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Post by rgs318 on Feb 3, 2018 10:50:39 GMT -5
'The Spire' why not the plural? symbolism or just grammar?? Perhaps it is singular ("Spire) because they feel they - like a spire - have only "one point" to make with the change.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 3, 2018 11:20:39 GMT -5
Not sure. Interesting now that most rational people realize that the fix isn't in and the Crusader name is going to stay, they are probably going to pour all of their venom into worrying about the logo. It sort of ruins the narrative that the PC police were going to win this battle and that the fix was in and the nickname was going to be gone.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 3, 2018 11:24:39 GMT -5
Not sure. Interesting now that most rational people realize that the fix isn't in and the Crusader name is going to stay, they are probably going to pour all of their venom into worrying about the logo. It sort of ruins the narrative that the PC police were going to win this battle and that the fix was in and the nickname was going to be gone. Has there been some HC announcement about the Crusader nickname?
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Post by sader1998 on Feb 3, 2018 11:37:29 GMT -5
My two cents: It's up to the students running the newspaper if they want to change its name. I believe that both sides of name-change debate have merit. Where I take umbrage is that the newspaper name change issue seems to have been instigated by a letter last year signed by 50 faculty. To me, that's undue pressure on impressionable students. As a college professor (not at HC), that does not sit well with me.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 3, 2018 12:08:34 GMT -5
Smoke?
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 3, 2018 12:23:09 GMT -5
My two cents: It's up to the students running the newspaper if they want to change its name. I believe that both sides of name-change debate have merit. Where I take umbrage is that the newspaper name change issue seems to have been instigated by a letter last year signed by 50 faculty. To me, that's undue pressure on impressionable students. As a college professor (not at HC), that does not sit well with me. As a professor emeritus (not at HC), I agree. I wonder if any of the professors who signed that letter ever actually attend any "Crusader" athletic events?
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 3, 2018 12:38:33 GMT -5
And here's the best news! Long, lost poster, Sarasota, posted his thoughts on the press release site of the on-line "The Crusader" (soon to be "The Spire"). Bet you can't guess which side of the debate he is on.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 3, 2018 12:41:46 GMT -5
Glad to hear from Sarasota...whatever side he has chosen.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 3, 2018 12:50:31 GMT -5
I know you aren't serious but since he can't post here, as a service to him, let me share with you his thoughts: And, in response to one of my 1970 Classmates who wrote, in part: Sarasota said: Miss him yet?
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 3, 2018 12:54:33 GMT -5
Not so much after reading that.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 3, 2018 13:09:30 GMT -5
I think he's making an end run, crashing the Board of Trustees meeting today, and petitioning the group to change our mascot/nickname/moniker from "Crusaders" to "Atheists". Instead of the knight with the sword and shield he'd have a bitter old man waving law suit papers
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Post by efg72 on Feb 3, 2018 13:23:14 GMT -5
If you go to the mobile edition of the Telegram there is a cartoon about the name change with PC arrows flying at the Crusader. Since I haven’t seen other cartoons posted on the site I figured it might be against the rules.
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Post by sader1998 on Feb 3, 2018 13:36:45 GMT -5
My two cents: It's up to the students running the newspaper if they want to change its name. I believe that both sides of name-change debate have merit. Where I take umbrage is that the newspaper name change issue seems to have been instigated by a letter last year signed by 50 faculty. To me, that's undue pressure on impressionable students. As a college professor (not at HC), that does not sit well with me. Here is a link to the faculty letter in question last year that apparently initiated the public debate about the newspaper's name change: theholycrosscrusader.com/2017/02/24/letter-to-the-editors-the-crusader-tradition/
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 3, 2018 13:49:31 GMT -5
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Post by beaven302 on Feb 3, 2018 14:31:01 GMT -5
The faculty letter says: "Holy Cross seeks to build a community marked by freedom, mutual respect, and civility." How about some respect for the history and traditions of the college and the feelings of alumni who want to retain the Crusade name for the athletic teams.
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 3, 2018 14:51:04 GMT -5
This is my 40th reunion year, and will also mark the 41st consecutive year that I have made a donation to Holy Cross. If the Crusader is kicked to the curb, my donation will be $1.00.
I think an avalanche of token donations to this year's Holy Cross Fund will get more attention than will "missing" checks from past donors.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 3, 2018 14:55:29 GMT -5
I thought we were to hear today about our Crusader?
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 3, 2018 15:00:53 GMT -5
The BoT is to make their decision today at their meeting. However, due to the controversial nature of the subject, I support the idea of a prior poster that they will take their time in order to have the wording of the announcement, whichever way it goes, to be "just right." There are going to be unhappy people no matter what they decide. Their goal will be to try to minimize that unhappiness and convey not just the decision but the rationale. That could mean this takes another year or two before we hear anything.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 3, 2018 15:03:13 GMT -5
The BoT is to make their decision today at their meeting. However, due to the controversial nature of the subject, I support the idea of a prior poster that they will take their time in order to have the wording of the announcement, whichever way it goes, to be "just right." There are going to be unhappy people no matter what they decide. Their goal will be to try to minimize that unhappiness and convey not just the decision but the rationale. That could mean this takes another year or two before we hear anything. It is sad to think that, based on HC's track record, this is so believable.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 3, 2018 15:32:36 GMT -5
This is my 40th reunion year, and will also mark the 41st consecutive year that I have made a donation to Holy Cross. If the Crusader is kicked to the curb, my donation will be $1.00. I think an avalanche of token donations to this year's Holy Cross Fund will get more attention than will "missing" checks from past donors. Good idea, Ignutz. Like many here, I have donated every year since my graduation but will want to do something if I don’t like the decision. I think the $1 donation makes the point well. I work for a matching gift company so I’ll only have to donate $0.50.
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Post by Tom on Feb 3, 2018 15:45:59 GMT -5
This is my 40th reunion year, and will also mark the 41st consecutive year that I have made a donation to Holy Cross. If the Crusader is kicked to the curb, my donation will be $1.00. I think an avalanche of token donations to this year's Holy Cross Fund will get more attention than will "missing" checks from past donors. Good idea, Ignutz. Like many here, I have donated every year since my graduation but will want to do something if I don’t like the decision. I think the $1 donation makes the point well. I work for a matching gift company so I’ll only have to donate $0.50. I'm not sure which makes a bigger statement. The school is so proud of its percentage of alumni donors. That also gets calculated into things like US News & World Report rankings. They will definitely notice missing donors. -------------------------------- I heard that the newspaper name change made the channel 5, Boston news.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 3, 2018 15:53:07 GMT -5
I suspect you are missing another possibility, Tom. With the change of the name/mascot Crusader, the College can expect an influx of donations both in numbers and totals, from all those alums and faculty members who don't give a dime now because of the offensive nature of the mascot and will now happily make donations that will more than offset the few who would be upset by a change.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 3, 2018 15:54:39 GMT -5
The BoT is to make their decision today at their meeting. However, due to the controversial nature of the subject, I support the idea of a prior poster that they will take their time in order to have the wording of the announcement, whichever way it goes, to be "just right." There are going to be unhappy people no matter what they decide. Their goal will be to try to minimize that unhappiness and convey not just the decision but the rationale. That could mean this takes another year or two before we hear anything. Sometimes when the fix is in we hear that the authorities have the letter already written, even before they hear all the arguments or gather all the facts...........
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 3, 2018 16:27:41 GMT -5
I'm not convinced the "fix is in."
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 3, 2018 16:52:38 GMT -5
I suspect you are missing another possibility, Tom. With the change of the name/mascot Crusader, the College can expect an influx of donations both in numbers and totals, from all those alums and faculty members who don't give a dime now because of the offensive nature of the mascot and will now happily make donations that will more than offset the few who would be upset by a change. I VERY HIGHLY doubt that there will be enough now "happy " people to offset those who will be offended and dissatisfied.
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