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Post by purplehaze on Jan 11, 2018 13:39:48 GMT -5
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 11, 2018 13:55:13 GMT -5
Sounds to me like he didn't get along to well with Coach..Just plain unhappy with the program....IF that is the case, it really is best for both the program and he to part...
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 11, 2018 14:05:05 GMT -5
Sounds to me like he didn't get along to well with Coach..Just plain unhappy with the program....IF that is the case, it really is best for both the program and he to part... The Siena board going a little ape over this situation, most pointing the finger at Patsos - main thread on the subject is at eighteen pages and counting. |
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Post by dadominate on Jan 11, 2018 14:05:17 GMT -5
i think there are a few reasons for the transfer bug that even occasionally gives rise even to multiple transfers during a college career, ala jahad "the best hc recruit in 40 years" proctor, but one reason that sticks out the most. it is becoming increasingly common for transferring during high school. this sets the stage for the same mentality in college. i am amazed at how few elite baltimore high school players begin and finish at one high school. i attended a high-level high school game last night that had 6 or 7 d1 commits/underclassmen with high d1 interest or offers. at least 5 players in this game had begun their high school career elsewhere. these were just the impact players that i knew of. none of these players are transferring because of academics, quality of life, etc. it is all about where they think they get the most visibility, and sadly, sometimes shoe contract/aau related. even players on the lower end of the college recruiting spectrum (offer from wagner, apparent interest from bucknell and loyola) have this type of rationale as evidenced by his comments. btw, i hope this kid stays away from bucknell or loyola as he is so physical he might literally injure some of our players (though our guys will clearly get stronger in time) www.prephoops.com/2017/08/recruiting-report-eric-turner-2018/here's another story from another high school transfer in last night's game (was being recruited by hc and other patriot league schools, but committed to d1 southern utah) that despite the "academics" comment (calvert hall is an excellent school) reveals a style of play preference. also note that the freshman point guard who already has interest from essentially every high major chose dulaney (in northern baltimore county where he lives) over dematha in washington, dc... over an hour and a half away from home! there is no way che evans (number one freshman in america last year, stock dropped after a major injury) finishes his career at dulaney as his on-court moping and tuning the coach out during timeouts is reminiscent of what we saw at hc from one of our recent players although in evans' situation, he is so talented that every high school in the region is texting him constantly (no rules for high school tampering) and he is as good as gone by the end of the year. www.prephoops.com/2017/07/2018-g-josh-cornish-transferring-dulaney-expectations-new-interests/maybe some of our other coaches/big high school hoops fans can comment on whether this is as pervasive in their cities, but in my view, high school transfermania this is by far the biggest reason why we see so many college transfers now and it is really hurting the game. |
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Post by bison137 on Jan 11, 2018 14:22:51 GMT -5
I doubt many will want him - if they have to use up two scholarship years to get one year of play. Clareth left the team last year for eight games in the middle of the season due to unhappiness with his role. He was also suspended for the first few games for violation of team rules. Then he again left the team five games ago. Had some negotiations with Patsos' assistant coach and it was finally decided it didn't make sense to have him come back. Patsos has jerked him around a lot - but his conduct has still been over the top. |
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Post by hchoops on Jan 11, 2018 15:40:05 GMT -5
i think there are a few reasons for the transfer bug that even occasionally gives rise even to multiple transfers during a college career, ala jahad "the best hc recruit in 40 years" proctor, but one reason that sticks out the most. it is becoming increasingly common for transferring during high school. this sets the stage for the same mentality in college. i am amazed at how few elite baltimore high school players begin and finish at one high school. i attended a high-level high school game last night that had 6 or 7 d1 commits/underclassmen with high d1 interest or offers. at least 5 players in this game had begun their high school career elsewhere. these were just the impact players that i knew of. none of these players are transferring because of academics, quality of life, etc. it is all about where they think they get the most visibility, and sadly, sometimes shoe contract/aau related. even players on the lower end of the college recruiting spectrum (offer from wagner, apparent interest from bucknell and loyola) have this type of rationale as evidenced by his comments. btw, i hope this kid stays away from bucknell or loyola as he is so physical he might literally injure some of our players (though our guys will clearly get stronger in time) www.prephoops.com/2017/08/recruiting-report-eric-turner-2018/here's another story from another high school transfer in last night's game (was being recruited by hc and other patriot league schools, but committed to d1 southern utah) that despite the "academics" comment (calvert hall is an excellent school) reveals a style of play preference. also note that the freshman point guard who already has interest from essentially every high major chose dulaney (in northern baltimore county where he lives) over dematha in washington, dc... over an hour and a half away from home! there is no way che evans (number one freshman in america last year, stock dropped after a major injury) finishes his career at dulaney as his on-court moping and tuning the coach out during timeouts is reminiscent of what we saw at hc from one of our recent players although in evans' situation, he is so talented that every high school in the region is texting him constantly (no rules for high school tampering) and he is as good as gone by the end of the year. www.prephoops.com/2017/07/2018-g-josh-cornish-transferring-dulaney-expectations-new-interests/maybe some of our other coaches/big high school hoops fans can comment on whether this is as pervasive in their cities, but in my view, high school transfermania this is by far the biggest reason why we see so many college transfers now and it is really hurting the game. Yes, Dado. It has been a big problem in NYC - NJ for a number of years and has spread to Long Island recently. Tom Konchalski believes it to be one of the worst trends to occur in HS hoops in a long time. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 11, 2018 16:39:31 GMT -5
NJ may soon make all other states look like pikers when it comes to high school athletics and eligibility. There is a bill waiting to be signed by the governor that will allow for the creation of "super teams" and for one athlete to play for the teams of as many as three separate schools each year. The largest schools (Groups III and IV in NJ) can combine teams in selected sports (football being number one in that regard, followed by Ice hockey - ice time is not cheap) and then all others. Home schooled athletes can also attend a local high school, and if an athlete want to play a sport that his/her school does not offer, then he/she can play for one that does. One example given was Wayne Hills and Wayne Valley. They could combine to become the "largest" football program in NJ and then add on athletes who are home schooled or from private/parochial schools that do not offer a particular sport. The question being asked is...who will they play against that could be a fair match-up?
Also, the legislation makes transfers easier with immediate eligibility. Hello recruiting and athletes jumping to elite programs from all over. The NJ State Atletic Association is asking people to write to the governor urging him to veto this nightmare in waiting.
Will these athletes then be expected to give their loyalty to one college if a "better offer" is out there? We'll see how this develops.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 11, 2018 16:42:04 GMT -5
Insanity
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Post by ncaam on Jan 11, 2018 17:47:20 GMT -5
We know well the transfer bugaboo.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 11, 2018 17:54:33 GMT -5
NJ may soon make all other states look like pikers when it comes to high school athletics and eligibility. There is a bill waiting to be signed by the governor that will allow for the creation of "super teams" and for one athlete to play for the teams of as many as three separate schools each year. The largest schools (Groups III and IV in NJ) can combine teams in selected sports (football being number one in that regard, followed by Ice hockey - ice time is not cheap) and then all others. Home schooled athletes can also attend a local high school, and if an athlete want to play a sport that his/her school does not offer, then he/she can play for one that does. One example given was Wayne Hills and Wayne Valley. They could combine to become the "largest" football program in NJ and then add on athletes who are home schooled or from private/parochial schools that do not offer a particular sport. The question being asked is...who will they play against that could be a fair match-up? Also, the legislation makes transfers easier with immediate eligibility. Hello recruiting and athletes jumping to elite programs from all over. The NJ State Atletic Association is asking people to write to the governor urging him to veto this nightmare in waiting. Will these athletes then be expected to give their loyalty to one college if a "better offer" is out there? We'll see how this develops. Where is the support for this bill coming from? Is it a bill that started with one sport in mind (looks like hockey, and for the $ reasons you mention)? The last two kids from our town that went to private schools (one after a year or two of public high schools) both ended up playing Division 3 basketball....which is exactly the level they would have played at if they stayed at the public school (as others from the school have done). One of the two kids went to 3 schools, two private and one Catholic. Even with some tuition breaks still had to cost his parents the equivalent of 2 years of college. |
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jan 11, 2018 18:23:02 GMT -5
We know well the transfer bugaboo. Yessir Rashad Wackaboo |
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Post by possum on Jan 11, 2018 18:31:24 GMT -5
Dado to be fair Proctor only transferred once, if you remember he asked for a release from LOI when Brown was fired which we denied and for all intents and purposes killed any small chance there was to re-recruit him.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 11, 2018 18:34:10 GMT -5
NJ may soon make all other states look like pikers when it comes to high school athletics and eligibility. There is a bill waiting to be signed by the governor that will allow for the creation of "super teams" and for one athlete to play for the teams of as many as three separate schools each year. The largest schools (Groups III and IV in NJ) can combine teams in selected sports (football being number one in that regard, followed by Ice hockey - ice time is not cheap) and then all others. Home schooled athletes can also attend a local high school, and if an athlete want to play a sport that his/her school does not offer, then he/she can play for one that does. One example given was Wayne Hills and Wayne Valley. They could combine to become the "largest" football program in NJ and then add on athletes who are home schooled or from private/parochial schools that do not offer a particular sport. The question being asked is...who will they play against that could be a fair match-up? Also, the legislation makes transfers easier with immediate eligibility. Hello recruiting and athletes jumping to elite programs from all over. The NJ State Atletic Association is asking people to write to the governor urging him to veto this nightmare in waiting. Will these athletes then be expected to give their loyalty to one college if a "better offer" is out there? We'll see how this develops. Where is the support for this bill coming from? Is it a bill that started with one sport in mind (looks like hockey, and for the $ reasons you mention)? The last two kids from our town that went to private schools (one after a year or two of public high schools) both ended up playing Division 3 basketball....which is exactly the level they would have played at if they stayed at the public school (as others from the school have done). One of the two kids went to 3 schools, two private and one Catholic. Even with some tuition breaks still had to cost his parents the equivalent of 2 years of college. There is bi-partisan support for this in the state legislature..chiefly from Democrats, but both parties have bought into this. The NJSIAA was not consulted and is totally opposed. There was a landmark case over two large private schools that were denied the right to combine football teams. Then other sports were added on until it now encompasses every sport. This is a cluster-flick if ever there was one. |
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Post by Xmassader on Jan 11, 2018 22:00:24 GMT -5
For HS transfer issues in Michigan, google the name Thomas Kithier—a hearing in federal court took place today regarding his transfer and eligibility.
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Post by ncaam on Jan 12, 2018 6:53:56 GMT -5
Dado to be fair Proctor only transferred once, if you remember he asked for a release from LOI when Brown was fired which we denied and for all intents and purposes killed any small chance there was to re-recruit him. I was actually thinking of Hahn and Stacom. Proctor never transferred from HC |
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Post by Tom on Jan 12, 2018 12:32:46 GMT -5
Dado to be fair Proctor only transferred once, if you remember he asked for a release from LOI when Brown was fired which we denied and for all intents and purposes killed any small chance there was to re-recruit him. I was actually thinking of Hahn and Stacom. Proctor never transferred from HC On the flip side, McCaffery and Sankes transferred in |
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