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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 21, 2017 16:50:28 GMT -5
www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20777856/lawyer-says-aaron-hernandez-had-advanced-stages-cteA common manifestations of CTE is poor impulse control. As he only played three years with the Patriots, he probably had CTE when he played for University of Florida. But we know who has the deeper pockets. It may only take one or two of these case to be successfully filed against a college or university, and the cost of insurance will reach a level that becomes unaffordable for many institutions. Same goes for ice hockey. . Weight (mass) and speed (velocity) determine the amount of kinetic energy. The bigger and faster you are, the more kinetic energy you have compared to a slower and slimmer person. .
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Post by HC92 on Sept 21, 2017 17:21:52 GMT -5
Be careful believing what is said by a plaintiff's attorney during a press conference. And how many 27-year-old brains have they tested for CFE to support the claim that it's one of the worst cases ever in a brain that age? Is it also one of the best results because it was, for example, second out of three?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 21, 2017 17:24:05 GMT -5
One need not be Nostradmus to predict with confidence that the NFL will be hit with a flurry of lawsuits as more and more information comes out about concussions.................
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 21, 2017 17:46:39 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Sept 21, 2017 18:02:19 GMT -5
What was Hernandez' impulse control before he matriculated at UF?
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Post by Tom on Sept 22, 2017 8:17:08 GMT -5
If you're having problems with impulse control, shouldn't you kill people in the night club instead of waiting until later
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 22, 2017 10:06:25 GMT -5
If you're having problems with impulse control, shouldn't you kill people in the night club instead of waiting until later Not if you'd be recognized and sitting on a contract in the eight figures. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4550089/Hernandez was 20 when drafted by the Patriots. Only played three seasons with Gators before declaring himself eligible. Played three seasons prior to the off-season shooting. That is a short career compared to other CTE victims.
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Post by gks on Sept 22, 2017 11:09:07 GMT -5
Why isn't his despicable fiance suing UFlorida and Bristol High School?
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Post by rf1 on Sept 22, 2017 13:39:02 GMT -5
Hernandez played JUST three seasons for the NE Patriots in the NFL. The majority of his football playing was done BEFORE. He played football for three seasons at Florida and likely that or more in high school. He also likely played additional years in youth leagues. If the sport of football created his CTE, it certainly has to have started back well before 2010 when he played his first game for the Pats.
It would seem that his fiance and lawyers are however going after only the the NFL and Patriots because they have the money. I however think it will e a burden for them to prove it was just those three years that caused his CTE.
I am in agreement that this is just a maneuver for money (still haven't been able to sell the house). Hernandez had many issues and I fully believe he murdered Lloyd as well as the two others in Boston. His aggressive out of control behavior was in evidence even before those murders. There were two incidents that happened while at Florida and he ran into trouble earlier in CT.
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Post by Tom on Sept 22, 2017 15:40:29 GMT -5
Hernandez played JUST three seasons for the NE Patriots in the NFL. The majority of his football playing was done BEFORE. He played football for three seasons at Florida and likely that or more in high school. He also likely played additional years in youth leagues. If the sport of football created his CTE, it certainly has to have started back well before 2010 when he played his first game for the Pats. It would seem that his fiance and lawyers are however going after only the the NFL and Patriots because they have the money. I however think it will e a burden for them to prove it was just those three years that caused his CTE.I am in agreement that this is just a maneuver for money (still haven't been able to sell the house). Hernandez had many issues and I fully believe he murdered Lloyd as well as the two others in Boston. His aggressive out of control behavior was in evidence even before those murders. There were two incidents that happened while at Florida and he ran into trouble earlier in CT. I would think they'd also need to prove the CTE was the principle cause of the suicide
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 22, 2017 16:09:40 GMT -5
The inability to do just that is why the NFL settlement was for such a low amount (compared to what might have been awarded) vs no award at all if the case was lost for this reason.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 22, 2017 17:54:56 GMT -5
The link below is to an article about a University of Pennsylvania lineman, a team captain, who committed suicide seven years ago. His parents sent his brain to Boston University and a pathological examination revealed early stage CTE. Boston University physicians cautioned that it would be a leap to say that CTE was the sole cause of his suicide. The player never had a concussion, never complained of a headache. But a telltale clue can be found in how he played football as a youth, starting at age 9. As his parents said, he loved hitting, and the physical contact from the start. www.nytimes.com/2010/09/14/sports/14football.htmlFive years earlier, another Penn football player committed suicide, mid-season. I can't find a reference to his brain ever being autopsied. But this narrative of his behavior indicates the player became deeply troubled. www.espn.com/espn/eticket/story?page=ambrogiFollow-up www.espn.com/espn/eticket/story?page=ambrogi&num=2If Ambrogi had committed suicide five years later, quite likely, based on what is now known about CTE, his brain would have been autopsied. And I suspect the lineman's brain was sent to BU because of Ambrogi. The Ivy League is ending full contact during practice, no tackling. www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/sports/ncaafootball/ivy-league-moves-to-eliminate-tackling-at-practices.html_________________________________ Yes, the Patriots and the NFL are being sued as they have the deeper pockets. I don't know whether the case will ever get to the point where a BU doctor will be asked whether, given the severity of his CTE, Hernandez had CTE while playing at Univ of Florida.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 27, 2017 7:49:02 GMT -5
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Post by clmetsfan on Sept 27, 2017 10:56:10 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Sept 27, 2017 11:02:59 GMT -5
Is this the beginning of the end of organized football ? $95mm Luth ?
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Post by clmetsfan on Sept 27, 2017 11:27:43 GMT -5
Is this the beginning of the end of organized football ? $95mm Luth ? If it does turn out to be a reliable diagnosis tool, then my best-guess answer to your question is yes. You already have the horror stories of players like Junior Seau and Rashaan Salaam committing suicide, guys like Chris Borland and John Urschel retiring young, retired players like Cris Carter saying that they're terrified of what might happen to them in the years to come. I've spoken to friends who played in high school and college that are concerned that they might have CTE. I haven't seen hard figures, but I have to believe that the number of parents who are willing to let their kids play football has to be plummeting (I don't have children, but I know that if I ever do, I'll do everything in my power to keep them away from the sport). The correlation already exists, but the hard evidence is still missing. This could be it.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 27, 2017 12:16:00 GMT -5
I'll rashly speculate about the future.
> No contact football before age 14. (I think ice hockey may also face a similar minimum. And no heading the ball in soccer below age 18.)
> High school football players will be tested for markers before either graduating, or on first enrolling in a college / university as a recruited athlete. Ice hockey too..
> Anyone tested and found to have CME stage II (or higher) will not be allowed to further participate.
> If the marker can be detected at stage I, its possible athletes at this stage will not be allowed to further participate, or will be very closely monitored.
> There will be recurring tests of football players for the marker, perhaps at the start of the junior year, and at the end of the player's last year of matriculation.
> Testing at the NFL will be even more rigorous.
> There will be rule changes.
> My opinion, is that they will 'slow ' the field to reduce the speed (velocity). They could also set limits on total weight of players participating on offense, or defense, to reduce the average weight (mass) of players. For example, the total weight of offensive players on the field for a play cannot exceed 2100 pounds. Reduce mass and velocity, and the kinetic energy at impact (collision) will be less, often significantly less.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 27, 2017 12:20:05 GMT -5
Boxing still exists. It may be the canary in the football coal mine. The canary is breathing well now
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Post by hchoops on Sept 27, 2017 12:27:58 GMT -5
That is not a strong comparison. How would the NFL owners deal with a popularity similar to boxing ?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 27, 2017 12:40:49 GMT -5
That is not a strong comparison. How would the NFL owners deal with a popularity similar to boxing ? What I was trying to convey was that if boxing has not been banned, after calls for its demise for 100+ years, then football--safer and exponentially more popular--will not be banned for safety considerations in my opinion.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 27, 2017 12:44:34 GMT -5
That is not a strong comparison. How would the NFL owners deal with a popularity similar to boxing ? What I was trying to convey was that if boxing has not been banned, after calls for its demise for 100+ years, then football--safer and exponentially more popular--will not be banned for safety considerations in my opinion. Sorry i missed your point but the potential amount of football head injuries will be far greater than boxing has
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 27, 2017 13:04:30 GMT -5
Jake LaMotta just died at 95. of pneumonia. He appeared in an off-Broadway revue five years ago, which suggests he had had most/all of his mental faculties at that time. .
For every LaMotta, there is a Mohammed Ali.
I would consider boxers to be self-employed, so the calculus of risk for an employer (e.g., NFL team) doesn't enter into it. In the NFL, one is compensated (rewarded) for being on the field. as the employer's compensation for a benchwarmer is a lot less. The employer is incentivizing contact, often violent contact.
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Post by clmetsfan on Sept 27, 2017 14:08:53 GMT -5
That is not a strong comparison. How would the NFL owners deal with a popularity similar to boxing ? What I was trying to convey was that if boxing has not been banned, after calls for its demise for 100+ years, then football--safer and exponentially more popular--will not be banned for safety considerations in my opinion. I wasn't saying that football will be banned, merely that its popularity will plummet because fewer and fewer people will play it. In that sense, boxing is a good comparison. However, we're also talking about an individual sport vs. a team sport. You only need two people to have a boxing match, so it can survive as a fringe sport for a long time. But given the amount of people you need to have a single football game -- let along an entire league -- it won't survive if enough people refuse to play.
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Post by Ray on Sept 27, 2017 14:22:19 GMT -5
That is not a strong comparison. How would the NFL owners deal with a popularity similar to boxing ? What I was trying to convey was that if boxing has not been banned, after calls for its demise for 100+ years, then football--safer and exponentially more popular--will not be banned for safety considerations in my opinion. Boxing isn't banned, but it's popularity is far below peak levels. And participation is much lower than football, as you note.... but that means its less of a public health concern. In short, boxing is essentially dying on its own.
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Post by ncaam on Sept 27, 2017 15:07:31 GMT -5
If it's boxing/MMA, is it dying?
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