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Post by Tom on Feb 7, 2018 11:09:28 GMT -5
Likely as innocent as being in a Super Bowl pool or buying some squares. Probably a violation, but you might as well round up athletes from 350 other D-1 schools and from all the D-2 and D-3 programs as well. And the NAIA (if it still exists), the NJCAA, etc., etc., etc. Not speaking to what may or may not have happened at HC, but in terms of Super Bowl squares, that is a violation
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Post by cmo on Feb 7, 2018 11:46:47 GMT -5
Yes, years ago Northwestern foootball got in minor trouble for running march madness brackets.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 7, 2018 11:49:38 GMT -5
(Again, NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS SITUATION, WHATEVER IT IS)
Rigging the squares seen as another way to pay off athletes? Geez, I think the NCAA could come up with better things to do with its time than research wacky scenarios to break rules.
Regardless, and most important: I'm sure that the athletes are warned 'bout this sort of thing, so if someone, somewhere did that, they have to face the consequences.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 7, 2018 11:52:09 GMT -5
I hope the rumors that I’m hearing are not true. Why tease ?
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 7, 2018 11:59:44 GMT -5
I hope the Holy Cross Athletic Dept follows the advice of Warren Buffet on corporate problems in the business world:
“Get it right; get it fast; get it out; and get it over!”
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Post by mulledy98 on Feb 7, 2018 12:04:41 GMT -5
Not just squares, but fantasy football, DraftKings, etc. All this is prohibited by NCAA.
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Post by Ray on Feb 7, 2018 12:09:05 GMT -5
No new reporting here, but Jen Toland's picked up the "statement" from HC:
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Post by crusader12 on Feb 7, 2018 12:23:29 GMT -5
IMO, more likely that this involves player(s) doing something that the NCAA prohibits; e.g., The NCAA summer league rules prohibit more than two players from the same school playing on the same summer league team. And the leagues themselves have to be NCAA sanctioned. Another example of a potential NCAA rules violation would be taking summer employment offered by an alum/booster of the school, where the summer job is a no-show job. We got admonished just yesterday by Dean Wormer for engaging in rumor-spreading/speculation on this board. That said, based on what I'm hearing, you're way off base here. Best to wait for actual info to come out. Then what is the news so we don't have to speculate? This is a fan board!!! We don't need a babysitter telling us what we can or cannot interpret from a vague article.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 7, 2018 12:28:59 GMT -5
This "interim suspension" makes it appear that one is "guilty until proven innocent?" That is not how it is supposed to work in courts, but with the NCAA...well, we know that story.
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Post by Ray on Feb 7, 2018 12:33:35 GMT -5
Then what is the news so we don't have to speculate? This is a fan board!!! We don't need a babysitter telling us what we can or cannot interpret from a vague article. I don't know that my info is any better than phreek's (or anyone else's)... I just know it doesn't match the scope of his speculation. Mine sounds more similar to what BringBackCaro said, i.e. "I hope the rumors that I’m hearing are not true." Regardless, I certainly don't trust my info enough to post it publicly with my name on it... which is the standard that Dean Wormer has set for this board. Sorry, honestly not trying to tease anyone. But if the news is really significant, that's all the more reason to handle it with care.
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Post by Ray on Feb 7, 2018 12:34:55 GMT -5
This "interim suspension" makes it appear that one is "guilty until proven innocent?" That is now how it is supposed to work in courts, but with the NCAA...well, we know that story. Yeah, I think this is common practice with the NCAA/gestapo. Schools/programs can get in more trouble for knowingly using ineligible players after the fact... so if there's reason to believe someone is or should be ineligible, you suspend them until it's cleared up. It is kind of nice that, as a group, we aren't fully versed in the chapter and verse of NCAA investigation procedures. Let's hope that isn't coming to an end here.
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Post by Tom on Feb 7, 2018 12:39:03 GMT -5
Probably reading too much into this, but I'm way too curious right now
Reasonable to assume there is more than one athlete involved. Toland's tweet from this morning's statement is clearly plural.
I am also going to assume that it is not a senior from a fall sport. You can't really suspend someone from team activities that has no team activities left.
I'm thinking team activities includes dressing for a game, so we can probably confirm/eliminate mens and women's hoopsters tonight. Same for M&W hockey and lacrosse this weekend
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Post by Tom on Feb 7, 2018 12:43:17 GMT -5
This "interim suspension" makes it appear that one is "guilty until proven innocent?" That is not how it is supposed to work in courts, but with the NCAA...well, we know that story. I believe police are frequently held to that same standard
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Post by hchoops on Feb 7, 2018 12:44:19 GMT -5
Something will probably leak before the weekend
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Post by ncaam on Feb 7, 2018 12:46:43 GMT -5
The leaks are out there. I just hope it’s the leaked story and no more.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 7, 2018 12:49:02 GMT -5
This "interim suspension" makes it appear that one is "guilty until proven innocent?" That is now how it is supposed to work in courts, but with the NCAA...well, we know that story. Yeah, I think this is common practice with the NCAA/gestapo. Schools/programs can get in more trouble for knowingly using ineligible players after the fact... so if there's reason to believe someone is or should be ineligible, you suspend them until it's cleared up. It is kind of nice that, as a group, we aren't fully versed in the chapter and verse of NCAA investigation procedures. Let's hope that isn't coming to an end here. How can we blame the NCAA and HC without knowing the facts? I wouldn’t be surprised if the players made admissions.
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Post by lou on Feb 7, 2018 12:49:46 GMT -5
The way this is written, it's more than one athlete, and more than one team
"Holy Cross would not identify the names of the athletes involved or the teams on which they play"
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Post by Ray on Feb 7, 2018 12:53:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I think this is common practice with the NCAA/gestapo. Schools/programs can get in more trouble for knowingly using ineligible players after the fact... so if there's reason to believe someone is or should be ineligible, you suspend them until it's cleared up. It is kind of nice that, as a group, we aren't fully versed in the chapter and verse of NCAA investigation procedures. Let's hope that isn't coming to an end here. How can we blame the NCAA and HC without knowing the facts? I wouldn’t be surprised if the players made admissions. I'm not blaming anyone. It seems clear that HC suspended these players, not the NCAA. I was answering the question of why you would do that in a "guilty until proven innocent" context. All I'm saying is that practice is not uncommon around the NCAA.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 7, 2018 13:01:50 GMT -5
Sometimes acting honorably (i.e. complying to the letter of the law and suspending the kids) is not the fair thing. Let's see what comes out.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 7, 2018 13:06:15 GMT -5
No school would dare suspend a kid without the facts in place. HC has too many law grads who would take the case otherwise.
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Post by lou on Feb 7, 2018 13:08:35 GMT -5
They are in school, suspended from their teams
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Post by deep Purple on Feb 7, 2018 13:27:16 GMT -5
Hopefully it’s members of the golf and swim teams
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Post by classof83 on Feb 7, 2018 13:51:11 GMT -5
[b This is interesting. I was at Jersey Shore Summer League game a few years ago and there were multiple players from NJIT listed on the roster of one of the teams. i admit the roster had about 30 players which told me that not all the kids played in each game, but I thought at the time that this seemed a little strange. PP. Reprise for us the top 2-3 criteria you listed for evaluating adnp’s job performance, por favor. Lucky for him wins and losses was not among them. Without having seen his contract, I said in the past, based on the points of emphasis in the vacancy announcement, that I believed the college emphasized athlete performance in the classroom over wins and losses. That is, a team's record could be .500, and the team's athletes do well in the classroom, that's okay. A team that has a .900 record but the athletes on that team are flunking out, or being put on academic probation, that's not okay. That said, its highly unlikely, IMO, that an investigation into violation of NCAA rules is looking at what happened in the classroom. IMO, more likely that this involves player(s) doing something that the NCAA prohibits; e.g., The NCAA summer league rules prohibit more than two players from the same school playing on the same summer league team. And the leagues themselves have to be NCAA sanctioned. Another example of a potential NCAA rules violation would be taking summer employment offered by an alum/booster of the school, where the summer job is a no-show job.
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Post by Tom on Feb 7, 2018 14:19:04 GMT -5
No school would dare suspend a kid without the facts in place. HC has too many law grads who would take the case otherwise. They absolutely would. Not much liability since not being allowed to play in a game isn't much of an injury to compensate. Tossing the kid from school would be another issue since HC promised to educate the kid and being deprived of an education is another story.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 7, 2018 14:50:20 GMT -5
Haven’t heard any of the rumors (feel free to PM me with them!) but HC Compliance did tweet this on Friday night:
HolyCross Compliance @hcompliance We hope everyone enjoys the Super Bowl this Sunday, but remember sports wagering is a NCAA violation... Don't bet on it!
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