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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 27, 2018 23:14:51 GMT -5
While randomly glancing at HS Track & Field results, I happened to see that a Jimmy Zignorski of Pope John (NJ) finished second at the New Balance Games in the 2 Mile with a time of 9:49. Assuming this must be Matt's little brother. This particular meet, at The Armory in Manhattan, is very competitive. Would love to see JImmy, a senior, run for the Crusaders next year. This time, which would likely project close to 10 seconds faster outdoors, would be good enough to run at any Patriot League and most Ivies.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 28, 2018 11:20:02 GMT -5
Has a 4:31 indoor 1600M this year so would project as a solid competitor in the Patriot League outdoor season next year.
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Post by Xmassader on Jan 28, 2018 16:50:35 GMT -5
Same high school as Matt. Your assumption is probably correct.
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Post by alum on Jan 28, 2018 21:17:50 GMT -5
Looks like he ran 15:47 for 5000 meters in XC on one occasion. Regularly ran in 16:20 range. The kid is good
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Post by bison137 on Jan 28, 2018 22:48:08 GMT -5
Looks like he ran 15:47 for 5000 meters in XC on one occasion. Regularly ran in 16:20 range. The kid is good Fwiw, he finished 39th in NJ's all-groups race. HIs 15:36 was just over a minute behind the winner. At this point, he seems to be better in XC than in track. As far as being competitive in PL track, that could happen - but he will have to improve a lot. Thus far this winter, 13 PL runners have gone faster than 4:15 for the mile and 54 have gone 4:30 or faster. As they get closer to the PL championships, more will go under 4:15. Zignorski's fastest time, when converted from the 1600 to the mile, is just over 4:33. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 29, 2018 5:46:21 GMT -5
Looks like he ran 15:47 for 5000 meters in XC on one occasion. Regularly ran in 16:20 range. The kid is good One thing that you need to remember about XC...every course presents different challenges. That time might be outstanding on a hilly course with trails and turns. On a "fast" course over grass (such as a golf course or athletic fields for example) it might be only average. Do you know what sort of a cross country course he ran on when he got that 15:47? |
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Post by alum on Jan 29, 2018 7:23:48 GMT -5
Looks like he ran 15:47 for 5000 meters in XC on one occasion. Regularly ran in 16:20 range. The kid is good One thing that you need to remember about XC...every course presents different challenges. That time might be outstanding on a hilly course with trails and turns. On a "fast" course over grass (such as a golf course or athletic fields for example) it might be only average. Do you know what sort of a cross country course he ran on when he got that 15:47? Agree that every course is different. So long as the course is properly measured, and I am sure that the NJ All Groups course is accurate, the fact that he has at least twice run in the 15:40 range is evidence that he is a talented kid. Bison is right, of course, that his mile and two mile times, while good for a high schooler show that he still has a ways to go before being likely to score in a collegiate championship meet. He would be welcome on the roster of any team in the PL (and most other places, for that matter) as a freshman next year. |
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Post by hcpride on Jan 29, 2018 7:28:15 GMT -5
Looks like he ran 15:47 for 5000 meters in XC on one occasion. Regularly ran in 16:20 range. The kid is good Fwiw, he finished 39th in NJ's all-groups race. HIs 15:36 was just over a minute behind the winner. At this point, he seems to be better in XC than in track. As far as being competitive in PL track, that could happen - but he will have to improve a lot. Thus far this winter, 13 PL runners have gone faster than 4:15 for the mile and 54 have gone 4:30 or faster. As they get closer to the PL championships, more will go under 4:15. Zignorski's fastest time, when converted from the 1600 to the mile, is just over 4:33. My quote regarding competitive running was carefully worded: "Has a 4:31 indoor 1600M this year so would project as a solid competitor in the Patriot League outdoor season next year." (No doubt 4:31 now is not close to a scoring time....but a full year from now following a full high school spring season, a rigorous summer, a real college cross-country season, a real college winter track season, etc. could be solidly competitive (not necessarily scoring of course)).
I won't bore you with stories of particular northeast 4:31 indoor kids knocking it down 10 seconds by the end of their high school spring season several months later ...and then going on to college...
(And I repeat the wise RGS caution above regarding XC courses and conditions and times )
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Post by hcpride on Jan 29, 2018 7:40:12 GMT -5
One thing that you need to remember about XC...every course presents different challenges. That time might be outstanding on a hilly course with trails and turns. On a "fast" course over grass (such as a golf course or athletic fields for example) it might be only average. Do you know what sort of a cross country course he ran on when he got that 15:47? Agree that every course is different. So long as the course is properly measured, and I am sure that the NJ All Groups course is accurate, the fact that he has at least twice run in the 15:40 range is evidence that he is a talented kid. Bison is right, of course, that his mile and two mile times, while good for a high schooler show that he still has a ways to go before being likely to score in a collegiate championship meet. He would be welcome on the roster of any team in the PL (and most other places, for that matter) as a freshman next year. Slightly different topic but I have had runners go on to colleges that seem to really limit male participation on track/cross country. Some in that 4:27/9:35 range. Yet girls with the same or similar quality wind up 'recruited'. I don't follow PL track so I don't know if that is the case. |
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Post by alum on Jan 29, 2018 7:46:04 GMT -5
Agree that every course is different. So long as the course is properly measured, and I am sure that the NJ All Groups course is accurate, the fact that he has at least twice run in the 15:40 range is evidence that he is a talented kid. Bison is right, of course, that his mile and two mile times, while good for a high schooler show that he still has a ways to go before being likely to score in a collegiate championship meet. He would be welcome on the roster of any team in the PL (and most other places, for that matter) as a freshman next year. Slightly different topic but I have had runners go on to colleges that seem to really limit male participation on track/cross country. Some in that 4:27/9:35 range. Yet girls with the same or similar quality wind up 'recruited'. I don't follow PL track so I don't know if that is the case. Agree there are some which is actually why I edited my original post from "almost all" to "most." I know a kid who was a 49.9 400 meter, 1:56 800 meter runner (who had not run for his whole high school career.) He went to UCONN and half way through indoor, the coach told a dozen kids, including him, that he didn't have time to train so many kids and that they were done. I think most kids who want can run at at PL school but many self select out. Also agree that kids can improve in college. I certainly did by 20 seconds in the 1500, 50 seconds in the 3000 and 90 seconds in the 5000. Track is a great sport. There are plenty of kids who think, sometimes correctly, that they did not get a fair shot in baseball/soccer/basketball/ lacrosse etc. through grade school and middle school, who turn to track, swimming, tennis, golf and wrestling in high school and prove themselves. |
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Post by HC92 on Feb 15, 2018 11:15:14 GMT -5
Jimmy is headed to Lafayette next year.
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Post by alum on Feb 15, 2018 11:26:59 GMT -5
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