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Post by td128 on Dec 6, 2017 7:44:50 GMT -5
Further evidence how this board and selected posters provide endless amounts of comic entertainment. In my view, it is sad rather than comic. Breezy, yes that as well. There are actually many descriptive terms that could be used and only a handful are complimentary. But I guess this is the world of college sports fandom "sitting behind a computer" circa 2017. I'll go refill my popcorn.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 6, 2017 7:56:47 GMT -5
I think we are all still trying to recover from the embarrassment of that UConn game. It was their men vs our boys. Anyone who wants to even 2 minutes of that game could see that we didn't even belong on the same field as them, and I think the final score clearly indicated that. We definitely "won ' the first half. Unfortunately the game had a second half which we 'lost" 20-0. For a final score of 27-20. Then we shut out Bucknell and then destroyed UNH and then... implosion.
The Narrative that we don't even belong on the same field with these BCS teams is just silly. Will we lose to Boston College on September 8th? Probably. Is it possible that the score will be a little bit lopsided? Sure. Will it be a great day and weekend to be a Crusader? Undoubtedly. I for one am excited about these step up games and what they represent for our football program, our college and our brand. I heard many say both on this board and in person, that the UConn game was a huge mistake and we were going to get hurt and embarrassed. Clearly that didn't happen, and why don't we look forward to BC, Navy etc as exciting opportunities.
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Post by joe on Dec 6, 2017 8:04:08 GMT -5
No doubt it was a great thing to schedule these games. Only issue is that as part of scheduling these games, there was an expectation that the program would have advanced to the point where we can give a decent showing. BC is a tight spot given the coaching change, probably a new QD, and a lot of new players. New coach and current team have a big task ahead of them opening with 'gate and then playing BC next. Stating the obvious I suppose. Absolutely need these games on the schedule, though, if we expect to have a shot at FCS prominence.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 6, 2017 8:33:12 GMT -5
Honorable Dean: think you could merge this thread into any one of the several others on more or less the same topic. Thanks in advance.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 6, 2017 8:48:21 GMT -5
Parlor game...what killed Holy Cross football more? Tom Gilmore or the Patriot League? My answer would be "losing." I guess that is "none of the above."
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 6, 2017 9:14:13 GMT -5
So the more I follow this Forum/Blog the greater understanding I get as to why I as a parent shouldn't pay attention. I played Football in College for a short stretch and never, in any way have thought the program was mine always belonged to the kids, ALWAYS. I still root for them and throw a few dollars their way, watch MAC-tion midweek after baseball is over etc, they may stink but whenever I cross paths with an old teammate or bump into one of the 15-20 guys I know that coached or played there in years to follow it's always a great pleasure. This page seems to indicate the opposite and I know for a fact the few Holy Cross Football people I know share almost none of this bitterness being spoken about here and believe me I know Degenhardt a whole bunch better than all on this Board. “always belonged to the kids” Couldn’t agree more. The only real point I’m trying to make is that as someone who has been one of these kids I can’t fathom someone with loose ties to the program taking so much time or interest in disparaging a program and coach. It’s certainly not my program, But having been a part of it and still wanting to see ithem succeed - Threads like this tend to get under my skin. Apologies for the public display.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 6, 2017 9:40:38 GMT -5
No doubt it was a great thing to schedule these games. Only issue is that as part of scheduling these games, there was an expectation that the program would have advanced to the point where we can give a decent showing. BC is a tight spot given the coaching change, probably a new QD, and a lot of new players. New coach and current team have a big task ahead of them opening with 'gate and then playing BC next. Stating the obvious I suppose. Absolutely need these games on the schedule, though, if we expect to have a shot at FCS prominence. Please let us know what part of the showing at the Connecticut game was not honorable.
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Post by joe on Dec 6, 2017 9:57:10 GMT -5
I'm certainly not implying the UConn wasn't "honorable." Why use a term like that? The effort against UConn was incredible, and I was very proud. The refs made two horrendous calls that I feel cost us the game. We followed that game up with great outings against Bucknell and shocking blowout win at UNH. If you had told me at that point, that we'd be having conversations like this on December 6 I would have said you were nuts. I don't know where that particular team went wrong, but that team is both literally and figuratively gone. Even the coach and many of the key players are gone. So a vastly different team is going to line up against BC next year. I'm praying it is an improved and re-energized team, and that we get a coach who can make it happen in short course. We'll need the cream of the crop for that. All I'm trying to point out is that this BC game is going to be a challenge significantly greater that what was originally envisioned by Regan. Additionally, after watching some UConn and BC football this year, BC is far superior to UConn in many way. I'm not sure where anything I've said can be misinterpreted as anything other that truthful and honest commentary from the perspective of someone who wants HC to succeed as much as anyone. Most of what I'm saying is factual more than opinion, and in an effort to further underscore how important this particular hire is. This is not just another changing of the guard. This needs to be a culture change from the top down.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 6, 2017 10:00:50 GMT -5
Joe, Thanks for that explanation.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 6, 2017 10:06:53 GMT -5
Parlor game...what killed Holy Cross football more? Tom Gilmore or the Patriot League? My answer would be "losing." I guess that is "none of the above." I'd go with "none of the above" but my "none" would fall under "administrative oversight" (or, better still mis-management). Which begat losing.
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 6, 2017 10:45:01 GMT -5
I believe the very post that got me in "Hot Water" asked the same question, What in the heck happened at UCONN that was not a great step for Holy Cross Football. Football players don't care how it looked to anyone else, they care about how they battled and how much dignity and respect they leave the field with. I have never in my entire life heard a player ask anyone other than their parents "What did you Think" never a reporter, a fan or a friend only the guys on the field. Keep your opinions to yourself if questioning the kids ability to compete is a tasteless and unnecessary commentary belittling their efforts. Amen
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 6, 2017 10:55:59 GMT -5
Please bear in mind what time indianhoop is posting -- sometimes, this tells us everything we need to know.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 6, 2017 12:29:23 GMT -5
I think any person who has been on this board for any length of time knows that there are some posters, like hc87, that act like proponents of the program, but are continuously and notoriously negative. Indeed, their MO is to attack beyond the point of fair criticism. Whether an attempt to be glib or just mean, I don't know, but to question the ability or accomplishment of playing for HC in the post 1991 period, is surely one thing - stupid. Being a fan, attending games, donating money, are all important facets of supporting the program, regardless of how long you have done so. However, even if you have long attended games and followed the teams, if you really feel that the program is terrible, the players are not accomplished, or the teams don't belong on the same field as some other programs, you are not a fan or supporter, you're just an asshole who does not really understand football.
They look at long ago successes as a barometer to measure the very different world the program now occupies. They have no vision or genuine desire to see the program succeed in the present environment. There have been some down years and that is not something any of us cheer. However, if you are not on board with the most of the goals below, you are simply a curmudgeon who lives in the past. Immediate goals for program over next 5 years: 1. Consistently compete for and Win PL title 2. Win playoff games 3. Schedule as many FBS games as possible, preferably in other parts of the country. This will deliver the HC brand to more recruits in other regions. 4. Play well in FBS games. We did vs. UConn. BC will he more difficult. Syracuse will be difficult. Army is a game that go either way, but is certainly a winnable game.
If the above goals are accomplished, we will have continually improved recruiting classes, and thus the program will continue to progress. If the program progresses, then we can start to entertain the more extreme positions espoused here, e.g. leaving the PL, joining the CAA, etc.
Essentially, viewing the program through the lens of the past is not as helpful for the progess of the program as viewing the program from the starting point of today, i.e. new coach, new era. Arguably, it is a regressive mindset, and does not nothing to get us where we all want to be.
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Post by hc2489 on Dec 6, 2017 13:04:48 GMT -5
Hey...I could have played football at Holy Cross during the PL-era....not that much of an accomplishment. Regardless of your opinion on the level of HC football in the PL-era, playing 1-AA football while attending and graduating from HC is an accomplishment, and an impressive one too.
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Post by deep Purple on Dec 6, 2017 13:15:38 GMT -5
Is this still a division 1 football program?
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Post by billy72 on Dec 6, 2017 13:21:34 GMT -5
We don’t Army on the schedule in near future. Navy yes but not Army.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 6, 2017 13:24:17 GMT -5
We don’t Army on the schedule in near future. Navy yes but not Army. My bad. Tougher game. We can hang in there. Their ground based run game will wear on us, but should be able to score. I guess Army won't schedule us since we beat them in the PL era.
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Post by purple1 on Dec 6, 2017 13:44:58 GMT -5
Army in 2021 or 2022 is scheduled.
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Post by billy72 on Dec 6, 2017 14:45:53 GMT -5
We don’t have Army on the schedule in near future. Navy yes but not Army. Can anyone confirm this ?
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 6, 2017 15:19:07 GMT -5
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Post by joe on Dec 6, 2017 15:32:17 GMT -5
I think there is a tentative plan to play Army but it hasn't been finalized to the point that it can appear on the future schedules yet.
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Post by lou on Dec 7, 2017 13:35:11 GMT -5
I think there is a tentative plan to play Army but it hasn't been finalized to the point that it can appear on the future schedules yet. 2023
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Post by wheeler5 on Dec 7, 2017 20:52:54 GMT -5
Immediate goals for program over next 5 years: 1. Consistently compete for and Win PL title 2. Win playoff games 3. Schedule as many FBS games as possible, preferably in other parts of the country. This will deliver the HC brand to more recruits in other regions. 4. Play well in FBS games. We did vs. UConn. BC will he more difficult. Syracuse will be difficult. Army is a game that go either way, but is certainly a winnable game. A sincere question: Is this official doctrine?I'm new here and I'm sure I've missed a lot. Based on what I've seen the last few years, I would say yes. Me personally, I'd be very happy just to achieve #1. As someone said, beware of elegant plans. Don't want to be negative, but are kids in the rest of the country want to play here if they see us getting our asses handed to us? Are we too good for the Patriot League? If we win the PL championship, let's say, five times in a row, then I'll say yes..
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 7, 2017 21:38:23 GMT -5
Immediate goals for program over next 5 years: 1. Consistently compete for and Win PL title 2. Win playoff games 3. Schedule as many FBS games as possible, preferably in other parts of the country. This will deliver the HC brand to more recruits in other regions. 4. Play well in FBS games. We did vs. UConn. BC will he more difficult. Syracuse will be difficult. Army is a game that go either way, but is certainly a winnable game. A sincere question: Is this official doctrine?I'm new here and I'm sure I've missed a lot. Based on what I've seen the last few years, I would say yes. Me personally, I'd be very happy just to achieve #1. As someone said, beware of elegant plans. Don't want to be negative, but are kids in the rest of the country want to play here if they see us getting our asses handed to us? Are we too good for the Patriot League? I may be in the minority here, but I don't think so. There is nothing "official" on this board. The above is my opinion as to what the goals should be. TD128 will post information based on what the Friends of HC Crusader Football are doing.
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Post by wheeler5 on Dec 7, 2017 22:12:32 GMT -5
I hope somebody knows what the strategy for HC football is has this ever been articulated by far Our Father Burroughs or adnp?
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