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Post by sarasota on May 21, 2016 13:29:25 GMT -5
ADA: good example of government overkill. I can't begin to imagine ADA's cost to the Economy and to tax payers as well as the foregone improvement for the rest of us in order to avoid ADA cost--all for the benefit of what percentage of the population? If a town wants to build a ramp onto its town library, let them decide and let the town's folks pay for it. It's THEIR library. If a college wants to build a ramp onto its stadium, let the college decide and let the college pay for it. It's THEIR stadium. The concept of owned property is gradually being swallowed up by the Leviathan that is Government.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 21, 2016 14:22:47 GMT -5
At Fitton currently, there is very limited accommodation for ADA
The ADA issues with Fitton go 1.) to the stairs by which one accesses the seats, and 2.) the seating and seating rows.
In the reconstructed Hart, ADA compliance will be achieved by wheelchair positions at the mezzanine level of the court; wheelchair positions on the NW side of the rink IIRC, and wheelchair positions in the spectator area of the pool.
As it is, the rink itself is not being renovated / expanded, and major rehab of the pool was dome several years ago. The scale of the Hart renovation triggered bringing the other two venues into ADA compliance.
Partly because of ADA, there will now be two passenger elevators at the Hart.
Finally, after watching the hobbled and gimpy-legged procession of Super Bowl MVPs a few months back, I expect there will be many former athletes who will welcome this accommodation.
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Post by sarasota on May 21, 2016 15:34:55 GMT -5
There already is a small elevator that can lift a wheelchair onto the visitor stands. I can just imagine to bring the whole structure into compliance we probably would have to hire an ADA specialist lawyer at $350/hr and wade through 50 millions pages of rules. This is how Government preys on us, controls us.
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Post by Ray on May 22, 2016 13:59:13 GMT -5
Why don't you leave your anti-government rants to the General Discussion board?
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Post by sarasota on May 22, 2016 14:10:51 GMT -5
Ray- My posts above have not been directed at any person, yet your post is a personal attack on me. You have needlessly created a hostile environment.
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Post by HC92 on May 22, 2016 15:58:28 GMT -5
rickii, looking at the rest of the campus in Google satellite, lots of cars in the lots, so the imagery is likely about this time in May. The dead spots are possibly crab grass or other annual grass that died off. In other years, with commencement, you couldn't reseed until early June, which is late. So the new grass likely would get torn up during the season. Which reminds me, with Fitton under construction, where is graduation this year....or was it already held ? DCU.
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Post by ts1970 on May 22, 2016 20:17:37 GMT -5
Finals ended on Wednesday, May 18. I believe graduation is Friday, May 27 at the DCU Center as pointed out above by 92.
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Post by Chu Chu on May 23, 2016 18:32:52 GMT -5
ADA: good example of government overkill. I can't begin to imagine ADA's cost to the Economy and to tax payers as well as the foregone improvement for the rest of us in order to avoid ADA cost--all for the benefit of what percentage of the population? If a town wants to build a ramp onto its town library, let them decide and let the town's folks pay for it. It's THEIR library. If a college wants to build a ramp onto its stadium, let the college decide and let the college pay for it. It's THEIR stadium. The concept of owned property is gradually being swallowed up by the Leviathan that is Government. If you or a loved one become disabled, you may begin to understand the wisdom of gradually transforming our public places into areas where all can come and participate.
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Post by sarasota on May 23, 2016 19:23:12 GMT -5
I understand the difference between voluntary and mandatory. Many laws are good, but they come encrusted with loads of regs, rules, etc. that are not necessary and make them extraordinarily expensive.
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Post by rickii on May 24, 2016 13:23:28 GMT -5
phreak -
Comparing BC's Alumni with HC's Fitton....
AIR, before FieldTurf BC had the old AstroTurf. Alumni's natural grass field didn't drain well at all and puddling was too often present during games. Like Fitton, Alumni is situated on the lowest part of campus. As you've shown, Fitton is in/near a flood zone due to close proximity of the 3rd River (Blackstone). My question for you is, due to Alumni's proximity to the reservoir, is that maybe also an official flood zone ? If so, wonder what if any remedies BC used to proceed with the latest FieldTurf installation ( i.e., warranty factor ) a few years ago. BTW, I believe Alumni STILL drains poorly on heavy rain days.
thanks.
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Post by sarasota on May 24, 2016 16:01:10 GMT -5
No artificial turf? No permanent lights? All we get are excuses, excuses, excuses. It's a good thing that decades ago, with the help of Atty. Edw. Hanify, HC knew what it wanted as regards Fitton, fought for what it wanted, and got what it wanted. Today, with an endowment eight times (?) larger than we had then, we have to wait for an alum to sell his wine collection before we get things done.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 24, 2016 16:58:07 GMT -5
Real grass is better--pick other fights
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Post by hcgrad94 on May 24, 2016 17:37:42 GMT -5
No artificial turf? No permanent lights? All we get are excuses, excuses, excuses. It's a good thing that decades ago, with the help of Atty. Edw. Hanify, HC knew what it wanted as regards Fitton, fought for what it wanted, and got what it wanted. Today, with an endowment eight times (?) larger than we had then, we have to wait for an alum to sell his wine collection before we get things done. Misplaced anger is a sad thing to observe.
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Post by alum on May 24, 2016 21:38:58 GMT -5
Is it just me, or do the ADA requirements (for "reasonable" accommodation) seem to be delaying actually doing anything to help people with disabilities? If one improvement means ALL must now come up to code, but ignoring everything things can continue as is, it would seem only to hinder actually addressing equal access. It is just you. The ADA has been an overwhelming success. Bravo to President Bush (41) and Senator Harkin for getting it done. Can you believe that it has been 25 years?
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Post by sarasota on May 24, 2016 22:56:08 GMT -5
Grass is better for the players. Artificial is better for the fans. Decide whom you want to cater to.
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Post by CHC8485 on May 25, 2016 5:14:53 GMT -5
They have. As much as possible they will do what is best for the student-athletes before what is best for the fans.
As I said in the Hart Canter renovation thread, look at what they are doing and listen to what they are saying. The primary driver in all the changes is improving the student athlete experience.
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Post by sarasota on May 25, 2016 5:32:05 GMT -5
I'm sure our players would love to play in front of larger crowds and experience the excitement of night games at Fitton.
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Post by rgs318 on May 25, 2016 5:44:16 GMT -5
Is it just me, or do the ADA requirements (for "reasonable" accommodation) seem to be delaying actually doing anything to help people with disabilities? If one improvement means ALL must now come up to code, but ignoring everything things can continue as is, it would seem only to hinder actually addressing equal access. It is just you. The ADA has been an overwhelming success. Bravo to President Bush (41) and Senator Harkin for getting it done. Can you believe that it has been 25 years? Alum, You seem to have not understood my post. The ADA is clearly a mixed blessing and is certainly not an overwhelming success. After all, it can simply be ignored with things left as they are as long as nothing is "improved" in a facility. The "all or nothing" interpretation of ADA does seem to be holding back some much needed improvements for those dealing with disabilities.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 25, 2016 5:47:24 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on May 25, 2016 8:18:47 GMT -5
I'm sure our players would love to play in front of larger crowds and experience the excitement of night games at Fitton. Agreed but that has little or nothing to do with the playing surface choice in this case.
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Post by sarasota on May 25, 2016 9:28:35 GMT -5
crucis1- Did you read the article you linked? Little of it has relevance to HC's situation. They're talking about games starting AFTER 7PM.
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Post by hc87 on May 27, 2016 7:34:07 GMT -5
Small sample set this year with only 4 games at Fitton....but I would make the Bucknell game a night kickoff this year.
These would be my ideal kickoff times if I ran the world:
Dartmouth (Homecoming) 9/24 1 or 1:30 Bucknell 10/8 7 Harvard 10/15 3:30 Lehigh 10/22 (Family Weekend) 1 or 1:30
In general, I think noon or 12:30 kickoffs are too early for a variety of reasons we've discussed here (family obligations, travel time for our far-flung fans/alums from around NE, NY and NJ etc etc)....I realize this can be "out of our hands" sometimes with TV setting the time, but I'd keep these to a minimum.
Homecoming and Family Weekend games should be 1 or 1:30 kickoffs. A good crowd is always baked in for these games and it's hard to beat football at this time of the day during the Fall.
Most other games at Fitton should be 3:30 or 7 kickoffs. This year, I believe the Harvard game at 3:30 (or 4 ) would draw a better crowd than a 1 kickoff. It would give people the time to get things done during the day and would be the marquee athletic event in Central Mass at that time on that Saturday. The Bucknell game should be a 7:00 kickoff. Bucknell really doesn't travel anyway, mostly indifference locally for that game imo....a night kickoff would gin up some interest in that contest imo.
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Post by hchoops on May 27, 2016 10:09:42 GMT -5
Wouldn't we have to rent lights for the 3:30 kickoff in mid-October ?
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Post by hc87 on May 27, 2016 13:11:01 GMT -5
Wouldn't we have to rent lights for the 3:30 kickoff in mid-October ? Yup...but let's face it, even with a winning prgram, it's going to be tough to draw crowds approaching 10K or more on a regulah basis at Fitton these days with kickoffs exclusively at 12 or 1 'clock. I'll leave it to the cost-benefit analysts here but I think even temporary lighting helps the program (and the school) out in terms of relevance/brand etc etc
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Post by gks on May 27, 2016 14:09:04 GMT -5
People in Central Mass still talk about the UMass game from years past. It was a great event. Harvard at night would bring same vibe. Lights...no brainer.
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