ronald Reagan . . . . . "there you go again." Didn't take long this time.
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Post by joe on Jan 30, 2017 6:56:00 GMT -5
What's happening is that HC is placing a lot stock in the new facilities as a means of bringing in athletes that can turn their respective programs around. Only problem is that the basketball arena is still a gym, the football stadium is still a field, and the hockey arena is still a rink with some seats. Also I think HC prefers mediocrity in the PL to years of getting creamed as we try to adjust to a better conference prematurely. Doesn't seem like the best option to me, but I'm glad HC is doing something, and am keeping hope up that they know better than me. If it we're me I would have only made the investment concurrent with a planned conference upgrade in the major sports and de-emphasis of some of the others. I would have poured that 95 million into infrastructure to support those programs first and prepared HC fans for 4-7 years of lumps for a greater good.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 30, 2017 9:29:56 GMT -5
Fair enough....I'd agree with you if we didn't have the most inept football coach in all of FCS football and play in one of the worst D1 basketball leagues in the country....fact of the mattah is that the TPTB don't really care about HC athletics outside of whether the kids tuition checks don't bounce Most inept? What about the coaches whose teams HC beat? Does that mean you think he had his team beat those coached by "better" coaches? PS: Don't worry. I doubt the tuition checks from "scholarship' athletes will bounce.
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Post by matunuck on Jan 30, 2017 9:41:46 GMT -5
What's happening is that HC is placing a lot stock in the new facilities as a means of bringing in athletes that can turn their respective programs around. Only problem is that the basketball arena is still a gym, the football stadium is still a field, and the hockey arena is still a rink with some seats. Also I think HC prefers mediocrity in the PL to years of getting creamed as we try to adjust to a better conference prematurely. Doesn't seem like the best option to me, but I'm glad HC is doing something, and am keeping hope up that they know better than me. If it we're me I would have only made the investment concurrent with a planned conference upgrade in the major sports and de-emphasis of some of the others. I would have poured that 95 million into infrastructure to support those programs first and prepared HC fans for 4-7 years of lumps for a greater good. I thought I was the only one on this board who found our "new" basketball court a huge disappointment.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 30, 2017 9:52:37 GMT -5
What's happening is that HC is placing a lot stock in the new facilities as a means of bringing in athletes that can turn their respective programs around. Only problem is that the basketball arena is still a gym, the football stadium is still a field, and the hockey arena is still a rink with some seats. Also I think HC prefers mediocrity in the PL to years of getting creamed as we try to adjust to a better conference prematurely. Doesn't seem like the best option to me, but I'm glad HC is doing something, and am keeping hope up that they know better than me. If it we're me I would have only made the investment concurrent with a planned conference upgrade in the major sports and de-emphasis of some of the others. I would have poured that 95 million into infrastructure to support those programs first and prepared HC fans for 4-7 years of lumps for a greater good. I thought I was the only one on this board who found our "new" basketball court a huge disappointment. I doubt Fitton Field is costing HC any ballplayers. And they did enough for football with these new buildings to make a difference, at least in theory. I don't see any reason the Hart Center needed to be larger if that's what you're driving at. I would have done it over differently for sure (traded some capacity for real chairs in a lot of places); and I don't think the bottom line would have been affected all that much. The practice court has some real benefits. The hockey rink; well, yes, it's still a rink with a few seats! Hockey for sure of the major sports got the least benefit from the spending spree.
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Post by joe on Jan 30, 2017 9:59:27 GMT -5
I would have liked to have seen a Fitton upgrade be part of a football house with turf and a winter dome and all ancillary football "stuff" moved down there, away from the masses. See Harvard and BC. It's nice as a player to work out and be close to your home field all year long and not just 5 or 6 days a year.
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Post by matunuck on Jan 30, 2017 10:02:42 GMT -5
Not larger -- still looks like a glorified gym for what's supposed to be our premiere sport.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 30, 2017 11:07:20 GMT -5
Not larger -- still looks like a glorified gym for what's supposed to be our premiere sport. Exactly what I meant. It was a 1975 version of the late 50s Roberts Center (BC) and Alumni Hall (PC) and now is a 2017 version. Whereas there are other venues that are the same size that are not.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jan 30, 2017 11:20:15 GMT -5
I would have liked to have seen a Fitton upgrade be part of a football house with turf and a winter dome and all ancillary football "stuff" moved down there, away from the masses. See Harvard and BC. It's nice as a player to work out and be close to your home field all year long and not just 5 or 6 days a year. You realize that's probably a $20-30M plus project?
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Post by joe on Jan 30, 2017 11:26:26 GMT -5
I would have liked to have seen a Fitton upgrade be part of a football house with turf and a winter dome and all ancillary football "stuff" moved down there, away from the masses. See Harvard and BC. It's nice as a player to work out and be close to your home field all year long and not just 5 or 6 days a year. You realize that's probably a $20-30M plus project? Yes. If our competition can do it and we want to beat them we need to do it also. This would have been 1/3 of the cost of the Hart Removations, right? 1/3 for one of our few premier sports makes sense. But it makes sense only if you're striving for excellence, not mediocrity.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jan 30, 2017 11:32:29 GMT -5
You realize that's probably a $20-30M plus project? Yes. If our competition can do it and we want to beat them we need to do it also. This would have been 1/3 of the cost of the Hart Removations, right? 1/3 for one of our few premier sports makes sense. But it makes sense only if you're striving for excellence, not mediocrity. I actually think the Hart upgrades reek of excellence. Indoor field, huge weight room, sports med, offices, locker rooms all with Di look and feel? Not sure what's mediocre about that kind of investment.
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Post by joe on Jan 30, 2017 11:46:08 GMT -5
Yes. If our competition can do it and we want to beat them we need to do it also. This would have been 1/3 of the cost of the Hart Removations, right? 1/3 for one of our few premier sports makes sense. But it makes sense only if you're striving for excellence, not mediocrity. I actually think the Hart upgrades reek of excellence. Indoor field, huge weight room, sports med, offices, locker rooms all with Di look and feel? Not sure what's mediocre about that kind of investment. Nothing is wrong with it - it's incomplete. My point was that we invested like 100 million dollars into facilities and left the playing fields almost unchanged. The Hart renovation is not impressive. Sorry.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 30, 2017 12:08:27 GMT -5
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 30, 2017 12:32:19 GMT -5
The administration is doing almost everything that it can. Although I hate the second year of the #RiseTogether hash tag (what, was the program dead and now the zombies will live again? Or is it the Resurrection, which really isn't concerned with college basketball....) marketing is improved. Facilities are improving. We're spending money. We're trying to get better football games... things like that.
What the administration can't do is actually play on the field or court or ice. That is where coaches and players have to perform. I agree with Joe above that the facilities and investments should help get better athletes in the door, but if these folks can't get Ws, what's the point?
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Post by bikeman on Jan 30, 2017 12:54:27 GMT -5
I haven't been to a game this year because it's no fun to go alone. Everyone I ask is not interested. It's all because of the PL. I'm sorry. I realize the 10 or so regular posters find it riveting.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 30, 2017 12:58:51 GMT -5
I haven't been to a game this year because it's no fun to go alone. Everyone I ask is not interested. It's all because of the PL. I'm sorry. I realize the 10 or so regular posters find it riveting. It is a shame that your friends only care about HC opponents and not HC. If I were a few hours closer to Worcester, I would be glad to join you at the Hart.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 30, 2017 13:02:02 GMT -5
I guess being a fan of any team or school means being impatient.
Tons of $$$ has been spent on facilities, the biggest gripe here for years because of the belief lesser facilities meant missing potentially better athletes.
We are in the process of completing first class facilities and in my view, it appears we have been recruiting and getting better athletes but they are not here yet until next year. Even then, they probably won't make an immediate difference, it will take time.
No one could successfully argue that we have not upgraded our basketball coach. If the improved facilities don't result in improvement in women's basketball and football soon, I would be surprised if we don't see coaching changes there too.
As for the Hart, no it is not the Ryan Center but better than BU or Harvard, Brown or Yale on campus sites of the ones that come immediately to mind.
The only legitimate gripe, IMHO is perhaps hockey.
But I am sure TPTB have long ago realized they can't please everyone.
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Post by lou on Jan 30, 2017 13:38:54 GMT -5
I haven't been to a game this year because it's no fun to go alone. Everyone I ask is not interested. It's all because of the PL. I'm sorry. I realize the 10 or so regular posters find it riveting. None of your friends interested in UMass? Including Togo bobblehead day!!
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Post by timholycross on Jan 30, 2017 13:53:25 GMT -5
All a matter of opinion...but I would rather HC had gutted the seating and ended up with all chair seats on the sideline. Would have cut the capacity a lot but would have had a much different feel to it. A couple of those places you mentioned aren't bad. At least one (Brown) is a joke on the other hand.
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