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Post by Tom on Apr 6, 2017 7:47:58 GMT -5
"Amherst chose the mascot after voting by alumni, students, faculty, and staff. Close to half of the 9,295 votes were cast for the mammoth, school officials said. The vanquished finalists were the Fighting Poets, Purple and White, Valley Hawks, and Wolves." The school has a mammoth in its natural history collection. Will they also be changing the name of the school? After all, wasn't Lord Jeff's surname Amherst?
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Post by ncaam on Apr 6, 2017 7:52:20 GMT -5
Shouldn't the name of the town be changed as well?
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Post by ncaam on Apr 6, 2017 8:01:07 GMT -5
Worcester
The area was first inhabited by members of the Nipmuc tribe. The native people called the region Quinsigamond and built a settlement on Pakachoag Hill in Auburn. In 1673 English settlers John Eliot and Daniel Gookin led an expedition to Quinsigamond to establish a new Christian Indian "praying town" and identify a new location for an English settlement. On July 13, 1674, Gookin obtained a deed to eight square miles of land in Quinsigamond from the Nipmuc people and English traders and settlers began to inhabit the region.
In 1675, King Philip's War broke out throughout New England with the Nipmuc Indians coming to the aid of Indian leader King Philip. The English settlers completely abandoned the Quinsigamond area and the empty buildings were burned by the Indian forces. The town was again abandoned during Queen Anne's War in 1702.[6] Finally in 1713, Worcester was permanently resettled for a third time by Jonas Rice.[7] Named after the city of Worcester, England, the town was incorporated on June 14, 1722.[8] On April 2, 1731, Worcester was chosen as the county seat of the newly founded Worcester County government. Between 1755 and 1758, future U.S. president John Adams worked as a schoolteacher and studied law in Worcester.
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Post by sarasota on Apr 6, 2017 12:28:45 GMT -5
"The Nipmucs" shortened version "The Nips" In a liquor store I once heard a landscaper say on a blazing hot day, "This is a two nip day." Motto: "Why but the bottle when a nip will do." "We are.....Nip.....Mucs!"
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 6, 2017 14:02:36 GMT -5
NipMucs for Crusader! Who could object? ____________________________ UMass Amherst has looked into Lord Jeffrey's actions. UMass states that Amherst college was named after the town, and the town was named for Lord Jeffrey. www.umass.edu/legal/derrico/amherst/lord_jeff.html
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Post by beaven302 on Apr 6, 2017 14:30:16 GMT -5
Mammoths? Maybe Amherst should now schedule Tufts whose teams are known as the Jumbos and are named after the Barnum circus elephant who was killed in 1885 and whose hide was destroyed by fire at Tufts in 1975. Any Tufts-Amherst athletic contests could be called the battle of the pachyderms..
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Post by WCHC Sports on Apr 6, 2017 15:12:45 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Apr 6, 2017 16:49:22 GMT -5
Puhlease
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Post by hcpride on Apr 6, 2017 19:37:13 GMT -5
Just a matter of time before some snowflake, already triggered to incoherence by the newspaper name and school mascot, insists the name "Holy Cross' itself smacks of religious intolerance and frightening medieval imagery.
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Post by beaven302 on Apr 6, 2017 23:25:06 GMT -5
The most telling line in this foolish article were the words, "from my vague remembrance of history class." Perhaps, the student author ought to first learn some real history before wringing her hands about how awful the historical Crusaders were.
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Post by sarasota on Apr 7, 2017 2:46:35 GMT -5
“Crossmen” “Crosswomen” Logo: a man and a woman standing side by side with a large Cross behind them in the middle. Do it.
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Post by Tom on Apr 7, 2017 7:56:21 GMT -5
Mammoths? Maybe Amherst should now schedule Tufts whose teams are known as the Jumbos and are named after the Barnum circus elephant who was killed in 1885 and whose hide was destroyed by fire at Tufts in 1975. Any Tufts-Amherst athletic contests could be called the battle of the pachyderms.. Actually, both Tufts and Amherst play in the NESCAC and face each other regularly
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 7, 2017 15:08:05 GMT -5
Will it never stop?
Harvard wants to change a line in its alma mater (written in 1811), the second verse.
"Farewell! be thy destinies onward and bright! To thy children the lesson still give, With freedom to think, and with patience to bear, And for Right ever bravely to live. Let not moss-covered Error moor thee at its side, As the world on Truth’s current glides by; Be the herald of Light, and the bearer of Love, Till the stock of the Puritans die."
I'll let you guess the offensive / offending line.
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 7, 2017 15:20:58 GMT -5
I'll take a stab at it ... ... With freedom to think? We won't be having any of that at Harvard.
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Post by beaven302 on Apr 7, 2017 17:17:41 GMT -5
Here's the link to the NYT article on this subject for those who wish to read more details in this latest exercise in campus absurdity. www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/us/harvard-alma-mater-contest.html Frankly, if certain people in Cambridge find the reference to the Puritans in its alma mater "unsettling," they might want to go all out and change the name of the school. After all, John Harvard almost certainly didn't believe in "diversity" or "inclusiveness." In fact, as a man of his times, he probably had a low opinion of Papists and others who didn't believe in the Puritan brand of Christianity, and almost certainly didn't believe in racial equality. Like most Bay Colony residents he most likely had a low opinion of Native Americans, most notably the Pequots, whom his fellow Puritan colonists were busy massacring around the time of his death.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 8, 2017 5:04:43 GMT -5
Here's the link to the NYT article on this subject for those who wish to read more details in this latest exercise in campus absurdity. www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/us/harvard-alma-mater-contest.html Frankly, if certain people in Cambridge find the reference to the Puritans in its alma mater "unsettling," they might want to go all out and change the name of the school. After all, John Harvard almost certainly didn't believe in "diversity" or "inclusiveness." In fact, as a man of his times, he probably had a low opinion of Papists and others who didn't believe in the Puritan brand of Christianity, and almost certainly didn't believe in racial equality. Like most Bay Colony residents he most likely had a low opinion of Native Americans, most notably the Pequots, whom his fellow Puritan colonists were busy massacring around the time of his death. At the risk of implying the remainder of the Harvard article is rational, here is a particularly inane quote: Would someone please remind the snowflakes up in Cambridge that 'Veritas' is indeed Latin and that Latin was the language of the Roman Empire and that many of these Latin-speaking Romans owned slaves. Therefore, the use of Latin is an implicit - if not explicit - endorsement of slavery. Time to change the 'unsettling' use of slave owner language along with the alma mater and the name of the college.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 8, 2017 7:07:31 GMT -5
I will cut Harvard some slack. www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/harvard-s-jewish-problemAnd while we're on the subject, I have at least two distant relatives, probably cousins off my direct ancestral line, who went on the Third Crusade with Richard I (IIRC, the first crusade in which the Templar cross was allowed.) One, Alan de Neville, was excommunicated by Thomas a Becket, The excommunication was lifted by the Bishop of London, after Alan joined the crusade and provided that on his way, Alan receive his penance directly from the Pope. The archbishop was supposedly not pleased. And an ancestor in my direct line helped introduce feudalism to Ireland, after King Henry II carved up the country. And speaking for my ancestor, I don't consider serfs to be slaves. So there!
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 8, 2017 10:19:30 GMT -5
The issue is hardly new. In Marquand's The Late George Apley the title character gets a letter from a relative in Boston saying: "You have your Jews and we have our Irish and we must bear our burdens gracefully." Perhaps his relative was a Harvard grad.
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Post by sarasota on Apr 8, 2017 12:29:15 GMT -5
My understanding of "till the stock of the Puritans die" is an allusion to the stocks Puritans would put dissidents in as punishment. That quoted verse is a wonderful plea for rationalism, secularism and is perfectly in line with the meaning of Harvard's motto "Veritas." That verse was written in 1811, long after the Puritans were just a matter of History. "Veritas" vs. "In Hoc Signo Vinces." What a profound difference. For once it really does say it all.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 8, 2017 13:35:15 GMT -5
Those who have watched Harvard's conduct in D1 sports know that, in their case, "Veritas" does not always apply.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 8, 2017 14:19:39 GMT -5
In a battle of mottos "in Hoc Signo Vinces" would absolutely pummel "Veritas"
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 8, 2017 14:20:31 GMT -5
"...my high school mascot was a little boy holding a gun standing next to a little girl holding a flower." Is that stupidity (would anything like that sexist nonsense be better than a Crusader?) what laid the groundwork for this editorial? Or, was it that the writer has only a "vague remembrance" of history class? After all, it is said that those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat its mistakes. In either case, I find both the editorial and the topic much ado about nothing, IMO.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 8, 2017 16:53:03 GMT -5
"...my high school mascot was a little boy holding a gun standing next to a little girl holding a flower." Is that stupidity (would anything like that sexist nonsense be better than a Crusader?) what laid the groundwork for this editorial? Or, was it that the writer has only a "vague remembrance" of history class? After all, it is said that those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat its mistakes. In either case, I find both the editorial and the topic much ado about nothing, IMO. ......"Yet the upcoming talk, “The Crusades and Crusaders: History and Historiography,” to be given by Holy Cross alumnus Kevin Madigan ’82, along with the slow disappearance of the purple-armored knight from college clothing and apparel." Reviews of Dr, Madigan's latest book on Amazon. www.amazon.com/Medieval-Christianity-History-Kevin-Madigan/dp/0300216777_____________________________ And for the sake of historical accuracy, this is not a crusader helmet This is a crusader helmet as might have been worn by the Templars. The article in the Crusader suggests a prospective, pernicious route (at least to the traditionalists) that might be followed by the college. Retain the name, but ditch the knight. And when the old farts have died off........
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Post by breezy on Apr 8, 2017 17:09:33 GMT -5
More print space in this week's edition of The Crusader addressing the name change issue. You can view articles online here: theholycrosscrusader.com/
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Post by beaven302 on Apr 8, 2017 22:33:53 GMT -5
PP's post is totally correct. The helmet worn by the current crusader mascot is most decidedly not a crusader helmet. Before the "great helm," which he posted, crusaders would have used the less protective nasal helmet, which was essentially a metal bowl with a nasal guard. The mascot is wearing a stylized version of a jousting helmet, which was never worn in combat. In short, the crusader mascot is just a cartoonish knight in armor.
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