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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 23, 2017 11:15:11 GMT -5
Thought it would be fun to track Karl Charles' quest for 1,000 points this season, and who he will pass along the way.
After scoring 17 points yesterday afternoon, Charles has 715 points in his career. Yesterday, he surpassed Ron Perry and AVB.
Next up: Gordon Hamilton (717) and Jared Curry (733).
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 25, 2017 14:48:20 GMT -5
16 points today for Charles, which puts him at 731 points for his career. He passed Gordon Hamilton today.
Next up: Curry (733), Arthur Andreoli (737), John Hightower (741), Dave Mulquin (744), and John Young (755).
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 25, 2017 16:01:58 GMT -5
1,000 points has become a pretty insignificant number with guys playing so much as a frosh.
If you average even 5 PPG as a frosh, you don’t need to average 10 PPG as a soph-senior yo hit 1,000 (assuming 30 games per year).
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 25, 2017 16:37:43 GMT -5
1,000 points has become a pretty insignificant number with guys playing so much as a frosh. If you average even 5 PPG as a frosh, you don’t need to average 10 PPG as a soph-senior yo hit 1,000 (assuming 30 games per year). Thanks, Bring Back. Hope we have four of our freshmen all hit the 1,000 point mark by their junior year. |
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 25, 2017 18:33:30 GMT -5
I think anyone who scores 1,000 career points in 4 seasons should get an asterisk next to his name so as not to diminish all the basketball greats at HC who accomplished that feat in only 3 years. OK . . . . . discuss.  |
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Post by trimster on Nov 26, 2017 20:23:39 GMT -5
I agree with the asterisk comment although we have to remember, our 2 all-time leading scorers would have that designation. Players who average 9 points per game and play 120 games in 4 years, can't be viewed in the same way when it comes to scoring as someone like Keith Hochstein who played in 58 games in 3 years and averaged 21 ppg. Of course there is a lot more to the game of basketball than average points per game or career scoring totals. One of my favorite players to watch over the years was Jave Meade. I believe he averaged 9 points per game.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 26, 2017 21:05:35 GMT -5
1,000 points is a nice round number, an easily recognized milestone, and easy to track towards as SOV is helping us do through this thread. I don't think anyone believes that the 9 or 10 or 11 PPG guys are the same type of scorers as Keith Hochstein or Gene Doyle or Bob Kissane. We also have a record book that lists the top ten scorers on a PPG basis:
28.4= Jack The Shot
23.2= RP JR
22.4= Ed Siudut
22.2= Jim McCaffrey
22.1= Tom Heinsohn
20.4= Togo
20.2= Keith Hochstein
19.5= John Wendelken
19.5= Rob Feaster
18.2= Bob Kissane
I don't have the numbers below that but they'd be easy enough to find out from the archives. The trouble is that if "we" decided that PPG was the better measure for determining admission to the pantheon of great Crusader scorers you'd have to wait until the last game to say "With his performance tonight Joe Flebeitz finishes his career with 15.04 points per game and joins the short list of Crusader immortals..." and that seems kind of clunky to me. Instead we can say some time during junior year or senior year that such and such a player has just hit the 1,000 point milestone...
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 26, 2017 21:14:59 GMT -5
I agree with that, but RM’s 999 still bothers me. |
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 26, 2017 21:15:26 GMT -5
I was kidding about the asterisk but I am certainly old enough to remember the traditionalists wanted an asterisk next to Roger Maris' name because he played in more games the season he broke the Babe's HR record for a season. They eventually removed the asterisk.
Sure, 1,000 point career is still a big thing but we should especially remember the Jack the Shots and Ed Siuduts of our BB history and hold them in especially high esteem.
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Post by Tom on Nov 27, 2017 8:52:45 GMT -5
I think anyone who scores 1,000 career points in 4 seasons should get an asterisk next to his name so as not to diminish all the basketball greats at HC who accomplished that feat in only 3 years. OK . . . . . discuss. On the same line, how about the half dozen or so who wouldn't have made it without a 3 point shot? Where would Jack Foley or Ron Perry Jr be if some of their deep heaves counted for 3? I agree it's easier to get to 1000 than it used to be, but it's still a fun thing to watch. With the amount of minutes this freshman class is playing, it would be a disappointment if there aren't multiple 1000 point scorers in the group |
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 27, 2017 9:04:23 GMT -5
I think KC's 3 pt and FT shooting are very good & very similar strokes... I wonder where he will finish % wise if these stats are kept.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 27, 2017 9:23:15 GMT -5
Here is the "morning line" (allowing for the state mandated takeout) on the number of 1,000 point scorers from among our current freshmen:
6= 99-1
5= 7-1
4= 8-5
3= 7-5
2= 4-1
1= 20-1
0= 99-1
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 27, 2017 9:38:12 GMT -5
I think KC's 3 pt and FT shooting are very good & very similar strokes... I wonder where he will finish % wise if these stats are kept. Karl started the season as #7 on the all-time FT Pctg list at .798 but may have fallen out of the top 10 as he is now at .793 and the #10 player was Devin Brown at .796. So perhaps there are players at .795 or .794 who could claim the #10 place for a few games before KC sharpens his eye and ultimately rejoins the Top 10. As far as three point shooting goes, KC had a poor freshman year (29/102= .284) so he will have to go some to crack the top 10 when he graduates. He's at .338 now while the #10 player is Lorn Davis at .394 (Malachi Alexander is #9 at .399). KC would have to hit at about a .450 rate for his junior and senior years to replace Lorn Davis. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 2, 2017 11:34:44 GMT -5
A disappointing tournament for Charles, who collected just 11 points over the two games, which puts him at 742 points for his career. He passed Jared Curry, Arthur Andreoli, and John Hightower today.
Next up: Dave Mulquin (744), John Young (755), Jim Dee (759), and Josh Sankes (764).
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Post by hchoops on Dec 2, 2017 12:53:00 GMT -5
Sankes, of course, was in two years.
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 4, 2017 14:22:11 GMT -5
Thought it would be fun to track Karl Charles' quest for 1,000 points this season, and who he will pass along the way. After scoring 17 points yesterday afternoon, Charles has 715 points in his career. Yesterday, he surpassed Ron Perry and AVB. Next up: Gordon Hamilton (717) and Jared Curry (733).
Ron Perry???
My recollection is that Ron (Sr.) finished with 991.
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Post by Tom on Dec 4, 2017 14:27:28 GMT -5
Thought it would be fun to track Karl Charles' quest for 1,000 points this season, and who he will pass along the way. After scoring 17 points yesterday afternoon, Charles has 715 points in his career. Yesterday, he surpassed Ron Perry and AVB. Next up: Gordon Hamilton (717) and Jared Curry (733).
Ron Perry???
My recollection is that Ron (Sr.) finished with 991.
If you use the data base on the HC website, it only goes back as far as Perry's junior year and does not include his sophomore year stats |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 4, 2017 16:09:28 GMT -5
well, Ignutz knows he has 991.
The site has complete records for players older than RP Sr.--Cooz, kaftan, etc
why not RP Sr ?
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 4, 2017 16:10:43 GMT -5
hey, I root for Karl as much as anyone, but don't you think this thread is a tick premature ? unless you want it to go through the end of the season, maybe we can suspend it for a month or so. Based on his 11.5 ppg average so far, we're looking at the last regular season game to reach the 1000 mark.
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Post by Tom on Dec 4, 2017 16:17:16 GMT -5
well, Ignutz knows he has 991. The site has complete records for players older than RP Sr.--Cooz, kaftan, etc why not RP Sr ? The site has stats for older players that scored 1000 in one place and a database for everybody that ever played going back to the 1952-53 season. Togo, for example has full stats in the list of 1000 point players, but but like teammate Perry, only two years in the full database. At 991, Perry Sr would not be in the 1000 point club section |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 4, 2017 16:25:42 GMT -5
thanks
I have seen the 1000 point section section often.
How is that data base for all players accessed ?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 4, 2017 16:43:48 GMT -5
thanks I have seen the 1000 point section section often. How is that data base for all players accessed ? Go to men's basketball scroll down to Men's Basketball Links in that section click on "Archives" then look in the "history" section and you'll find "career statistics data base" |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 4, 2017 18:13:41 GMT -5
I don't see what the harm in tracking Charles' quest for 1,000 points this season. I enjoy getting a "blast from the past" with some of the names he surpasses along the way.
Good to know about Ron Perry Sr...
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