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Post by Tom on Nov 21, 2017 9:48:37 GMT -5
(Although the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that Coach Carm just wanted an easy hop down the NJ Turnpike to get home for Thanksgiving after this game. Not to mention 5 players from either NJ or eastern PA. I was wondering on another thread if everyone was coming back after the game. Although if you miss the bus back to Worcester, not sure how to hustle back Thursday night
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Post by CHC8485 on Nov 21, 2017 11:06:02 GMT -5
I had a dream where we played Stonehill, St. Michael’s, Catholic U, Assumption, & Springfield in the SAME season AND Catholic U and Springfield were on the ROAD!!!
And we played the same 5 the next year and Assumption (gasp!) was on the road.
And we only played 25 - 26 games a year then so over 2 years essentially 20% of our games were against non-DI opponents.
And in the next 2 years we played 3 non-DI teams a year.
Times change. Perhap significantly through our own doing but sometimes not. Stop crying over the spilled milk and try to change what will be.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 21, 2017 11:28:16 GMT -5
I think we should do our utmost to win this game.....
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 21, 2017 11:39:22 GMT -5
I think we should do our utmost to win this game..... Thanks for the reminder of what is most important tomorrow (and every day).
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Post by hcnation on Nov 21, 2017 12:05:10 GMT -5
I had a dream where we played Stonehill, St. Michael’s, Catholic U, Assumption, & Springfield in the SAME season AND Catholic U and Springfield were on the ROAD!!!be. [ But in that same year we could compete with the likes of UConn, Providence, Georgetown, Rhode Island, Fordham, Syracuse, Seton Hall, UMass, St John's , BC and even throw in games with Davidson and Duquesne
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 21, 2017 12:12:40 GMT -5
How many posters will be at FDU to see HC Play tomorrow (2:00 pm)? I do hope some of you can make it. I will be again wearing my CRUSADER shirt...let's talk. (Heck, I even found NJIT's high school level gym to watch HC win there a few seasons ago.)
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Post by CHC8485 on Nov 21, 2017 13:00:52 GMT -5
I had a dream where we played Stonehill, St. Michael’s, Catholic U, Assumption, & Springfield in the SAME season AND Catholic U and Springfield were on the ROAD!!!be. [ But in that same year we could compete with the likes of UConn, Providence, Georgetown, Rhode Island, Fordham, Syracuse, Seton Hall, UMass, St John's , BC and even throw in games with Davidson and Duquesne You simply reinforce the theme about times changing ... You make the assumption that Georgetown, Syracuse, Seton Hall in 1970-71 (to pick pne year) were the same then as now - or even the same then as in 1985. Here are the records of those teams in 1971. Fordham 23 - 6 UMass 23-4 Providence 20 - 8 Syracuse 19 - 7 St. John's 18 - 9 Holy Cross 18 - 8 Fairleigh Dickinson 16 - 7 BC 15 - 11 Georgetown 12 - 14 Seton Hall 11 - 15 UConn 10-14 URI 10-17 Only 1 of them were ranked in the top 20 at the end of the season (Frodham #9) and only 1 other was ranked in the top 20 at any point in the season (St. Johns was #19 the week of Dec 22). And in 1970-71 there were 203 Division 1 schools. Today 351. That's 75% more schools competing for talent. Parents were much more concerned about their kids getting a good Catholic education so kids were more inclined to choose from only Catholic schools Like I said, times change. Many of those listed above changed (Big East) and at first we didn't and then we did in the opposite direction (PL). We all get the history but the the schedules of the 1970s - had their warts and were hardly a guantlet - though the rivalries were certainly stronger and made many more games more passionate and feel like events. And I re-iterate - times change. Look forward and do what you can to make things different now rather than lament what was. Oh and BTW note above - Fairleigh Dickinson (also a Division 1 Independent in 1971) was 16 - 7. Not too shabby.
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Post by res on Nov 21, 2017 15:16:40 GMT -5
I believe that was Digger Phelps' one Fordham team.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 21, 2017 15:30:19 GMT -5
I believe that was Digger Phelps' one Fordham team. that it was. he inherited a strong team, mostly from the NYC Catholic league: Charlie Yelverton, Kenny Charles, Tom Sullivan, George Zambetti et al
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 21, 2017 18:43:17 GMT -5
Zambetti now the Rams orthopaedic surgeon
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Post by southernsader on Nov 21, 2017 20:23:24 GMT -5
Georgetown was 3-23 in the 71-72 season. Along with UConn in those pre-Big East days, they were hot garbage and were not considered rivals or relevant to us at all. New England hoops was all BC, HC, PC and UMass. Rhode Island? Please. I get it. Times have changed.
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Post by sonsofspitler on Nov 21, 2017 23:15:40 GMT -5
Karl Charles unlikely to play tomorrow, per report.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 21, 2017 23:19:27 GMT -5
Karl Charles unlikely to play tomorrow, per report. Freshmen to the rescue
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 22, 2017 9:14:10 GMT -5
Georgetown was 3-23 in the 71-72 season. Along with UConn in those pre-Big East days, they were hot garbage and were not considered rivals or relevant to us at all. New England hoops was all BC, HC, PC and UMass. Rhode Island? Please. I get it. Times have changed. WE changed before the "times" changed. Arrogance, elitism, myopia. No school in history (wait, maybe U of Chicago in football) GAVE it away as did we. I will have more confidence in our new direction when the folly of the past is no longer thought of as a worthy grand vision for which the dirty world was simply not ready. It IS a dead horse; we're the horse. And, so, here we are; the school that was 2-23 is a national powerhouse as both as institution and a hoops school (relax, they'll be back) and we are playing at Fairly Ridiculous on a Wednesday afternoon. OH WELL, LET'S WIN
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 22, 2017 9:44:30 GMT -5
Are you saying we should schedule Coppin State and MD Eastern Shore instead of FDU? They are opponents of Georgetown this year.
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Post by Tom on Nov 22, 2017 9:55:15 GMT -5
Georgetown was 3-23 in the 71-72 season. Along with UConn in those pre-Big East days, they were hot garbage and were not considered rivals or relevant to us at all. New England hoops was all BC, HC, PC and UMass. Rhode Island? Please. I get it. Times have changed. WE changed before the "times" changed. Arrogance, elitism, myopia. No school in history (wait, maybe U of Chicago in football) GAVE it away as did we. I will have more confidence in our new direction when the folly of the past is no longer thought of as a worthy grand vision for which the dirty world was simply not ready.It IS a dead horse; we're the horse. And, so, here we are; the school that was 2-23 is a national powerhouse as both as institution and a hoops school (relax, they'll be back) and we are playing at Fairly Ridiculous on a Wednesday afternoon. OH WELL, LET'S WIN You might have a wait on that one. I still think the concept of actual college students playing college sports is a worthy grand vision. Georgetown is a national powerhouse in hoops, but they also managed to find 12 kids who their admissions department would laugh at if it weren't for the kids' hoops ability. This isn't the bottom quarter of the bell curve, these kids are no where near the Georgetown bell curve. However, there's too much money at stake to have a basketball team that would be representative of the bottom ten percent of the non athletes at Georgetown. It was folly to think that academics would eschew big money and do the right thing. The school has fully admitted that doing away with scholarships was a mistake by reinstating them. However, we are a long way from TPTB saying that having athletes with some reasonable semblance of a typical college student is not a worthy grand vision
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 22, 2017 10:06:22 GMT -5
Oh yea, RGS and Tom. Those were the only two options.
Complete capitulation or accept anyone. That is idiotic and you know it.
When we played and beat Georgetown, BC, St John's, UConn etc, etc., we didn't do it it by accepting morons. We did it accepting kids who were great players and went on to be lawyers, professors, doctors, accountants.
Keep making yourself feel better by pretending that formula couldn't have continued to work with the added advantage of national visability, our games on TV, and people not needing the ask "Holy Cross, where's that?"
Keep telling yourself that.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 22, 2017 10:13:39 GMT -5
If you pick out one game for HC, surely I can pick out two for Georgetown. I would not care to see either of those schools that Georgetown is playing on the HC Schedule. I agree about the reality that good athletes can also be intelligent. Far too much is written off by saying that an athlete probably would not have been "bright" enough to make it at HC. In many cases, that is nonsense. To add to your last point, the announcer for yesterday's women's game kept referring to our team as "The Holy Cross." Perhaps he was a graduate of "The" Ohio State.
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Post by res on Nov 22, 2017 10:14:53 GMT -5
At the risk of rubbing salt into the wounds, many of us who grew up outside of New England who followed college basketball in the northeast thought of New England as Providence, BC and HC. That was it, that's the list. We considered UMass a one-hit wonder. I only knew of UConn as an institution because my Agawam-raised brother-in-law once mentioned it in passing. We knew of URI as a school that once had some famous coach sometime in the distant past. In fact, had we added a fourth school into our consciousness, it probably would have been Fairfield.
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Post by bison137 on Nov 22, 2017 11:28:16 GMT -5
Are you saying we should schedule Coppin State and MD Eastern Shore instead of FDU? They are opponents of Georgetown this year. Some rankings have the Georgetown OOC schedule as the worst in the nation this year. Here are their opponents and Pomeroy rankings from last season: Nov. 12: Jacksonville (275) Nov. 15: Mount St. Mary’s (209) Nov. 18: Maryland Eastern Shore (321) Nov. 25: at Richmond (92) Nov. 28: Maine (337) Dec. 3: Coppin State (343) Dec. 7: Howard (338) Dec. 9: North Carolina A&T (349) Dec. 16: Syracuse (55) Dec. 20: North Texas (320) Dec. 23: Alabama A&M (351) No PL team has ever played an OOC schedule this week.
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 22, 2017 11:34:59 GMT -5
That has NOTHING to do with my point..zero
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Post by dadominate on Nov 22, 2017 11:37:07 GMT -5
Are you saying we should schedule Coppin State and MD Eastern Shore instead of FDU? They are opponents of Georgetown this year. Some rankings have the Georgetown OOC schedule as the worst in the nation this year. Here are their opponents and Pomeroy rankings from last season: Nov. 12: Jacksonville (275) Nov. 15: Mount St. Mary’s (209) Nov. 18: Maryland Eastern Shore (321) Nov. 25: at Richmond (92) Nov. 28: Maine (337) Dec. 3: Coppin State (343) Dec. 7: Howard (338) Dec. 9: North Carolina A&T (349) Dec. 16: Syracuse (55) Dec. 20: North Texas (320) Dec. 23: Alabama A&M (351) No PL team has ever played an OOC schedule this week. i brought this pathetic schedule up months ago when there was complaint about ours. this is literally the worst ooc schedule i've ever seen, period. clearly a win-padding strategy for ewing and georgetown's analogues of the "20 wins baby" camp!
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 22, 2017 11:41:02 GMT -5
I kind of think most PL teams have played an OOC schedule this week (we play "Fairly" Dickinson in a couple of hours) but to your real point, the uproar on Crossports if we played one this weak, would be 180 decibels. [watch the auto-incorrect function!]
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Post by Tom on Nov 22, 2017 11:51:55 GMT -5
Oh yea, RGS and Tom. Those were the only two options. Complete capitulation or accept anyone. That is idiotic and you know it. When we played and beat Georgetown, BC, St John's, UConn etc, etc., we didn't do it it by accepting morons. We did it accepting kids who were great players and went on to be lawyers, professors, doctors, accountants. Keep making yourself feel better by pretending that formula couldn't have continued to work with the added advantage of national visability, our games on TV, and people not needing the ask "Holy Cross, where's that?" Keep telling yourself that. You compared us to Georgetown who used to be less than us in basketball and is now a national powerhouse academically and in hoops. In 1981 they took their hoops team to a whole new level by bringing in a kid who never had a regular class and required an individualized program. The old formula could have worked to a degree. HC could have continued to work that formula and be better than they are today, but I don't think it's reasonable to assume that formula would have kept HC at the same level of national recognition that it had in the 70's. Using your own phrasing, in the late 70's Georgetown had come a long way and there were some great HC-G'Town games. Then in the early 80's they blew by us by accepting morons. HC was off the national radar before they gave up the formula. The worthy grand vision that is so horrible is that old formula. HC can be reasonably successful again, but in the 21st century, a consistent spot in the national spotlight is beyond the reach of a clean program with actual college students playing the game.
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 22, 2017 12:03:21 GMT -5
2 hours to tip off.. I haven’t looked, anyone know of live streaming?
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