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Post by nhteamer on Feb 7, 2017 9:36:04 GMT -5
.....that would pose a simple question. This is a BOARD full of HC fanatics. Yet, even we, I surmise, see interest slipping. Last night I flipped back and forth to the Harvard-Northeastern hockey game; I shocked myself frankly as I have zero interest in either team or school. We are boring. So, among us crazy fanatics is your interest waning? waxing? unchanged?
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 7, 2017 9:58:17 GMT -5
In constructing your poll it should sort responses by age
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Post by nhteamer on Feb 7, 2017 10:00:21 GMT -5
I am class of '76. I have no idea how to post a poll.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 7, 2017 10:15:46 GMT -5
'67 Unchanged, though I do not attend as many games as I did during the RW years, for a variety of reasons. But attending last year's PLC was a major high point
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 7, 2017 10:18:50 GMT -5
Interested, but the product on the floor/field is doing its best to challenge me every year. '08
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Post by lou on Feb 7, 2017 10:37:09 GMT -5
I got an email yesterday from a friend in Florida, she was at HC about the same time as Nht, pretty much lost interest in HC sports when we did not join the BE. She was very surprised that we were on national TV last night, and was going to watch (I haven't heard from her yet regarding our performance.). I watched of course, and will watch again as soon as I rewind the tape in my DVR
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 7, 2017 10:42:49 GMT -5
Why do we need a poll when we're already told every nite by 87/ihoop that no gives a rat's ass about HC sports any longer?
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Post by nhteamer on Feb 7, 2017 11:01:19 GMT -5
Actually, I would be interested because, although most dismiss 87/ihoop, he does touch a nerve. My amazement last night that I was switching to a hockey game when MY HC BBALL TEAM WAS ON TV was real!
Almost everyone on this Board has impressive HC fan bona fides. If among us interest is waning then perhaps our straights are more dire than we previously thought.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 7, 2017 11:33:37 GMT -5
Distressing is that we are mediocre at best now and the future is not rosy.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 7, 2017 11:38:58 GMT -5
I admit that I do practice a lot more colorful language this season than in some past seasons and that is because my expectations have risen after last season's PL championship run. Coupled that with the Pats amazing comeback demonstrates that "our" team always has a chance.
I am not one of those who ever said that Carmody (or Nate Pine) was a "savior" but firmly believe they are vast improvements over their predecessors. I am also not one to downplay the quality or character of this year's seniors because they were Milan Brown recruits. Malachi is a better than solid level PL player and so is Robert when he is not injured and I am very happy that he seems to be playing much better. Matt has come along and while he will not be a banging inside center, we haven't seen one of those wearing purple since RW days. And, last I looked, he was by far our best shooter beyond the arc, something we need. Ant disappoints because he has not come back to his freshman year level and I personally would like to see Benzan at the pg position and Ant spell him and not play the theoretical 2 position. He is no doubt more frustrated with his own play than we are.
The announcers last night repeatedly said that when HC is hitting its shot, our defense and takeaways make us a team that can beat any other PL team. We were not hitting yesterday and had an unusually high number of TOs ourselves. We had 18 to Buck's 19. While PB had 4 turnovers in 31 minutes, one of them clearly was "unforced" when he slipped right in front of the Bucknell bench. Ant had 3 in 19 minutes of play. Interesting last night that we actually had more baskets (27) than Bucknell (25) but unfortunately 13 of theirs were 3s and only 5 of ours were and they got 10 more points from the line than we did and made more than we attempted.
Here's the reason for optimism going forward, Carmody makes no secret that he eschews rebounds with the implicit theory that if the ball goes in the hoop, you don't need to rebound. While I disagree with that, since no one shoots 100% game in and game out, he has recruited in the next class "scorers." I am especially looking forward to a kid whose range is close to midcourt and scores over 30 a game in Austin Butler.
But here's the thing, most of us continue to follow and watch the team because they represent Holy Cross and we know that they are smart and generally have integrity and work hard and don't give up on their teammates, coaching staff, the school and Holy Cross local fans. So we shouldn't give up on them.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 7, 2017 11:54:51 GMT -5
sader70, Well said! I find the current team more interesting than those of our previous two coaches. I believe we have a coach who has us headed in the right direction. I enjoyed watching the game, but was a bit surprised at some of our turnovers (stepping on the baseline driving through the paint under the rim, and another having been simply "taken away" by the young Bison defender who drove for the layup. CLS is coming along and could be a regular contributor by next year. He does have a smooth shooting stroke and his defense seems to be improving. The same might be said for JF about defensive improvement. MP I have no idea about. He could be a plus (if healthy) and I am clearly hoping that he is. MZ is still a question mark. I wish I were able to watch a practice or two to get a clear idea of who these guys are and their possible future contributions. It was nice to see JS on the court (even for the garbage time at the end). He was considered to be a project, but I wonder what one more year can mean for him. It is hard to ignore a 6'10" body in the paint...I imagine. OK, back to ths year.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 7, 2017 15:02:15 GMT -5
Waning.
Some reasons: the on-court product is really bad and it looks like it's about a lot more than just "growing pains" learning Carmody's system, we are going to be worse next year, the Hart Center upgrade is underwhelming, the league is as bad and boring as it's been since before scholarships, there is no "carrot at the end of the stick" thinking about the opportunity to get a win in the NCAA Tournament as it is clear that the coach would not put together a gameplan capable of a big upset, the PL schedule is awful,
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 7, 2017 15:21:48 GMT -5
Waning. Some reasons: the on-court product is really bad and it looks like it's about a lot more than just "growing pains" learning Carmody's system, we are going to be worse next year, the Hart Center upgrade is underwhelming, the league is as bad and boring as it's been since before scholarships, there is no "carrot at the end of the stick" thinking about the opportunity to get a win in the NCAA Tournament as it is clear that the coach would not put together a gameplan capable of a big upset, the PL schedule is awful, With this definitive statement I must conclude that you missed attending or watching or hearing or reading about the PL tournament last season--was it due to an extended coma, a stint in the French Foreign Legion, or maybe a trip to the Amazon?
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 7, 2017 15:31:04 GMT -5
KY, I think you are missing his point. He saw all those wins but because we should have been better than all the other teams, being Holy Cross and our illustrious basketball history, that none of those games really qualify as upsets.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 7, 2017 15:33:14 GMT -5
Waning. Some reasons: the on-court product is really bad and it looks like it's about a lot more than just "growing pains" learning Carmody's system, we are going to be worse next year, the Hart Center upgrade is underwhelming, the league is as bad and boring as it's been since before scholarships, there is no "carrot at the end of the stick" thinking about the opportunity to get a win in the NCAA Tournament as it is clear that the coach would not put together a gameplan capable of a big upset, the PL schedule is awful, With this definitive statement I must conclude that you missed attending or watching or hearing or reading about the PL tournament last season--was it due to an extended coma, a stint in the French Foreign Legion, or maybe a trip to the Amazon? Can neither confirm nor deny if I was in a coma during that period, but I do know that the teams we beat in the PL Tournament were ranked 288-173-254-190. However, I can confirm that I have been alive and awake for the drubbings at the hands of Kansas, Oregon, South Carolina, and Syracuse to the tune of an average margin of defeat around 35 points.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 7, 2017 17:05:07 GMT -5
In other words:
"He saw all those wins but because we should have been better than all the other teams, being Holy Cross and our illustrious basketball history, that none of those games really qualify as upsets."
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 7, 2017 18:17:51 GMT -5
In other words: "He saw all those wins but because we should have been better than all the other teams, being Holy Cross and our illustrious basketball history, that none of those games really qualify as upsets." Partially, but it has more to do with my original statement that referred specifically to the possibility of getting a win in the NCAA Tournament (PIG doesn't count), where we won't be playing teams like the ones we saw in the PL Tournament last year, but rather like the ones that have all beaten us by 30+.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 7, 2017 19:22:48 GMT -5
Since the First Four games are part of the tournament, why - in your opinion, don't they count?
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Post by cfrivals on Feb 7, 2017 19:25:21 GMT -5
Not as interested. Need to see better recruiting. Better atmosphere at the Hart. Slow down chucking of threes from a bunch of bad shooters and no rebounding pave the way for watching WWE Raw those outcomes are predictable as is our style of play!
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Post by hc87 on Feb 7, 2017 22:35:29 GMT -5
Have to say, that my enthusiasm for HC hoop and football is waning....and if my enthusiasm is waning, I can't imagine where that leaves casual HC fans these days.
It's simply not the same school (in terms of athletic enthusiasm for football and basketball) that it was through the 1980s/early 1990s. No more BC football game at the end of the year, a largely boring regular season for basketball etc.....where are today's students supposed to experience that enthusiasm in those sports? No Army football game to go to, no basketball games against PC or BC etc .....both programs largely mired in mediocrity for much of the last 30 years...it's understandable that anyone undah 45 couldn't care less about HC football and basketball.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 8, 2017 6:35:58 GMT -5
Could the universal losing be impacting the student body and causing them to no-show?
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Post by bikeman on Feb 8, 2017 9:59:24 GMT -5
Although I still follow, my interest and spending on HC athletics is at an all time low. I wish it weren't.
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Post by nhteamer on Feb 8, 2017 10:14:50 GMT -5
And these responses my friends are from HC fanatics crazy enough to post on this Board. Extrapolate this to the greater HC community............................the horror!
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 8, 2017 10:24:17 GMT -5
No. As discussed repeatedly here, it has more to do with the composition of the student body which is more female (obviously) and, more importantly, their interests are much more varied with so many more options than to just go to a basketball/football game or go to the library and study. The wired campus makes for an assortment of other amusements and the extensive number of sports teams makes so many more "participants" than "observers." And when they are not participating themselves in games or practices and just observing, they can spend time watching LAX, field hockey, soccer, ice hockey, etc., etc., etc. of their roommates or classmates.
And, yes, some of these students have little interest in athletics and instead focus on helping the Worcester community or practice the fine arts. In the 60's, many did the former but few did the latter.
While "losing" doesn't help the situation, I don't think that is the main reason, just one of many factors.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 8, 2017 10:57:15 GMT -5
No. As discussed repeatedly here, it has more to do with the composition of the student body which is more female (obviously) and, more importantly, their interests are much more varied with so many more options than to just go to a basketball/football game or go to the library and study. The wired campus makes for an assortment of other amusements and the extensive number of sports teams makes so many more "participants" than "observers." And when they are not participating themselves in games or practices and just observing, they can spend time watching LAX, field hockey, soccer, ice hockey, etc., etc., etc. of their roommates or classmates. And, yes, some of these students have little interest in athletics and instead focus on helping the Worcester community or practice the fine arts. In the 60's, many did the former but few did the latter. While "losing" doesn't help the situation, I don't think that is the main reason, just one of many factors. Losing is 100% the primary reason why students don't show up to games. If the team was not playing such a boring brand of basketball and winning games, students would show up. I'll bet you the vast majority of the student population (both male and female) started following the team during the run though the PLC last year, and watched the PIG and Oregon game. However, we followed that up with only one on campus home game in the OOC at which point we were 3-6 and the game was on a Sunday afternoon during the NFL season -- a perfect recipe for no students to show up. We need to build momentum by winning, having some level of excitement with our style of play, and playing games at times where students will show up. The male/female ratio, internet, friends playing on the Field Hockey team, etc. are all just excuses that mask the true problem: winning.
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