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Post by hchoops on Apr 5, 2017 15:06:07 GMT -5
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Post by bison137 on Apr 5, 2017 16:12:26 GMT -5
Sad.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 5, 2017 17:23:48 GMT -5
One of Bob Hurley's first wins was one of my first losses
A fine man.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 5, 2017 18:38:59 GMT -5
He is indeed a fine man, an excellent coach and a mentor whose leadership benefited countless students. Word is the school will be replaced by luxury condos. It is a sad trade-off.  |
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Post by sarasota on Apr 6, 2017 4:37:21 GMT -5
Yet the failed public monopoly schools remain. This sad ending adds some perspective to the achievements of nearby St. Benedicts Prep in Newark, which itself closed for one year in 1972. It's been the Benedictine Monks of Newark Abbey who have provided the foundation for Benedict's survival and prosperity.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 6, 2017 8:35:16 GMT -5
St Anthony's, like St Benedict's, had all of its graduates go to college...many on scholarship. Losing St Anthony's is a sad blow to NJ (even if some do not yet see it - the community that the school and Bob Hurley served knows what has been lost).
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 6, 2017 9:36:10 GMT -5
As people continue to flee depressed cities for leafy suburbs, inner-city private schools will unfortunately continue to struggle to survive. It's very sad, it's going to get worse, and a blow to good students these cities whose families value education.
And to expand on 'sota's point, public schools that are an absolute mess have less impetus to provide a better educational experience when local private schools close.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 6, 2017 11:17:23 GMT -5
Yes, more overcrowded classes should motivate teachers to do a better job.  This is a case where vouchers might have saved a fine school. |
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Post by nhteamer on Apr 6, 2017 11:22:01 GMT -5
the NYTs thinks vouchers are a bad idea. All the editors kids go to private school but they want everyone else's to go to failed public schoo;s
Hypocrisy 101
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 6, 2017 11:31:32 GMT -5
The term "failed public schools" is a bit overused, especially by right wing opponents of public schools. Most of the schools where I worked, or those I visited to supervise counseling interns, were succeeding quite nicely. There were a few I would label "failing" schools (saying "failed" seems to imply they cannot be saved). They are typically inner-city schools - where parents are often unable to protest what is happening to their children. What typically is "failing" is often a staff trying to work with students while getting little or no parent support and insufficient funding. There are also "failing" charter/private schools where money was misallocated so that it (and what it was intended to provide) never reached the students. St Anthony's was a private school that simply could not draw enough paying students and financial. Clearly, they had the staff and paint support needed. There are public schools in inner-city areas where the school is the high point of the day for students. Why does that work...motivated educators with parent support. This is a serious issue that requires more than platitudes if it is to be addressed. Some may see St Anthony's as simply another "failed school." That is tragic.
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Post by nhteamer on Apr 6, 2017 17:11:50 GMT -5
Fact: most rich liberals send their children to private schools.
Fact: most rich liberals support politicians who vote against giving those without means the ability to go to other than their assigned government school.
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Post by JRGNYR on Apr 6, 2017 17:30:29 GMT -5
As people continue to flee depressed cities for leafy suburbs, inner-city private schools will unfortunately continue to struggle to survive. It's very sad, it's going to get worse, and a blow to good students these cities whose families value education. And to expand on 'sota's point, public schools that are an absolute mess have less impetus to provide a better educational experience when local private schools close. I don't necessarily disagree with the point you're making, but I just want to add that recent articles on NJ.com cited population shifts that showed people were generally leaving the suburbs for the more urban areas, at least in northern NJ. This has generally been the case since 2008-09 when the mortgage bubble burst and the housing market collapsed. I don't have the articles at my fingertips but I'll try to dig them up and post the links when I have a moment. No doubt that inner-city private schools are struggling though. I think that's especially true at those with a religious affiliation. But if the population shifts in NJ are happening as the articles seemed to point out, there are other underlying factors at work than just where people are living nowadays. |
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 6, 2017 18:05:52 GMT -5
We have lost Power Memorial and now St Anthony's. St. Patrick's (one of the state's best hoop programs) continues as a charter school - but had to drop the "Saint". It is now simply "Patrick Academy" in Elizabeth, NJ.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 6, 2017 18:17:33 GMT -5
As people continue to flee depressed cities for leafy suburbs, inner-city private schools will unfortunately continue to struggle to survive. It's very sad, it's going to get worse, and a blow to good students these cities whose families value education. And to expand on 'sota's point, public schools that are an absolute mess have less impetus to provide a better educational experience when local private schools close. I don't necessarily disagree with the point you're making, but I just want to add that recent articles on NJ.com cited population shifts that showed people were generally leaving the suburbs for the more urban areas, at least in northern NJ. This has generally been the case since 2008-09 when the mortgage bubble burst and the housing market collapsed. I don't have the articles at my fingertips but I'll try to dig them up and post the links when I have a moment. No doubt that inner-city private schools are struggling though. I think that's especially true at those with a religious affiliation. But if the population shifts in NJ are happening as the articles seemed to point out, there are other underlying factors at work than just where people are living nowadays. I should have been more clear JRG by stating families are leaving inner-cities. Singles and childless 20-something's are indeed moving into cities, They just leave when their family grows. |
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Post by JRGNYR on Apr 7, 2017 7:14:18 GMT -5
I don't necessarily disagree with the point you're making, but I just want to add that recent articles on NJ.com cited population shifts that showed people were generally leaving the suburbs for the more urban areas, at least in northern NJ. This has generally been the case since 2008-09 when the mortgage bubble burst and the housing market collapsed. I don't have the articles at my fingertips but I'll try to dig them up and post the links when I have a moment. No doubt that inner-city private schools are struggling though. I think that's especially true at those with a religious affiliation. But if the population shifts in NJ are happening as the articles seemed to point out, there are other underlying factors at work than just where people are living nowadays. I should have been more clear JRG by stating families are leaving inner-cities. Singles and childless 20-something's are indeed moving into cities, They just leave when their family grows. Fair point and I'm not sure that the articles went into specifics about the demographics of the populations moving in and out of the cities but your assessment is spot on |
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Post by sarasota on Apr 7, 2017 8:28:12 GMT -5
They leave cities when they have kids to escape the city (public) school system.
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Post by hcross22 on Apr 7, 2017 8:31:19 GMT -5
As people continue to flee depressed cities for leafy suburbs, inner-city private schools will unfortunately continue to struggle to survive. It's very sad, it's going to get worse, and a blow to good students these cities whose families value education. And to expand on 'sota's point, public schools that are an absolute mess have less impetus to provide a better educational experience when local private schools close. I don't necessarily disagree with the point you're making, but I just want to add that recent articles on NJ.com cited population shifts that showed people were generally leaving the suburbs for the more urban areas, at least in northern NJ. This has generally been the case since 2008-09 when the mortgage bubble burst and the housing market collapsed. I don't have the articles at my fingertips but I'll try to dig them up and post the links when I have a moment. No doubt that inner-city private schools are struggling though. I think that's especially true at those with a religious affiliation. But if the population shifts in NJ are happening as the articles seemed to point out, there are other underlying factors at work than just where people are living nowadays. Nobody is leaving the leafy suburbs of Northern New Jersey, for Jersey City. Nobody. |
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 7, 2017 9:09:59 GMT -5
Actually there is a growing market for luxury condos in Jersey City. People are trying to get in ahead of the boom - as happened n Hoboken a few years ago. A lot of those folks are coming from North Jersey.
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Post by hc87 on Apr 7, 2017 22:56:15 GMT -5
Young singles/couples are moving into cities, not families with kids....public education depends very much on what state you're from....it's tremendous in the Northeast mostly, awful in the South in general.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 8, 2017 10:03:46 GMT -5
Governor Christie has taken saving St Anthony's as one of his pet causes. It looks impossible, but perhaps he can get it done...if this is for real and not just a headline grabber.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 8, 2017 10:11:40 GMT -5
Young singles/couples are moving into cities, not families with kids....public education depends very much on what state you're from....it's tremendous in the Northeast mostly, awful in the South in general. A funny thing..young couples often have kids. I agree about regional differences in public schools. For many years, Florida was said to have the worse (battling with Mississippi for the bottom rung. The FL schools have improved greatly in the last decade. TOP STATES in one recent poll: Massachusetts Maryland New Jersey New Hampshire Vermont Minnesota Florida Pennsylvania Washington Colorado Virginia New York (a typical top 5 state, there has been a drop in the last 5 years) |
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Post by hchoops on Apr 8, 2017 10:27:08 GMT -5
Where did this ranking originate ?
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 8, 2017 10:34:06 GMT -5
I can't remember where I got that list (but it was for 2016). Here is one from reference.com showing a walletHub study from 2014:
States with the top-rated schools included
New Jersey,
Massachusetts,
Vermont,
New Hampshire,
Kansas
Colorado.
The schools were ranked by a WalletHub study that ranked schools based on student-teacher ratios, test scores, dropout rates and school safety rates, among other factors.
Clearly, NJ gets too high a rating, given the annual funding crisis under Christie.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 8, 2017 10:43:43 GMT -5
USNews.com/education published a rating of all high schools in April 2016. It has a very different list (using AP courses as one criteria):
Maryland
Connecticut
California
Florida
Massachusetts
Maine
Utah
Rhode Island
New York
Ohio
Vermont
Virginia
New Hampshire
New Jersey
Delaware...
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 8, 2017 10:46:20 GMT -5
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Saturday, April 8, 2017, 12:54 AM
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is trying to keep the streets of Jersey City more congested on school days.
The republican wants to be the guardian angel of the soon to be closed St. Anthony's high school and has a plan to save it that wouldn't cost him or the state a dime.
Appearing Friday on WFAN's "Boomer and Carton" show, Christie challenged the commissioners of the NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL to each cut a $125,000 check to the high school known for its legendary boys basketball program that hall of famer Bob Hurley leads.
Chris Christie wants to be the guardian angel St. Anthony's. (JULIO CORTEZ/AP)
"There's got to be a wealthy person in the New York-New Jersey area who would write a half-a-million-dollar check to St. Anthony's to help to endow that place, and I'm asking somebody who's out there to do that because it's an extraordinary place," Christie said
"If the commissioners of the four major sports – all headquartered in New York – if Bettman and Silver and Manfred and Goodell all got on a phone call today with each other and said, 'We'll kick in a hundred-and-a-quarter each,' it's done. That's a great deal."
Hurley has said the school needs $500,000 in the bank and nearly $2 million to cover debts. He announced this week the institution will close in June because of declining attendance and rising costs. St. Anthony's has won 28 New Jersey state titles and four national championships. It has sent more than 150 players to Division I basketball programs.
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