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Post by HC92 on Nov 23, 2017 8:46:22 GMT -5
By all accounts, the strongest indicator of future success this year are the 6 frosh. Take em when you can get em. If MP is not going to play, take his schollie and replace it with other aid. I agree that you "take em when you can get em." Our 6 frosh have great potential, some of which we have seen. But we need to remember that they are a "work in progress." (For what it is worth, there seemed to be less talking among the players on the court yesterday. Perhaps that is just my observation and it was not the case. You raise an interesting point. Can an athletic scholarship be taken away with some other type of scholarship provided? I am not saying this is what HC needs to do, just wondring if it is at all possible...or does that scholarship still count against the limit? I know we had a player keep a scholarship when he could not play because of a high school injurt (after he had been awarded he scholarship). Might this happen again? If so, how is that done? I think it would be possible and the same as Criswell. Don’t know the exact details but you basically have to file some paperwork indicating that the player has a medical issue that will prevent him from ever resuming his collegiate playing career. I hope that is not the case for MP as I would love to see him finally get to play.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 23, 2017 8:55:07 GMT -5
Thanks, 92. I also hope that is not the case with MP. He is a talented player and it would be great to see him put some of that into play for our Crusaders after his hard work at recovery.
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Post by lou on Nov 23, 2017 8:59:18 GMT -5
While we saw Perkins play for one of the first times in the open gym during the football season, I think most were surprised to see him in street cloths once again when the season started.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 23, 2017 9:14:48 GMT -5
By all accounts, the strongest indicator of future success this year are the 6 frosh. Take em when you can get em. If MP is not going to play, take his schollie and replace it with other aid. I agree that you "take em when you can get em." Our 6 frosh have great potential, some of which we have seen. But we need to remember that they are a "work in progress." (For what it is worth, there seemed to be less talking among the players on the court yesterday. Perhaps that is just my observation and it was not the case. You raise an interesting point. Can an athletic scholarship be taken away with some other type of scholarship provided? I am not saying this is what HC needs to do, just wondring if it is at all possible...or does that scholarship still count against the limit? I know we had a player keep a scholarship when he could not play because of a high school injurt (after he had been awarded he scholarship). Might this happen again? If so, how is that done? I think that's what happened with Riley C., but since I am not sure, I won't say another word (sure there are others that can clarify)
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 23, 2017 9:15:21 GMT -5
sorry, did not see '92's response
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 23, 2017 9:42:44 GMT -5
This was a very disappointing loss as many of us thought we should have been up 10 early in the first half--but we failed to convert some seemingly easy baskets. If we had won we'd probably filling a half dozen pages with talk about Caleb Green--what a talent he is. He's played like a senior from the tip off of game one. We will have the hits and misses this year as many have pointed out, but I absolutely love what our prospects are for the next few seasons (and the balance of this one) with this new crew we have brought on board
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Post by hchoops on Nov 23, 2017 9:51:07 GMT -5
At the game were former HC Brooklyn ballers Kevin Greaney and Chris Logan,( with 3 children) and Darren Maloney. The youngest of the refs was .Ed .Corbett Jr. from NYC whose dad, Ed sr. has reffed final fours and still refs, one of the best and a nice guy.
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Post by possum on Nov 23, 2017 11:16:57 GMT -5
Although a disappointing loss when it appeared we were in control for most of the game I am not at all discouraged by what I've seen. I thought this would be a tough season from a wins and losses perspective but my major focus was seeing that the freshmen could play and improve as the season progresses. To date, I think the freshmen have more than held their own and show great promise. Green has been great and looks like he could very well be the rookie of the year and a surefire all league player in the future. Faw has all the tools to be a really good big in the PL and should really improve as he gets stronger. Not sure Butler is the knock down shooter we were hoping for but he will be a major contributor going forward. Grandison seems to be struggling a little finding his role at the moment but I think he will be fine. In my mind he is a key recruit as I had my doubts about using the 6th scholarship last year so he needs to be really good to make that the right decision. Was nice to see Niego step up against Rhody and it looks like he will be a solid contributor as his playing time increases. Obviously the jury is still out on Copeland as he has gotten no playing time. Floyd appears to have made the biggest leap of the returning players and if he can stay on the floor will be a quality big in the PL. Benzan continues to be a rock solid player who makes big plays when needed. Charles has been good in 2 of the 3 games but he needs to be consistently good and not have the highs and lows that have characterized his play in the past. The hole that is the sophomore class will continue to hurt us but it is what it is at this point so we will have to live with the growing pains of the freshmen To date each of the 4 games has followed a similar pattern we have played well for 30-35 minutes then struggled down the stretch. Probably not a surprise playing so many young players and hopefully the pattern will change as they get more experience. All in all I think more positives than negatives and from what I've seen we should win more than the 10 games I predicted at the start of the season.
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Post by bison137 on Nov 23, 2017 11:52:39 GMT -5
I agree that you "take em when you can get em." Our 6 frosh have great potential, some of which we have seen. But we need to remember that they are a "work in progress." (For what it is worth, there seemed to be less talking among the players on the court yesterday. Perhaps that is just my observation and it was not the case. You raise an interesting point. Can an athletic scholarship be taken away with some other type of scholarship provided? I am not saying this is what HC needs to do, just wondring if it is at all possible...or does that scholarship still count against the limit? I know we had a player keep a scholarship when he could not play because of a high school injurt (after he had been awarded he scholarship). Might this happen again? If so, how is that done? I think it would be possible and the same as Criswell. Don’t know the exact details but you basically have to file some paperwork indicating that the player has a medical issue that will prevent him from ever resuming his collegiate playing career. I hope that is not the case for MP as I would love to see him finally get to play. Yes that's correct. As you say, a doctor has to certify that his career is over - that he can never play again. Once it is approved by the NCAA, then his scholarship no longer counts against the limit of 13.
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Post by Tom on Nov 23, 2017 20:41:29 GMT -5
- Looking for the silver lining, after picking up 2 fouls in the first half and being foul prone all season, Floyd didn't get any in the 2nd half
- I agree with ncaam. The current class distribution of 0-5-2-6 doesn't bode well for long term consistency. At this rate, going forward it's going to be bad year/good year
- In terms of Perkins being "cleared to play", he was. Perkins got into the Assumption exhibition, but hasn't dressed since. If he is in fact done, HC will give away his scholarship. I don't think the school will get a doctor to write a bogus letter, But if it's legit, it will happen
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 23, 2017 20:58:53 GMT -5
- - I agree with ncaam. The current class distribution of 0-5-2-6 doesn't bode well for long term consistency. At this rate, going forward it's going to be bad year/good year Class distribution is certainly a major issue, but it may also be equaled by position distribution.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 23, 2017 23:57:04 GMT -5
- Looking for the silver lining, after picking up 2 fouls in the first half and being foul prone all season, Floyd didn't get any in the 2nd half - I agree with ncaam. The current class distribution of 0-5-2-6 doesn't bode well for long term consistency. At this rate, going forward it's going to be bad year/good year - In terms of Perkins being "cleared to play", he was. Perkins got into the Assumption exhibition, but hasn't dressed since. If he is in fact done, HC will give away his scholarship. I don't think the school will get a doctor to write a bogus letter, But if it's legit, it will happen It’s going to be 4 years before we can get bodies in that 0 class barring a transfer or career-ending injury so no real point worrying about it now. It is what it is. Maybe we hold one 2019 scholarship for 2020 to make it 6-0-4-3 in 2020 but we’re going to be out of balance for a while unless Carmody runs some people off, which seems unlikely.
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Post by lou on Nov 24, 2017 15:54:55 GMT -5
...game highlights
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 24, 2017 16:21:16 GMT -5
A horrific display of defense and rebounding.
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Post by crossbball13 on Nov 24, 2017 16:51:48 GMT -5
A horrific display of defense and rebounding. Shocking coming from you. I woke up this morning and thanked God that we lost to FDU away, in an afternoon game on Thanksgiving Eve rather than to a D3 NESCAC team at home. Future is bright.
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Post by ncaam on Nov 24, 2017 17:33:49 GMT -5
Our weakest defender in that game was not a frosh, imho
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 24, 2017 19:01:40 GMT -5
A horrific display of defense and rebounding. Shocking coming from you. I woke up this morning and thanked God that we lost to FDU away, in an afternoon game on Thanksgiving Eve rather than to a D3 NESCAC team at home. Future is bright. Did you think the defense and rebounding looked good? Future is not bright if our fundamentals in defense and rebounding continues like this. End.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 24, 2017 19:03:33 GMT -5
Shocking coming from you. I woke up this morning and thanked God that we lost to FDU away, in an afternoon game on Thanksgiving Eve rather than to a D3 NESCAC team at home. Future is bright. Did you think the defense and rebounding looked good? Future is not bright if our fundamentals in defense and rebounding continues like this. End. This doesn't have nearly as much to do with fundamentals as it does Carm's defensive strategy, but you knew that.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 24, 2017 19:15:35 GMT -5
Did you think the defense and rebounding looked good? Future is not bright if our fundamentals in defense and rebounding continues like this. End. This doesn't have nearly as much to do with fundamentals as it does Carm's defensive strategy, but you knew that. Carm “teaches” a complete lack of physicality on the defensive glass, horrible close outs, allowing easy penetration through the middle of the defense, 3 guys drifting to the ball without any clue what’s behind them, etc.?
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Post by ncaam on Nov 24, 2017 19:30:11 GMT -5
I don’t believe it’s the Xand0 of Carmody‘s defense that has caused our atrocious start on defense. It’s the guys he has recruited. We have no big bigs. Floyd is the best we can throw out there. Maybe by the time they are seniors guys like niego and fall will be able to bang with our Oppo. But right now they cannot defend or rebound on a d1 level.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 24, 2017 19:41:47 GMT -5
They can...but they do have lapses. This will be a good D1 group as they jell. JF is a whole new player this year and HC has two solid guards. The other pieces are coming along. BC has brought in some good recruits and at times they look good in cutting off passing lanes and getting deflections and steals. However, there is the occasional lazy pass that can be tried in high school, but means a sure turnover and breakaway in college. Patience.
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Post by HC1843 on Nov 24, 2017 20:47:13 GMT -5
I don’t believe it’s the Xand0 of Carmody‘s defense that has caused our atrocious start on defense. It’s the guys he has recruited. We have no big bigs. Floyd is the best we can throw out there. Maybe by the time they are seniors guys like niego and fall will be able to bang with our Oppo. But right now they cannot defend or rebound on a d1 level. Are you really going to go down this road again? It's so #$@&^*!ing tiresome. Cheers.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 24, 2017 20:52:14 GMT -5
'43, suggest you make liberal use of the "ignore" feature. Trust me, you'll feel better.
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Post by ncaam on Nov 24, 2017 21:01:34 GMT -5
I don’t believe it’s the Xand0 of Carmody‘s defense that has caused our atrocious start on defense. It’s the guys he has recruited. We have no big bigs. Floyd is the best we can throw out there. Maybe by the time they are seniors guys like niego and fall will be able to bang with our Oppo. But right now they cannot defend or rebound on a d1 level. Are you really going to go down this road again? It's so #$@&^*!ing tiresome. Cheers. I have two heavy hitters on my side, bbc and hch. You don’t like what I post? Lump it.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 24, 2017 21:08:07 GMT -5
How quaint that the three of you have each other...
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