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Post by ncaam on Feb 2, 2018 12:50:13 GMT -5
The newspaper changing its name? Who cares. Have not read The Crusader since I graduated. This just gives me added reason to avoid it. The school is a horse of a purple color. Lose the Crusader, lose me. Simple as that.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 2, 2018 12:51:35 GMT -5
Someone posted on Crossports the results of a student poll, unless I am having yet another phantom memory. If it was posted, I would appreciate a more expert techie find and re-post the results of that poll.
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Post by Tom on Feb 2, 2018 13:04:55 GMT -5
Someone posted on Crossports the results of a student poll, unless I am having yet another phantom memory. If it was posted, I would appreciate a more expert techie find and re-post the results of that poll. IIRC, "change" came in 3rd behind "keep" and "don't care" However, the "keep" votes did not form a majority
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Post by ts1970 on Feb 2, 2018 13:10:17 GMT -5
In the event the Crusader is dropped: Perhaps if enough alumni stop donating and make known that it is for this specific reason, the BOT would reconsider its fallacious decision.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 2, 2018 13:16:23 GMT -5
The poll on this Board was like 25-5 iirc
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 2, 2018 13:21:20 GMT -5
Thanks. I knew what the Crossports poll showed. I was thinking of the student poll.
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Post by hcnation on Feb 2, 2018 13:35:42 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Feb 2, 2018 13:44:40 GMT -5
The Crusades, Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski saved christianity and western civilization from the saracens. Sure there were atrocities not unlike my lai and abu ghraib. But in the main it was a noble cause. Get rid of the Crusader? Then get rid of the Cross they took up, the Catholic Church that sanctioned the Crusades and the Jesuit cult.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 2, 2018 13:52:43 GMT -5
Jesuit cult???
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 2, 2018 14:02:34 GMT -5
Thanks. I knew what the Crossports poll showed. I was thinking of the student poll. The post about the student poll, IIRC, was made by td128, The poll showed a substantial majority of those responding to the poll as favoring retaining the Crusader name for the newspaper. However, the poll results, to my knowledge, were never published in the newspaper (I looked at the time). I then had a question of whether the poll was actually sponsored by the newspaper, or someone else, and what was the phrasing of the poll question. The current editorial board of the Crusader explained why they changed the name. This goes back to the actions of crusaders on the crusades (although they only referenced the First). St. Pope John Paul II apologized for the actions of the crusaders. Which from my perspective creates a conundrum for a Catholic institution: why would HC honor men whose actions a Pope, and now saint, apologized for?
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 2, 2018 14:23:06 GMT -5
Because this is not an area of papal infallibility?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 2, 2018 15:11:13 GMT -5
I don’t really care if the newspaper is called The Crusader, The Spire, The SJW Post, or whatever.
But what I do care about is that nobody in the administration has the cajones to stand up against this madness. There is a glaring lack of leadership in Fenwick.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 2, 2018 15:57:49 GMT -5
I don’t really care if the newspaper is called The Crusader, The Spire, The SJW Post, or whatever. But what I do care about is that nobody in the administration has the cajones to stand up against this madness. There is a glaring lack of leadership in Fenwick. Sounds like you are aware of what the final decision is---could you tell us what it is?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 2, 2018 16:17:47 GMT -5
I don’t really care if the newspaper is called The Crusader, The Spire, The SJW Post, or whatever. But what I do care about is that nobody in the administration has the cajones to stand up against this madness. There is a glaring lack of leadership in Fenwick. Sounds like you are aware of what the final decision is---could you tell us what it is? Well, The Crusader has changed it's name and nobody had the spine to get involved with that process. I don't know what the final decision is/will be for the mascot, but nobody has had the spine to step up and have a POV to set the tone for that entire process. The whole process was allowed to be manipulated by the SJWs, rather than the administration stepping up to the plate and standing up for the school against people who are only getting involved because they have become addicted to virtue signaling and being offended.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 2, 2018 17:02:26 GMT -5
IMO, the Jesuit cultists did it. The two provincials. As I have said before, it was no mere spontaneous happenstance that HC decided to review the matter of slave-owning Healys.
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The argument that HC used in retaining Mulledy was that Mulledy had been sent to Nice for reflection and penance, and in the spirit of a forgiving church, his transgressions were forgiven.
There is no such forgiveness of the medieval crusaders, none is possible. They were granted general absolution, so any murders, rapes, pillaging committed were never sins. Thus, the church can only offer an apology.
A thoroughly pissed Innocent III on the granting of general absolution to Peter, Cardinal Priest of the Title of St. Marcellus, Legate of the Apostolic See.
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Post by ts1970 on Feb 2, 2018 17:32:04 GMT -5
I believe Thomas Jefferson had some slaves only 200 or so years ago (let alone the Middle Ages) and slavery was a terrible, terrible practice......so why don’t the PC police petition to rip his face off Mt. Rushmore? ................incredible PC bull#@*&$~!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 2, 2018 18:00:43 GMT -5
That may well be coming
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Post by hchoops on Feb 2, 2018 19:59:36 GMT -5
Does anyone know when the BOT will release their decision ?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 3, 2018 6:12:36 GMT -5
With respect to timing of the announcement, I would think it would take several days to write up the announcement and the rationale behind it. The main purpose of the February meeting of the BoT is to set the general outline of the college's budget for 2020-21, so, for example, ADNP will know how many scollies he can offer for the class entering in the fall of 2020. The recruiting would take place in the 2019-2020 budget year, but the grant awards are for the 2020-2121 budget year. It would not surprise me at all if the BoT, at this meeting, gave the go-ahead to construct the student rec center. __________________________ Article in the metro section of the Globe: AP byline. Though I don't know whether the Globe or the AP wrote the headline, which is specifically rebutted by the article itself. The headline is: "Holy Cross newspaper changes name over KKK confusion"www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/02/02/mass-college-newspaper-changes-name-over-negative-connotations/36Hp39UP0CtHoVO9G7SdjI/story.html________________________ Bill Simmons is not happy. __________________________ With respect to the crusades themselves. the church greatly incentivized participation in the crusades by awarding plenary indulgences (wipe the slate clean with respect to past sins), and general absolution (wipe the slate clean with regard to future transgressions that could occur during the specific crusade). It was the granting of the latter that Innocent III is railing about in his letter to the apostolic legate. Innocent III faulted the granting of general absolution prior to the crusaders deciding to sack Constantinople. Thus, of their many crimes (sins) in Constantinople, none could be punished by the church or by God. Innocent III also appears to lament the absolution granted the Venetians. The Venetians merely ferried the crusaders across the Adriatic, but as payment accepted loot and plunder from Constantinople including relics, crosses, and other religious objects ripped from the churches. Because of the absolution, which was erroneously granted, the Venetians got a free ticket to heaven as well. ^^^ Feel free to correct my understanding of theological precepts.
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 3, 2018 9:53:13 GMT -5
A very long-standing member of the Jesuit community, well-known to all of us in this site, told me last weekend that a recent poll of students showed 86% in favor of retaining the Crusader name for our sports teams.
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 3, 2018 9:59:21 GMT -5
'The Spire' why not the plural? symbolism or just grammar??
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 3, 2018 10:26:59 GMT -5
I don’t really care if the newspaper is called The Crusader, The Spire, The SJW Post, or whatever. But what I do care about is that nobody in the administration has the cajones to stand up against this madness. There is a glaring lack of leadership in Fenwick. It's a student run organization. Is the administration supposed to tell them what to do? That would be a bad look and never work. Once we announce the nickname isn't going to change, we can all exhale and go back to watching Fox News and monitoring border crossings.
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Post by HC1843 on Feb 3, 2018 10:33:31 GMT -5
I don’t really care if the newspaper is called The Crusader, The Spire, The SJW Post, or whatever. But what I do care about is that nobody in the administration has the cajones to stand up against this madness. There is a glaring lack of leadership in Fenwick. Wow, we agree on something. I would hope that if the school follows suit that the rational amongst us would cease all donations to the college, accompanied by a letter to the President eloquently stating same. Cheers.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 3, 2018 10:46:23 GMT -5
Also unsubscribe to all the email chatter we get from holy cross
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Post by hcnation on Feb 3, 2018 10:50:33 GMT -5
I don’t really care if the newspaper is called The Crusader, The Spire, The SJW Post, or whatever. But what I do care about is that nobody in the administration has the cajones to stand up against this madness. There is a glaring lack of leadership in Fenwick. It's a student run organization. Is the administration supposed to tell them what to do? That would be a bad look and never work. Once we announce the nickname isn't going to change, we can all exhale and go back to watching Fox News and monitoring border crossings. Is the sword staying too?
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