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Post by cmo on Dec 11, 2017 19:13:12 GMT -5
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 11, 2017 19:13:32 GMT -5
Chesney knows he wasn't Pine's first option. A couple of weeks ago, Pine could have dictated the terms of Chesney's deal, but now Pine has lost all of his leverage. In fact, given that Chesney (or any of the other candidates for that matter) know that Cramsey and others have passed over the HC job, he now has some leverage. I really do think Pine has botched this process, and we have already lost recruits because of it. Do you have any basis for this, or are you just talking out of your ass?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 11, 2017 19:18:11 GMT -5
Chesney knows he wasn't Pine's first option. A couple of weeks ago, Pine could have dictated the terms of Chesney's deal, but now Pine has lost all of his leverage. In fact, given that Chesney (or any of the other candidates for that matter) know that Cramsey and others have passed over the HC job, he now has some leverage. I really do think Pine has botched this process, and we have already lost recruits because of it. Do you have any basis for this, or are you just talking out of your ass? Chesney's season ended two weeks ago. If Pine wanted to hire him and he was the first choice, he'd have already been named the coach. Not complicated.
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Post by Ray on Dec 11, 2017 19:33:40 GMT -5
Do you have any basis for this, or are you just talking out of your ass? Chesney's season ended two weeks ago. If Pine wanted to hire him and he was the first choice, he'd have already been named the coach. Not complicated. Slow down a bit. Assumption's season ended 9 days ago... oh, when NP was out of the country, too. If Chesney had been named last Friday, you would have said he was the guy we were waiting for all along. Because the process got extended a few days, it's somehow clear evidence that the entire process was "botched"? I will grant that if Lee Hull is hired at this point, your argument has merit. But for Chesney, who maybe needed a couple of days off the playoff run to immerse himself in this opportunity, or maybe we had an issue in the terms that needed to clear the BoT this past weekend, or... whatever.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 11, 2017 19:35:27 GMT -5
Do you have any basis for this, or are you just talking out of your ass? Chesney's season ended two weeks ago. If Pine wanted to hire him and he was the first choice, he'd have already been named the coach. Not complicated. Your assumption re relevant bargaining power and comments that Pine is somehow stuck with this choice because of other rejections is without a factual basis. Not complicated. Maybe Chesney was the 5th choice, and not the 1st choice. It makes no difference as to Chesney's bargaining power - he is still the coach of Assumption and I don't know of any other FCS teams knocking on his door - although that may change in the future if he keeps up the fine work. Even assuming your facts, his agent is not trying to use the fact that he was previously rejected to leverage HC, because they know he'll be back at Assumption next year making 50-100K less if the deal is not done. If he is the choice, I think he'll make a great addition. He has never had a losing season and my hope is that will continue to be the case. If he is not the choice, we'll see where ADNP goes. I would be disappointed in ADNP if he did not try to get some FBS coordinators, NFL position coaches, or higher end FCS coordinators before deciding on Chesney, regardless of how good Chesney may be.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 11, 2017 19:36:42 GMT -5
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 11, 2017 19:37:29 GMT -5
Given Hull and Malone are (and have been all year) unemployed, if they are still candidates as reported "via sources" and could have been hired by Halloween, can someone give a plausible reason that their "candidacy" is more than just appeasing the faded purple sweater set or fall back candidates at best?
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 11, 2017 19:39:37 GMT -5
IF one of those guys is the choice...why not just wait until the announcement to start the complaining and moaning?
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 11, 2017 19:46:33 GMT -5
Maybe they are in the running to appease the faithful or maybe, given their resumes, especially Malone's resume, they are still in the running. Let's phrase the question a little different with a couple of hypothetical situtations:
Would ADNP be wrong to delay the decision if he had an offer out to a NFL coach (assuming the coach is good) and was working through the timing and NFL team schedule, etc.
Would he be wrong if his first choice rejected the $$$ because he is a FBS coordinator or QB coach and ADNP was moving on the next guy on his list.
Would he be wrong if the parties have agreed, but they need to work out an exit if the guy is under contract and if they cannot work it out, ADNP moves on to the next guy on his list, which could be Malone or Hull or Chesney.
There are a lot of qualified coaches around. ADNP's list and top choices are his prerogative as AD, and he will be judged by the consequences, but I note the judging wont be on one recruiting class, but on the whole of the results.
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Post by breezy on Dec 11, 2017 19:52:32 GMT -5
I've been in position where I had responsibility to hire employees. It may be somewhat different than hiring a football coach, but I think it likely that there is an application stage, an interview stage, and possibly a negotiation stage. There have been times when someone looked good on paper but the interview was tanked, and times when the paper presentation was not outstanding but the interview brought that person to the top. There were times when there had to be a hard choice between two candidates who each brought much that was desired to the table.
I am as anxious as anyone to have this process completed and a new coach announced, but let's not make assumptions about what has occurred during the process. I expect that each candidate brought certain qualities and attributes to the table and that picking one candidate at the end does not mean that the other candidates should be denigrated.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 11, 2017 19:56:39 GMT -5
If Chesney only today is being given a tour of Luth, that is very strange timing. One would think any tour by any candidate would coincide with the interview. And its not as if Chesney lives in Huntsville TX.
One explanation might be that Chesney is being considered for a position other than HC. (Nothing like stirring the pot.)
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Post by HC92 on Dec 11, 2017 20:31:02 GMT -5
The amount of speculation in this thread is mind-boggling. If Chesneyâs the guy, letâs all support him and start focusing on catching up on recruiting. Hopefully his staff or at least the coordinators will be named quickly so we can start recruiting. Assuming Pine wonât let him bring his whole Assumption staff with him and will insist on some guys with FCS (and preferable Ivy or PL) recruiting experience on the staff. For the record, I like the Chesney hire if it is him. Might take a couple of years but I have a good feeling about it.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 11, 2017 20:36:01 GMT -5
I'm sorry but if this "nation-wide search" ends with a guy who can get to HC via the Consortium van from across the city of Worcester, I will be very disappointed.
He's obviously a good coach but there has to be literally 1,000s of guys across the country more qualified/experienced at the D1/FCS level.
All he has known as a head coach is coaching at lower division schools before 100s of people at games. Our next head coach will be coaching before 45K in Chestnut Hill next September, have to recruit nationally, roughly given the keys to a program worth 100s of millions if you take in the Luth, yearly expenses, the college's brand etc etc....
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Post by td128 on Dec 11, 2017 20:40:06 GMT -5
LET'S WIN!!!
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Post by gks on Dec 11, 2017 20:41:40 GMT -5
HC87 have you seen Assumption play at all?
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Post by hc87 on Dec 11, 2017 20:43:20 GMT -5
HC87 have you seen Assumption play at all? I was a big fan of Joe O'Brien's team in the early 1970s....the Grock!!!!
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Post by unhfan on Dec 11, 2017 20:49:41 GMT -5
White smoke after breakfast with HC Pres tomorrow?
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Post by cmo on Dec 11, 2017 20:56:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry but if this "nation-wide search" ends with a guy who can get to HC via the Consortium van from across the city of Worcester, This was laugh out loud funny. Well done.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 11, 2017 20:56:15 GMT -5
I'm sorry but if this "nation-wide search" ends with a guy who can get to HC via the Consortium van from across the city of Worcester, I will be very disappointed. He's obviously a good coach but there has to be literally 1,000s of guys across the country more qualified/experienced at the D1/FCS level.
All he has known as a head coach is coaching at lower division schools before 100s of people at games. Our next head coach will be coaching before 45K in Chestnut Hill next September, have to recruit nationally, roughly given the keys to a program worth 100s of millions if you take in the Luth, yearly expenses, the college's brand etc etc.... You have gone further off the deep end if that was possible 87. Aside from saying the exact same thing every single day, how many of these "thousands of more qualified guys" want the HC job? By the looks of things not many. Don't exclude the ticket sales factor in NP's decision either, as that's a hot button issue for him (as it should be), and Chesney would help in that aspect a lot more than a faceless 1AA coordinator from some no-name school that no Worc local has ever heard of.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 11, 2017 21:04:09 GMT -5
I have done some football work with Assumption over the last two years. The speed that Assumption plays with is amazing and the play calling was top of the line. They never had a good defense in the games I shot but they did enough.
I hope it is him because he deserves a better job and I believe he will do a great job.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 11, 2017 21:33:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry but if this "nation-wide search" ends with a guy who can get to HC via the Consortium van from across the city of Worcester, I will be very disappointed. He's obviously a good coach but there has to be literally 1,000s of guys across the country more qualified/experienced at the D1/FCS level. All he has known as a head coach is coaching at lower division schools before 100s of people at games. Our next head coach will be coaching before 45K in Chestnut Hill next September, have to recruit nationally, roughly given the keys to a program worth 100s of millions if you take in the Luth, yearly expenses, the college's brand etc etc.... On the one hand you seem to be very much aware of the actual current state of HC's football program (a middling program in a very weak league) but on the other hand you seem baffled that a mass of great and experienced coaches did not line up at the door for the job. The two ideas are related. I think we landed the right man for the difficult job - and his background suggests he'll be a winner, again.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 11, 2017 21:55:01 GMT -5
Did you know Bob Chesney lost to Bentley this season?
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Post by hc87 on Dec 11, 2017 21:59:05 GMT -5
Agree that it could be seen as contradictory...but I'm still of the belief that this program hasn't descended to the level that we have to hire the "local hot kid."
He has won...but really, it's not a very impressive level of college football. The NE-10 and the league Salve play in are pretty poor. Bentley beat Assumption last year (cue the howls of "without our starting QB!!!").
I'll say this...it will be a hell of a roll of the dice if ADNP goes this route.
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Post by CHC8485 on Dec 11, 2017 22:05:50 GMT -5
So let me get this straight ... the guy who wants us to recruit more âlocalâ kids, is upset that our national search may have yielded the âlocal hot kidâ ... whoâs been successful largely by recruiting âlocalâ kids??? Hmmmm.
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Post by coach on Dec 11, 2017 22:08:20 GMT -5
You guys do realize that if youâre at a D1 school, you can recruit D1 kids, right? Chesney won at Salve with D3 kids when Salve hadnât won before, he won at Assumption with D2 kids when Assumption hadnât won before. With access to D1 kids, IF heâs the guy, I see absolutely zero evidence that he wonât win at HC. If that came off snarky, I apologize.
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