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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 20, 2017 19:58:14 GMT -5
Just stumbled upon this....from these highlights, you would have thought it was a blowout, but it was actually a very competitive game most of the way. Walter Brown with a huge first half (unfortunately, you won't see it here). Cal had a pretty talented squad.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 20, 2017 20:01:00 GMT -5
oh wow.....just found the HC-Colgate (with Foyle) PL final from that year....
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 20, 2017 20:07:12 GMT -5
Shareef Abdur Rahim and Tony Gonzalez were both on that Cal team, as way Ed Gray whose off the court troubles derailed an NBA career. Tremaine Fowlkes was also on that team. They went to the NCAA Tournament that year.
Three future NBA players and the second best tight end to ever play football on that squad. Our guys hung tough!
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Post by hchoops on Jul 20, 2017 20:15:59 GMT -5
Shareef's son is a big time soph prospect at Seton Hall Prep
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 20, 2017 20:16:30 GMT -5
Speaking of stuff like this, anyone know where one could find past NCAA Tournament games against Kentucky, Kansas, and Marquette? I only ask because I enjoy torturing myself.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 20, 2017 20:26:47 GMT -5
Shareef Abdur Rahim and Tony Gonzalez were both on that Cal team, as way Ed Gray whose off the court troubles derailed an NBA career. Tremaine Fowlkes was also on that team. They went to the NCAA Tournament that year.
Three future NBA players and the second best tight end to ever play football on that squad. Our guys hung tough! *Vacated due to Todd Bozeman's shenanigns |
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Post by Ray on Jul 20, 2017 22:27:44 GMT -5
oh wow.....just found the HC-Colgate (with Foyle) PL final from that year.... Avert your eyes! Seriously, burn this video. Yuck. |
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Post by dadominate on Jul 20, 2017 22:39:00 GMT -5
Great find, NAD! The 95-96 HC team was solid (respectable performance against Cal and a nice run to the PL championship game) and Walter Brown was a heck of a player. Things might have been different for Raynor had he not transferred, but ultimately the tough years that followed led to our bringing RW back to HC. Brown was also one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet.
P.S. - Nice to see crossports' own big Jon Kerr in those highlights!
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Post by purplenurple on Jul 21, 2017 9:26:34 GMT -5
I don't know much about Walter Brown, but why did he transfer? Scholarship issues? Saw the writing on the wall post-scholarship?
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jul 21, 2017 10:40:26 GMT -5
I watched some of these videos and was just thinking about Walter Brown who had the potential to be a real Superstar for us. I think the dysfunction of the Raynor years was part of it. I was trying to remember how good he was at Boston University does anybody remember what his stats ended up like there?
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Post by ncaam on Jul 21, 2017 10:47:46 GMT -5
Google remembers
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Post by bison137 on Jul 21, 2017 10:59:22 GMT -5
oh wow.....just found the HC-Colgate (with Foyle) PL final from that year.... That might have been the last time there was a big crowd in Cotterell Court (except for when the UConn women's team played there two years ago). |
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Post by dadominate on Jul 21, 2017 11:15:40 GMT -5
so do aau friends, fwiw imho brown had a couple of good seasons at bu, although not quite as good as his sophomore year (the 95-96 season) at hc. he played alongside duke transfer joey beard. brown was a versatile player who could really slash and had a decent midrange game. not completely sure the true reason why he transferred to bu, but he was from boston, thought he had a better opportunity at bu, and used to joke that he was going to play in a gym named after him (walter brown arena at bu). although i think the bu basketball team had stopped playing in walter brown arena a few years before our walter brown transferred there. |
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Post by Ray on Jul 21, 2017 15:08:42 GMT -5
oh wow.....just found the HC-Colgate (with Foyle) PL final from that year.... OK, just watched a bit of this. Forgot that we were in it for a half, before we stopped being able to put the ball in the basket. Amazing that Jack Bruen died less than two years later. |
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Post by hchoops on Jul 21, 2017 15:12:03 GMT -5
Jack Bruen played for Jack Donohue at Power Memorial with Lew Alcindor.
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Post by sarasota on Jul 21, 2017 19:02:27 GMT -5
Hoops- You are a true font. I mean that as a compliment.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 23, 2017 20:41:38 GMT -5
I don't know much about Walter Brown, but why did he transfer? Scholarship issues? Saw the writing on the wall post-scholarship? He was a non-scholarship player (or, should I say, need-based). Everyone entering HC starting in 1991 was (and he came in 2-3 years after that). There was the claim that the reason was $ in so far as he and his family had to pay something (not knowing a single thing about his family life I have no idea how much) versus going to BU for nothing. If true he did HC a big favor...when your one of your best players and captain leaves for that reason, it was time to re-evaluate scholarships, which HC soon did. |
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Post by Ray on Jul 23, 2017 21:01:31 GMT -5
If true he did HC a big favor...when your one of your best players and captain leaves for that reason, it was time to re-evaluate scholarships, which HC soon did. I think this is a fantastic point. By the time his soph year was over, Brown looked like he was positioned for a junior-senior run not dissimilar from what Rob Feaster had accomplished just a few years earlier. If he had done that, and kept the program afloat in those years, it could well have propped up the non-schollie experiment for a while longer. His transfer was a gut punch at the time, but may have changed the course of the scholarship debate. Thought exercise: assign percentages of blame for our struggles in the mid-late 1990s to the scholarship decision (after all, the rest of the league didn't have them either) vs. Vaas/Raynor. |
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Post by hchoops on Jul 23, 2017 21:08:50 GMT -5
We were at a bigger disadvantage than most of the other PL schools since we had previously given scholarships for many years and had to recruit different kimds of players and schools than before.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 24, 2017 17:36:06 GMT -5
The HC Basketball Society appears to have quite a few tapes of games out on Youtube, although some aren't of the greatest quality. Here is a game at William & Mary back in the 94-95 season:
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 24, 2017 18:07:19 GMT -5
Now here's something the locals in particular might get a kick out of!
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