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Post by bikeman on Oct 28, 2017 21:19:52 GMT -5
We will not know what size crowd HC is capable of attracting until an undefeated team, mid to late season, has a hugh game against another solid opponent.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 28, 2017 21:44:07 GMT -5
Just curious....in the very off chance we evah had a crowd of 18-20K or so, does the campus/local area have the parking availibility to handle that now? ...or the memory of just how to do it. Is there anybody working there that remembers what a big crowd for football or (on a smaller scale) basketball looks like?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 28, 2017 22:14:56 GMT -5
The announcers did say that the crowd was "late arriving" - I guess it was a case of better late than never. If 9K were in the stadium, probably another 3K were on the baseball field. Funny, after meandering through all of upper campus and eventually finding an open parking spot on McKeon Road, I was expecting a line of at least 15 people at the ticket booth -- turned out I walked right up to the window just five minutes prior to KO.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 28, 2017 22:25:50 GMT -5
Some impressive FCS crowds around PL and Ivy for this time of year, especially given the recent poor performances of some of these home teams:
Georgetown @ Holy Cross 9.063 Bucknell @ Colgate 6,763 Lehigh @ Fordham 7,962 Dartmouth @ Harvard 11,143 Columbia @ Yale 15,422
Thank you Mother Nature. Probably a lot of folks looking for something to do outdoors before the downpours come tomorrow.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 28, 2017 22:37:50 GMT -5
Not to be too much of a conspiracy theorist...but if a crowd of 9K at Fitton is logistically pushing the limits at HC, we really don't care about football anymore.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 28, 2017 23:01:10 GMT -5
Not to be too much of a conspiracy theorist...but if a crowd of 9K at Fitton is logistically pushing the limits at HC, we really don't care about football anymore. I don't think anyone believes that's the upper limit but just that it's a somewhat impressive showing for a team that was in the midst of a highly deflating season, against an opponent that nobody caheees about. If Holy Cross had been the PL front-runner that we were supposed to be after UNH and today's Family Weekend game had been against Colgate or Fordham, the number would have been around 13K today, assuming the same sunny skies of course.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 28, 2017 23:10:44 GMT -5
Seriously though....could the campus today logistically take a 18K crowd at Fitton? Freshmen Field parking has been lessened, parking above Hogan has been taken away etc....makes one wondah.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 28, 2017 23:38:31 GMT -5
Coach Rock in the post-game presser: "I'm just happy for these guys, this university"........
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Post by hc87 on Oct 28, 2017 23:44:18 GMT -5
Idiot...the entire coaching staff of the last decade or so has essentially stolen $$$ from Holy Cross......
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 29, 2017 0:02:46 GMT -5
Swell...
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Post by ts1970 on Oct 29, 2017 0:07:22 GMT -5
Coach Rock in the post-game presser: "I'm just happy for these guys, this university"........ Yes, no excuse for that mistake in nomenclature.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 29, 2017 0:08:25 GMT -5
The program needs an entire clean sweep of the Gilmore-era....out,out,out....it happened but it didn't happen....Dear God, may it nevah happen again...
It is what it is, I know there are many Gilmore fans here....but he simply wasn't the right guy for this job in the scholarship-era...we have to move on.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 29, 2017 0:11:24 GMT -5
He's gone 87. Let it go. Please. For your sake as much as ours.
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Post by ts1970 on Oct 29, 2017 0:20:28 GMT -5
He's gone 87. Let it go. Please. For your sake as much as ours. Most heartily agree...no point in harping on his past now that the college has let him go.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 29, 2017 0:34:36 GMT -5
He's gone, but let's not make the mistakes of the past...I feel for Gilmore, but seriously, we waited 14 years to fire him mid-season???
Please make me out to be the "bad guy"....but firing him mid-season is fine?
He should have been fired probably 3 or 4 years ago...but, yeah, I'm the bad guy in this scenario.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 29, 2017 5:34:42 GMT -5
1. You feel for him? Who are you kidding? Stop with the alligator tears. 2. Waited 14 years to fire him? Let me remind you that we were coming off some terrible years under Dan Allen. Of Gilmore's first 8 years, only his first year did he have a losing record, then rattled off 7 consecutive winning seasons including 9-3 in 2009 winning the PL championship and playing the eventual national champs, Villanova closer than any other team in the NCAA playoffs at their place. We vied for the PL championship another 2-3 times and at one point had 3 consecutive 7-4 seasons - something we would probably kill for now. He was PL Coach of the Year twice. He worked under some real disadvantages at Holy Cross which are only now slowly being corrected. He ran out of time.
Yes, over the last 5 seasons, we had only 1 winning season, 6-5 in 2015. Yes, there were some really bad judgment calls made during games this year and the team is definitely not playing to its potential. Truth be told, under Coach Rock, they are still not playing to their potential despite his happy press conferences. And TG would be the first to tell you that as head coach, he was the one ultimately responsible for those decisions and results. And, yes, he probably needed to go because the results on the field are ultimately the determinant of job security for an athletic coach rather than the kind of student-athlete one turns out or the effort expended doing so because, as the announcers said yesterday, "you could ask any coach on any other team at Holy Cross, which one worked the hardest and they would all say Tom Gilmore. And he still bleeds purple."
So, the decision was made. He's gone. You got what you've wanted for years.
Now, please, let it go.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 29, 2017 6:09:11 GMT -5
FWIW UConn lost 52-12 to Mizzou that was not as close as the score indicates. Highlight/Lowlight was Coach Edsall ejecting one of his own players (and sending him packing to the locker room).
UNH (5-3) lost 24-0 to JMU. UNH is in the midst of a run of CAA games and may finish the season at 6-5.
(It is interesting that when scholarships began, we went downhill rather quickly at HC as another poster noted. I don't think we recruited very well but it may be just a coincidence. )
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Post by hcgrad94 on Oct 29, 2017 7:29:57 GMT -5
Seriously though....could the campus today logistically take a 18K crowd at Fitton? Freshmen Field parking has been lessened, parking above Hogan has been taken away etc....makes one wondah. We had 16k for Umass night game in 2011 and it worked great
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Post by hcpride on Oct 29, 2017 8:06:25 GMT -5
He's gone, but let's not make the mistakes of the past...I feel for Gilmore, but seriously, we waited 14 years to fire him mid-season??? Please make me out to be the "bad guy"....but firing him mid-season is fine? He should have been fired probably 3 or 4 years ago...but, yeah, I'm the bad guy in this scenario. I'm thinking HC admin is aiming to 'compete' (whatever that actually means) for the football title in the weak Patriot League each year and have a 'respectable showing' (whatever that means) in our OOC FCS games and to literally be on the same field at our OOC FBS games. That is fairly wide latitude and might seem pretty weak to many observers used to (or hoping for) a higher football standard (especially given $$ outlay within a tight budget). After all, a string of losing seasons still hits that mark. At the same time, there is at least an implied level of performance and apparently Gilmore failed to reach it . Embarrassing team performances (i.e. non-respectable showings) in several games - perhaps over two seasons - got him a virtually unheard of midseason firing. (Separate and apart from any diversions regarding TG's honesty, integrity, loyalty, etc.)
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 29, 2017 8:08:28 GMT -5
Got to love the 1am ihoop posts on a Saturday night / Sunday morning!
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Post by breezy on Oct 29, 2017 8:25:21 GMT -5
You feel for him? Who are you kidding? Stop with the alligator tears. *** So, the decision was made. He's gone. You got what you've wanted for years. Now, please, let it go. I seem to have a knack to remember bits of trivia, and the constant, constant Gilmore-battering of a certain poster reminds me of the description that William Gibbs McAdoo gave to speeches by President Warren Harding -- not so much the first part but certainly the second: “His speeches left the impression of an army of pompous phrases moving over the landscape in search of an idea; sometimes these meandering words would actually capture a straggling thought and bear it triumphantly as a prisoner in their midst, until it died of servitude and overwork.” [Emphasis added]
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 29, 2017 9:42:36 GMT -5
OK, I've given you all more than enough time, so I will have to correct myself.
The expression is not "alligator tears." I actually know better having been treated on a trip to Australia to see crocs in the wild and live alligators and crocs in the zoo down there.
While both "shed tears," the expression only applies to crocs
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 29, 2017 9:45:22 GMT -5
sader1970, Thanks for the upgrade on this term...one which I almost never use, but if I do, it will be the correct "crocodile" PS: Having seen Peter Pan, I also "Never Smile at a Crocodile."
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 29, 2017 9:45:37 GMT -5
FWIW UConn lost 52-12 to Mizzou that was not as close as the score indicates. Highlight/Lowlight was Coach Edsall ejecting one of his own players (and sending him packing to the locker room). [ Kevin Anderson hired this idiot at Maryland. We better be awfully careful.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 29, 2017 12:04:07 GMT -5
Seriously though....could the campus today logistically take a 18K crowd at Fitton? Freshmen Field parking has been lessened, parking above Hogan has been taken away etc....makes one wondah. We had 16k for Umass night game in 2011 and it worked great I had just graduated and stayed at a friend's apartment in Figge. Glad I got a spot early. I think McKeon Rd was pretty full but they handled it fine
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