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Post by hchoops on Oct 10, 2017 11:02:25 GMT -5
Interesting, Tom
Since you mentioned a Hall of Famer, Kham, I thought I would find some others whose frosh season bettered any graduates that immediately preceded them. Some need an asterisk for being a scholarship player replacing a non schollie. I did not research whom they replaced, but believe I am safe in assuming the players’ freshman seasons on this list surpassed those graduates’ senior years.
I realize they are in the distinct minority. Just wanted to point out that it is not unprecedented.
*Tim Szatko
*Jave Meade- perhaps not by points, but certainly by his impact as a point guard, inc assists.
R.J. Evans
Ron Perry Jr.
Ernie Floyd
Chris Potter - same season as Mike
Mike Vicens
George Kaftan
Karl’s freshman season was not as strong as MM’s senior year, but it was not that far off.
KC - 10.6 ppg. 4.2 rpg
MM- 14.5 ppg. 4.9 rpg
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 10, 2017 11:35:13 GMT -5
We have to replace the minutes played by the four seniors who graduated. There is good discussion on the prospects of the freshmen being as productive as RC and MA. Think about this--suppose the replacements (be they the freshmen or perhaps upperclassmen getting more minutes) are only 80% as effective (can't realize measure that precisely, just trying to illustrate) as Champion and Alexander, but 135% as effective as MH and AT?
I'm optimistic about several of the freshmen and also hope MP can emerge as a strong contributor
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Post by hchoops on Oct 10, 2017 11:44:44 GMT -5
There will probably be many available minutes at the 2 and the 4-5.
Pat and Karl will most likely get the majority of minutes at the 1-2 for Pat and the 3 for KC.
Jehyve will hopefully fill one of those 4-5 minutes, if he can avoid foul trouble.
The freshmen will vie with the other returnees for the rest.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 10, 2017 11:51:45 GMT -5
Avoiding foul trouble, especially in the early going, will be a key ingredient in any HC success.
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Post by Tom on Oct 10, 2017 12:37:39 GMT -5
Interesting, Tom Since you mentioned a Hall of Famer, Kham, I thought I would find some others whose frosh season bettered any graduates that immediately preceded them. Some need an asterisk for being a scholarship player replacing a non schollie. I did not research whom they replaced, but believe I am safe in assuming the players’ freshman seasons on this list surpassed those graduates’ senior years. I realize they are in the distinct minority. Just wanted to point out that it is not unprecedented. *Tim Szatko *Jave Meade- perhaps not by points, but certainly by his impact as a point guard, inc assists. R.J. Evans Ron Perry Jr. Ernie Floyd Chris Potter - same season as Mike Mike Vicens George Kaftan Karl’s freshman season was not as strong as MM’s senior year, but it was not that far off. KC - 10.6 ppg. 4.2 rpg MM- 14.5 ppg. 4.9 rpg True enough. It's not impossible, just rare at this level. I was pointing out that even a Hall of Famer can not reach this high level of expectation as a freshman |
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Post by ncaam on Oct 10, 2017 15:39:14 GMT -5
I stand by what I said. Basically we will struggle because the frosh won’t replace the production of our grads.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 10, 2017 16:09:55 GMT -5
I stand by what I said. Basically we will struggle because the frosh won’t replace the production of our grads. I am sure that was what you meant and I can agree with that, but it was not what you said. The original post was: "The frosh will be good someday but will not immediately replace the grads" Is that hat you stand by? The frosh have already replaced the grads, replacing their production is a separate issue. |
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Post by CHC8485 on Oct 10, 2017 16:24:57 GMT -5
And that assumes that the current juniors and sophomores won’t boost their production to replace the grads. If they do boost their production, the current freshmen only need to replace the production of last years Freshmen and maybe a sophomore or 2.
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Post by possum on Oct 10, 2017 17:00:00 GMT -5
A one armed blind man could replace the production of last years Freshmen.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Oct 10, 2017 17:50:52 GMT -5
There will probably be many available minutes at the 2 . . . Pat will most likely get the majority of minutes at the 1-2 . . . One of the interesting pre-season stories for me is how Pat and Caleb will complement one another. As hoops noted elsewhere, Jave Meade was an impact freshman. He didn't start a single game, but averaged nearly 25 mpg (with about 12 ppg, 5 apg and 3 spg per 40 minutes), complementing junior Ryan Serravalle at the point, and actually pushing Ryan to the 2 at times (when Brian Wilson got hurt). I can see a similar situation developing here, but maybe with Caleb getting some looks at the 2-guard (he looks like a more versatile offensive threat than Pat) in addition to spelling him at the point. Serravalle's minutes dropped a few with Jave's arrival. I wouldn't be surprised if PB's ticked down a few as well this year. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 10, 2017 17:55:32 GMT -5
KC had a really good freshman year, was certainly a key contributor. But, he didn't need to be the top guy.....he didn't need to hit 6 3's in the championship game, or nail key free throws in the last minute. He didn't need to keep the season alive with one of the great clutch plays in HC PL history. There were upperclassmen to take care of that (with the others all having their moments). If this year's juniors can take that big step from underclassmen to upperclassmen......then maybe 1-2 of the frosh can take advantage of the opportunities and post some KC freshman year type numbers. If all this happens, it might at least be a very interesting season.
I'd like to see someone from this group surprise: Ziggy, JS, MP, CLS.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 10, 2017 18:02:46 GMT -5
I believe that there will be more than 1 or 2 freshmen contributing regularly. And some are likely to get the same opportunities to score , rebound and assist that Karl received as a freshman
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Post by hchoops on Oct 10, 2017 18:13:37 GMT -5
There will probably be many available minutes at the 2 . . . Pat will most likely get the majority of minutes at the 1-2 . . . One of the interesting pre-season stories for me is how Pat and Caleb will complement one another. As hoops noted elsewhere, Jave Meade was an impact freshman. He didn't start a single game, but averaged nearly 25 mpg (with about 12 ppg, 5 apg and 3 spg per 40 minutes), complementing junior Ryan Serravalle at the point, and actually pushing Ryan to the 2 at times (when Brian Wilson got hurt). I can see a similar situation developing here, but maybe with Caleb getting some looks at the 2-guard (he looks like a more versatile offensive threat than Pat) in addition to spelling him at the point. Serravalle's minutes dropped a few with Jave's arrival. I wouldn't be surprised if PB's ticked down a few as well this year. [/quote ]Good analogy, WG With the ball being being shared for the PO, it may not make much of a difference who is the 1 or 2 on offense. But if Caleb turns out to be more of a pointguard than Pat, he could play the 1. The challenge may be on the defensive end, as we saw last season with 2 small guards playing the 1-3-1 |
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