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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 24, 2017 21:41:55 GMT -5
I don’t believe it’s the Xand0 of Carmody‘s defense that has caused our atrocious start on defense. It’s the guys he has recruited. We have no big bigs. Floyd is the best we can throw out there. Maybe by the time they are seniors guys like niego and fall will be able to bang with our Oppo. But right now they cannot defend or rebound on a d1 level. Please tell us this is a typo and you're not going to start ridiculing this freshman player after four games
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Post by Ray on Nov 24, 2017 22:20:42 GMT -5
Are you really going to go down this road again? It's so #$@&^*!ing tiresome. Cheers. I have two heavy hitters on my side, bbc and hch. You don’t like what I post? Lump it. 43's got me and I'm pretty sure he's got dado if you want to go 3-on-3. I don't think you want to go counting allies around here, because I don't know how much further than 3 you're going to get. I still don't understand why you're here when you're banned. You're like Schrodinger's poster.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 24, 2017 22:52:47 GMT -5
I have two heavy hitters on my side, bbc and hch. You don’t like what I post? Lump it. 43's got me and I'm pretty sure he's got dado if you want to go 3-on-3. I don't think you want to go counting allies around here, because I don't know how much further than 3 you're going to get. I still don't understand why you're here when you're banned. You're like Schrodinger's poster. There is very little or nothing that can be disputed in ncaam’s latest post. Our lack of depth inside is glaring. It’s laughable how much you guys bitch and moan because you can’t seem to handle someone posting on a flipping message board. The idea that somehow everyone should be on the “future is bright” train despite serious roster issues and a continued lack of emphasis on defense and rebounding is just insanity.
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Post by crosspride on Nov 24, 2017 23:47:57 GMT -5
I agree with bbc and ncaam. Defense and especially rebounding are major concerns, it will be impossible to have sustained success until those two improve significantly.
You would think with all the advanced analytics that goes on in today’s game, if having all 5 guys retreat on D was a smart strategy to employ over the long term, many teams would be doing that. It seems like an old school tactic to me. There are other ways to limit transition scoring.
If CBC can prove that’s this defensive style/strategy will help us hang with a top ~25 team, similar to the one we’d play in the first round of the NCAA tournament, I’ll have more confidence that the future is bright. So far in his tenure, I can’t recall any games that have been close.
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Post by Ray on Nov 25, 2017 23:04:08 GMT -5
I think the fundamental difference here is that some of us aren't passing night-to-night judgment on the first handful of games in what is essentially a two-year rebuild/reload plan. We've got freshmen playing roughly half the available minutes. They're going to get a lot better over the next year or two or four. What we're looking at right now is essentially the "before" picture in the weight-loss gimmick commercial.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 25, 2017 23:24:15 GMT -5
I think the fundamental difference here is that some of us aren't passing night-to-night judgment on the first handful of games in what is essentially a two-year rebuild/reload plan. We've got freshmen playing roughly half the available minutes. They're going to get a lot better over the next year or two or four. What we're looking at right now is essentially the "before" picture in the weight-loss gimmick commercial. It’s going to be another rebuilding process in 2 years when we are replacing 3 starters, including what could very well be our only inside player. Does Carmody not get blame for digging this “rebuild/reload” hole far deeper than it needed to be by missing on 4 of his first 5 schollies, and then using all 6 scholarships last year to kill any semblance of roster balance?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 25, 2017 23:38:25 GMT -5
You keep repeating the mantra of "missing on 4 of the first 5". Are you ready now to pass final judgment on the freshmen as well?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 25, 2017 23:50:51 GMT -5
You keep repeating the mantra of "missing on 4 of the first 5". Are you ready now to pass final judgment on the freshmen as well? No. Some early thoughts on what we’ve seen so far in terms of skills (i.e. shooting appears strong, defense appears quite weak), but not enough of a sample to pass serious judgements. However, one thing that is evident so far is that nobody from this 6-man class is ready to play in the paint. If that does not change in the next year or two, that will be a masssive issue going forward.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 26, 2017 7:01:40 GMT -5
Amazing how some folks seem to know the future. It could also be said that if no over five feet is drafted in the next two years, the rebounding will get even worse. Should we worry about some remote possibility in the future or should we enjoy watching the team perform this year and watching these players develop?
Also, since CBC has commented on both issues himself, is there anyone so overcome by personal bias that they really believe he is so inept that he is unaware of what this team still needs to do?
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 26, 2017 7:02:21 GMT -5
I am pretty sure that this is the landscape at our level. Only teams like Duke and North Carolina get to "re-load" rather than rebuild as, after all, college players are normally supposed to play 4, sometimes 5, years and graduation will do that to a coach, any coach.
If you want to argue against the type of player Carmody recruits, that's another matter, but he has his personal coaching philosophy as what and who works in his system and he's been doing it for 30+ years.
Of course, we want to win every game but, let's see. 2 full seasons; 1 PL championship; and in his third he has a lot of developing freshmen. Seems pretty good to me.
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Post by possum on Nov 26, 2017 7:30:05 GMT -5
it seems some of us are surprised that the freshmen are not yet finished products. Most freshmen bigs are not ready to bang and defend in the paint. Faw is very long and athletic and with the proper work ethic will get much stronger and should be a quality big in the PL. I think Niego also has room to grow and could be a factor inside as well. Not sure about Grandison who has a slight build like KC whom it doesn't seem has put on an ounce of weight since arriving. I have been very critical of Carmody's prior recruits who have basically been over recruited by the current class and as a result are required to play more minutes than they probably should. In the long run I think this will be a positive rather than a negative but there will be growing pains along the way.
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Post by HC1843 on Nov 26, 2017 7:39:09 GMT -5
I think the fundamental difference here is that some of us aren't passing night-to-night judgment on the first handful of games in what is essentially a two-year rebuild/reload plan. We've got freshmen playing roughly half the available minutes. They're going to get a lot better over the next year or two or four. What we're looking at right now is essentially the "before" picture in the weight-loss gimmick commercial. It’s going to be another rebuilding process in 2 years when we are replacing 3 starters, including what could very well be our only inside player. Does Carmody not get blame for digging this “rebuild/reload” hole far deeper than it needed to be by missing on 4 of his first 5 schollies, and then using all 6 scholarships last year to kill any semblance of roster balance? No blame to Carmody at this point in his tenure. Remember, Milan blew the rebuilding horn for 8 years, and he was only our coach for 6. I do not recall Carmody making the same volume of excuses, so we are in a much better spot, and already have danced. The future is brighter than it has been in a decade. Cheers.
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Post by possum on Nov 26, 2017 7:44:26 GMT -5
Yes Carmody does take the blame just as any other coach does for blowing scholarships.
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Post by ncaam on Nov 26, 2017 8:14:02 GMT -5
It’s going to be another rebuilding process in 2 years when we are replacing 3 starters, including what could very well be our only inside player. Does Carmody not get blame for digging this “rebuild/reload” hole far deeper than it needed to be by missing on 4 of his first 5 schollies, and then using all 6 scholarships last year to kill any semblance of roster balance? No blame to Carmody at this point in his tenure. Remember, Milan blew the rebuilding horn for 8 years, and he was only our coach for 6. I do not recall Carmody making the same volume of excuses, so we are in a much better spot, and already have danced. The future is brighter than it has been in a decade. Cheers. Too funny. Carmody predicted 5 wins this year and said he was not a good recruiting salesman. OMG. Go Cross Go!
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Post by Ray on Nov 26, 2017 8:35:01 GMT -5
I think the fundamental difference here is that some of us aren't passing night-to-night judgment on the first handful of games in what is essentially a two-year rebuild/reload plan. We've got freshmen playing roughly half the available minutes. They're going to get a lot better over the next year or two or four. What we're looking at right now is essentially the "before" picture in the weight-loss gimmick commercial. It’s going to be another rebuilding process in 2 years when we are replacing 3 starters, including what could very well be our only inside player. Does Carmody not get blame for digging this “rebuild/reload” hole far deeper than it needed to be by missing on 4 of his first 5 schollies, and then using all 6 scholarships last year to kill any semblance of roster balance? Well since that team will have six returning juniors who will be significantly experienced... no, that isn't at all analogous to what we're seeing right now. No way will freshmen play 50% of the available minutes in two years. Oh, and how is it that Floyd's an "inside player" now, but Faw/Grandison aren't? And did you see anything from Floyd as a frosh that would have indicated how high you'd value him two years later?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 26, 2017 8:51:17 GMT -5
Balancing classes is a fine concept but getting very good players should contribute more to success, in my opinion. If 4,5,6 of these freshmen turn out to be strong contributors then I'll say it was a good idea to use all 6 scholarships. I believe that will be the case.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 26, 2017 8:53:49 GMT -5
It’s going to be another rebuilding process in 2 years when we are replacing 3 starters, including what could very well be our only inside player. Does Carmody not get blame for digging this “rebuild/reload” hole far deeper than it needed to be by missing on 4 of his first 5 schollies, and then using all 6 scholarships last year to kill any semblance of roster balance? Oh, and how is it that Floyd's an "inside player" now, but Faw/Grandison aren't? And did you see anything from Floyd as a frosh that would have indicated how high you'd value him two years later? To quote HOF RW, those guys couldn’t guard a chair in the paint right now. Floyd always showed flashes, particularly on the defensive end.
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Post by HC1843 on Nov 26, 2017 9:23:58 GMT -5
Yes Carmody does take the blame just as any other coach does for blowing scholarships. Not true, we have 3 more years before we can know anything. Plus, let's play nice and remember the board rules about no ad hominems against our players, which you and others surely are doing here with references to blown scholarships....tisk, tisk. Cheers.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 26, 2017 9:26:27 GMT -5
Jehyve has also passed Christopher Morgan to become #1 on the all-time FG PCTG list. Of course, neither has the required 300 field goals made to be the official leader, but JF's 92/145= .634 is well ahead of Ernie Floyd's .581.
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Post by HC1843 on Nov 26, 2017 9:32:26 GMT -5
No blame to Carmody at this point in his tenure. Remember, Milan blew the rebuilding horn for 8 years, and he was only our coach for 6. I do not recall Carmody making the same volume of excuses, so we are in a much better spot, and already have danced. The future is brighter than it has been in a decade. Cheers. Too funny. Carmody predicted 5 wins this year and said he was not a good recruiting salesman. OMG. Go Cross Go! He may not wear a three-piece suit, and may dab the self-deprecation on a bit heavy, but that is part of his MO, but not a single intelligent poster here believes he is a poor recruiter. The best, surely not. The worst, far from it. We should celebrate the fact that it appears he brought in a point who looks to be the best we have had since Torey....maybe a bit early, but the kid plays within himself, as a frosh of all years, which we have not seen since Jave. The future is bright, indeed. Cheers.
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Post by possum on Nov 26, 2017 9:47:08 GMT -5
1843 it's okay to praise but not to criticize makes for a very boring board, what recruits are you referring to that we have three more years to evaluate, if it's the current freshmen class I have no problem with them, the others have already been passed by the frosh so don't see their playing time increasing.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 26, 2017 9:54:39 GMT -5
If you go back through the decades you'll see that every coach has had some significant misses when it comes to recruiting
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Post by HC1843 on Nov 26, 2017 10:04:34 GMT -5
1843 it's okay to praise but not to criticize makes for a very boring board, what recruits are you referring to that we have three more years to evaluate, if it's the current freshmen class I have no problem with them, the others have already been passed by the frosh so don't see their playing time increasing. Half of my comment is tongue in cheek, that said, we are now what 4 games into our sophomore class' tenure...to early to call those schollies blown. Remember Jerz and Smiley did next to nothing until the senior years. More recently, Champion and Malachi did not make things happen until their junior years. As such the part that is not tongue in cheek is realizing that "heavyweight" BBC (70's appellation, not mine) attacks against our sophs are a bit premature. Maybe our sophs end up contributing little, but that is too early to tell. I am generally fine assessing our upperclassmen. The railing against Carmody isn't really about his ability to recruit though....it is about attacking Milan's successor and NP at any opp. The heavyweights love to pile on when we lose, and are blissfully silent when we win. I do not remember Milan ever bringing in a class this promising....never. The future is bright indeed. Cheers.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 26, 2017 10:11:42 GMT -5
If you go back through the decades you'll see that every coach has had some significant misses when it comes to recruiting Of course every coach misses, but few miss on 4 out of 5. (Stevens hasn’t been able to get on the floor yet, so it may be a bit premature for him, but the other 3 unfortunately appear to be in that department.) My biggest concern right now is about the ability to balance and fill a roster with complementary players. What we’ve seen out of the current freshmen shows skill and promise in the scoring department, but I struggle to see how they can blend together into a 5-man unit without leaving us woefully exposed in defense and rebounding.
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